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Post by ~MnM~ on Dec 4, 2013 14:33:51 GMT -6
Service animals or specialty guard dogs of a certain size should be registered and the owners securely bonded and insured. Other than that no one needs a 40, 50 or 60 lb. dog of any breed. Lets face it a 10 or 15 lb. dog isn't physically capable of serious injury or death of the average adult human being.There are laws against owning and keeping other predatory animals dangerous to humans why are dogs any different? This is where I'm calling BS. Ever seen a chihuahua do physical damage to someone? Ever seen a toy poodle so aggressive that it literally not let anyone near it's owner? I have. For being little dogs those are vicious little breeds. And don't give me the it's how they are raised crap (yes I do believe this is the case, in most cases), the chihuahua came from a home surrounded by young children that did nothing to it (this was my best friend's dog at the time and I was over there quite often)...it was not abused in anyway, but you can bet your a$$ it was the meanest little dog I've ever seen. And the poodle, honestly she was a stray so I can't tell you her origins but she was just as mean, and wouldn't let you within a foot of my mother. And if you were lucky enough to make it within that foot, mom had to be holding on to her otherwise she'd try and rip your arm off. So don't give that crap 10-15 lb dogs aren't physically capable of doing serious injury. Where are you getting your information stiggy? Yes they certainly can be JADED! Seems more so as in the case of your mom's poodle..when you don't know the dogs history as to how they were treated beforehand...some can unfortunately never be trained to behave, so then unfortunately they become lost causes. More so male dogs that haven't been neutered tend to show more of a dominance to their space, and also of their owners. I was talking to our mailman here about coming in contact with loose dogs, or having to deliver the mail at homes where dogs might be chained up where he'd have to deliver..and he told me during this conversation that over the almost 30 years of having his mail route that he's been bitten twice, and it IS the little aggressive dogs that he mainly has been in any conflict with. Our little dog Otis here would love to tear him up when he happens to be delivering the mail and Otis is outside. Even though I am right there and try to control his protective mode, and even though the mailman will give him a treat...makes no difference. They go into this protective mode to protect their property, and they just can't understand WTH this guy keeps coming here daily for, lol. Now if our mailman is on the other side of the counter in the Post Office when I go in there, Otis will go crazy to try to lick him to death...go figure. They don't call these little breeds "ankle bitters" for nothin! M
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Post by ~MnM~ on Dec 4, 2013 15:01:21 GMT -6
Well, there goes most farm animals and MOST dog breeds. Just because some people are complete idiots and can't control their animals doesn't mean those that are responsible should be punished. Or better yet, those animals that you seem to think should be rounded up and done away with in a mass genocide. I own Great Danes. Some of the largest yet gentlest, most docile dogs you'll ever meet. I can physically control ALL my dogs and I'm a five foot woman. It has nothing to do with the animals. It's the people that own them. I cannot believe it's so hard for some people to understand this. That's like saying we should ban all motor vehicles because some people drive drunk and kill people as a result. LAB I totally do agree with your statement regarding people being IDIOTS, because I am certain that with being an ACO that you do have to endure contact with the likes of, more then you care to. And you are correct that your size doesn't matter, you are trained to know how to handle these animals. Case in point my daughter lil M has worked in the vet clinic forever it seems, she wanted us to adopt an adult Rottweiler that some IDIOT dropped off at her farm house during the night. This dog was chipped, but when searching out the owner the response was, "oh we got rid of him along time ago, and gave him to someone else". Yeah, and they were the ones probably who dumped this poor dog off out in the country too, more then likely...GRRR!!!! Sad fact is though, how to prove that, you just can't. Anyway...lil M brought this Rott here with our grand daughter. She "tested" him and his reaction when giving him a rawhide, and then having us try to take it away from him. He showed aggression, and our daughter then body slammed this dog on the floor. Now...she isn't any huge woman either..and we about crapped when she did that too. Case in point YES women can control any breed of dog if trained to do so. This dog blew it, and failed the test. It was quite sad though but he was just one of "those" dogs when you'd look at him and make eye contact, he was just quite empty. Needless to say he did end up in a Rott rescue home, and did after being trained to how much he could ... get re-homed. Now LAB...my question to you here though...did you not get the message yesterday to return my phone call when I called to make a complaint of this German Shepherd running loose, again? I am not a person who tries to cause or make any trouble, but this is a problem that seems to be ongoing here in our neighborhood. FM stated that he's also seen that same dog around his block, and yesterday yet another neighbor phoned in this dog running at large around here. I guess what I don't quite understand is what is your job description actually? I don't get the set-up at City Hall either because when a person phones there then all of the extention's are automatically named which extention the caller might need to reach, all BUT you ACO'S. Why aren't you guys also an option made available for a caller to reach? Seems strange in away that when anyone calls to reach one of you that we get a clerk down there who inturn takes all the information, area phone number, etc...then states that they will have to get one of you guys to return our calls?? I'm telling you this dog roams around this area it seems during the morning hours around 10 am ..until around noon. Couldn't you guys patrol around here until he is caught, then solve our problem? Are you not out on any patrol at all...or are you guys only on call, I'm confused? Now, if my daughter wasn't so busy with her schedule...I'd have her catch that dog and then call you guys to come and get him...perhaps she can? Please do catch this dog and inform the owner that he is not within the law......thank you...M
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Post by Problem Dog on Dec 4, 2013 16:29:25 GMT -6
Well, there goes most farm animals and MOST dog breeds. Just because some people are complete idiots and can't control their animals doesn't mean those that are responsible should be punished. Or better yet, those animals that you seem to think should be rounded up and done away with in a mass genocide. I own Great Danes. Some of the largest yet gentlest, most docile dogs you'll ever meet. I can physically control ALL my dogs and I'm a five foot woman. It has nothing to do with the animals. It's the people that own them. I cannot believe it's so hard for some people to understand this. That's like saying we should ban all motor vehicles because some people drive drunk and kill people as a result. LAB I totally do agree with your statement regarding people being IDIOTS, because I am certain that with being an ACO that you do have to endure contact with the likes of, more then you care to. And you are correct that your size doesn't matter, you are trained to know how to handle these animals. Case in point my daughter lil M has worked in the vet clinic forever it seems, she wanted us to adopt an adult Rottweiler that some IDIOT dropped off at her farm house during the night. This dog was chipped, but when searching out the owner the response was, "oh we got rid of him along time ago, and gave him to someone else". Yeah, and they were the ones probably who dumped this poor dog off out in the country too, more then likely...GRRR!!!! Sad fact is though, how to prove that, you just can't. Anyway...lil M brought this Rott here with our grand daughter. She "tested" him and his reaction when giving him a rawhide, and then having us try to take it away from him. He showed aggression, and our daughter then body slammed this dog on the floor. Now...she isn't any huge woman either..and we about crapped when she did that too. Case in point YES women can control any breed of dog if trained to do so. This dog blew it, and failed the test. It was quite sad though but he was just one of "those" dogs when you'd look at him and make eye contact, he was just quite empty. Needless to say he did end up in a Rott rescue home, and did after being trained to how much he could ... get re-homed. Now LAB...my question to you here though...did you not get the message yesterday to return my phone call when I called to make a complaint of this German Shepherd running loose, again? I am not a person who tries to cause or make any trouble, but this is a problem that seems to be ongoing here in our neighborhood. FM stated that he's also seen that same dog around his block, and yesterday yet another neighbor phoned in this dog running at large around here. I guess what I don't quite understand is what is your job description actually? I don't get the set-up at City Hall either because when a person phones there then all of the extention's are automatically named which extention the caller might need to reach, all BUT you ACO'S. Why aren't you guys also an option made available for a caller to reach? Seems strange in away that when anyone calls to reach one of you that we get a clerk down there who inturn takes all the information, area phone number, etc...then states that they will have to get one of you guys to return our calls?? I'm telling you this dog roams around this area it seems during the morning hours around 10 am ..until around noon. Couldn't you guys patrol around here until he is caught, then solve our problem? Are you not out on any patrol at all...or are you guys only on call, I'm confused? Now, if my daughter wasn't so busy with her schedule...I'd have her catch that dog and then call you guys to come and get him...perhaps she can? Please do catch this dog and inform the owner that he is not within the law......thank you...M This dog has been giving me the slip for about a week now. I believe I was the one that returned your call the other day when it was roaming near Lundy? I spotted the dog, but it would not stop nor come to me. I thought I'd watch and follow to see if perhaps it would lead me to it's home. Ended up losing it between houses. I did get a message that the dog was running again yesterday, and this time when I went to look, was unable to locate it all together. I also did not see the small terrier you photographed. Is that dog always with the Shepherd? As far as why they have always had us return phone calls, I have no idea. I always assumed because, unlike most of the people up there, we don't stay in the office for an extended amount of time and are generally out patrolling or at the shelter itself. So when the ladies at City Hall take the info, they call us and let us know. It's been that way for six years. And yes, we do patrol, and I sure can scout that area for you guys in the morning to see if I can find this dog. Sounds to me that it does have an owner if it's seen running ONLY between those hours. Likely they just open the door and let it 'go' and let it in when it comes home. It's ridiculous. If you do happen to have your daughter capture the dog, call right away and one of us will be right out to pick it up to impound it. Then the owners HAVE to come forth and pay the fines to reclaim it. And if they don't? Then maybe it will go to a home that actually takes proper care of it. It's a shame... but generally works out better for the dog. -LAB
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Post by Family Man on Dec 4, 2013 16:50:04 GMT -6
I didn't call, but my neighbor did. I agree, M. I have to walk with a cane now more often than not and put my three year old on the bus in the morning and off in the afternoon. I couldn't fight off a dog if I had to, except to be able to swing my cane at it. We will keep reporting him every time we see him. First of all I am so sorry to hear of your condition FM...you should call Butthead for a massage, it would do you much good. God, I hate to hear this...and I wish you all the best and hopefully a great recuperation. So, FM I am glad to hear that your neighbor did call, and glad to hear that you'll continue to call. We don't know this dog, or what it would do to any child or other animal, and it is ILLEGAL for this dog to keep on running around this neighborhood. Hopefully one of the ACO's will catch him and inform the owner, if there is one that is...that he needs to be kept chained, and that neighbors around here are very concerned about this situation. I was gone from here all morning and just returned...so if he was again roaming our neighborhood I didn't have the chance to see him. Hopefully if you or any of the other neighbors did then it would have gotten reported. Thank you.......... M Thanks for the kind words, M. I'm having another surgery soon, hopefully this one will work.
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Post by greekgod on Dec 4, 2013 16:51:01 GMT -6
MnM,
People bring up all kinds of issues concerning, big dog vs. small dog, "oh he/she won't bite", "how about the cats digging up my flower beds" blah, blah, blah.
What we do have in Streator is a "leash law for dogs", and if you are not in compliance you should pay the fine.
Oh, and I've owned dogs big and small. A total of six. All were spayed or neutered, had rabies vaccinations, leased or fenced in.
The real deal is simple, just because I loved them and had no fear of them, doesn't mean I should expect you to.
Please do not make me or the city responsible for your dog.
g
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Post by ~MnM~ on Dec 5, 2013 8:31:20 GMT -6
LAB I totally do agree with your statement regarding people being IDIOTS, because I am certain that with being an ACO that you do have to endure contact with the likes of, more then you care to. And you are correct that your size doesn't matter, you are trained to know how to handle these animals. Case in point my daughter lil M has worked in the vet clinic forever it seems, she wanted us to adopt an adult Rottweiler that some IDIOT dropped off at her farm house during the night. This dog was chipped, but when searching out the owner the response was, "oh we got rid of him along time ago, and gave him to someone else". Yeah, and they were the ones probably who dumped this poor dog off out in the country too, more then likely...GRRR!!!! Sad fact is though, how to prove that, you just can't. Anyway...lil M brought this Rott here with our grand daughter. She "tested" him and his reaction when giving him a rawhide, and then having us try to take it away from him. He showed aggression, and our daughter then body slammed this dog on the floor. Now...she isn't any huge woman either..and we about crapped when she did that too. Case in point YES women can control any breed of dog if trained to do so. This dog blew it, and failed the test. It was quite sad though but he was just one of "those" dogs when you'd look at him and make eye contact, he was just quite empty. Needless to say he did end up in a Rott rescue home, and did after being trained to how much he could ... get re-homed. Now LAB...my question to you here though...did you not get the message yesterday to return my phone call when I called to make a complaint of this German Shepherd running loose, again? I am not a person who tries to cause or make any trouble, but this is a problem that seems to be ongoing here in our neighborhood. FM stated that he's also seen that same dog around his block, and yesterday yet another neighbor phoned in this dog running at large around here. I guess what I don't quite understand is what is your job description actually? I don't get the set-up at City Hall either because when a person phones there then all of the extention's are automatically named which extention the caller might need to reach, all BUT you ACO'S. Why aren't you guys also an option made available for a caller to reach? Seems strange in away that when anyone calls to reach one of you that we get a clerk down there who inturn takes all the information, area phone number, etc...then states that they will have to get one of you guys to return our calls?? I'm telling you this dog roams around this area it seems during the morning hours around 10 am ..until around noon. Couldn't you guys patrol around here until he is caught, then solve our problem? Are you not out on any patrol at all...or are you guys only on call, I'm confused? Now, if my daughter wasn't so busy with her schedule...I'd have her catch that dog and then call you guys to come and get him...perhaps she can? Please do catch this dog and inform the owner that he is not within the law......thank you...M This dog has been giving me the slip for about a week now. I believe I was the one that returned your call the other day when it was roaming near Lundy? I spotted the dog, but it would not stop nor come to me. I thought I'd watch and follow to see if perhaps it would lead me to it's home. Ended up losing it between houses. I did get a message that the dog was running again yesterday, and this time when I went to look, was unable to locate it all together. I also did not see the small terrier you photographed. Is that dog always with the Shepherd? As far as why they have always had us return phone calls, I have no idea. I always assumed because, unlike most of the people up there, we don't stay in the office for an extended amount of time and are generally out patrolling or at the shelter itself. So when the ladies at City Hall take the info, they call us and let us know. It's been that way for six years. And yes, we do patrol, and I sure can scout that area for you guys in the morning to see if I can find this dog. Sounds to me that it does have an owner if it's seen running ONLY between those hours. Likely they just open the door and let it 'go' and let it in when it comes home. It's ridiculous. If you do happen to have your daughter capture the dog, call right away and one of us will be right out to pick it up to impound it. Then the owners HAVE to come forth and pay the fines to reclaim it. And if they don't? Then maybe it will go to a home that actually takes proper care of it. It's a shame... but generally works out better for the dog. -LAB Yes LAB, that was me that you talked to on Monday when I was stuck in my car waiting for that dog to leave our block. I came into the house after seeing the dog head into FM's block then towards Lundy Street, and that's when you called. I am so glad that you are in pursuit of him, thank you so much, we down in this area do appreciate that alot. I did talk to the mailman and asked if he might know someone in the area who might own this dog and he told me that there is a male German Shepherd down on South Vermillion Street. Now, as far as the little terrier that was with him on Tuesday afternoon, I have never seen the two together until then. I have only seen this shepherd three times which of course in my opinion is three times to many, but I totally do agree like you surmise that the owner probably is letting him out to do his business, and then the dog does return....which yes, it total BVLLcrap!! Like I stated he has been seen around the same time daily between 10 am and noon. IF I had your phone number then I could call you and let you know where he was out and about at when I see him. Otherwise you could call up to the Post Office and they would have the mailman on this route call you. He would be able to tell you exactly the address where he does think that this shepherd is from. As far as having my daughter catch him she would if she did actually have the time. You know she is so busy with boarding, classes, and doggie day care, plus still working out at the vet clinic too as well. The only time that she would have would be over a weekend...and then neither of you ACO's are on duty, so that then presents a problem. So anyway hopefully you or the other ACO will be able to track him down. Thank you for the explanation regarding the set-up for you guys down at City Hall...that's understandable then. I am glad to learn that you guys are out on patrol. I do feel bad for this dog, which when I went out on my front porch to take that picture he didn't seem to care that I was even around. If these so-called irresponsible owners are found perhaps maybe they aren't all that bad in their treatment of him, but still though I know that you'll be able to make that assessment...and inform them of the law! Thank you again.............. M
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Post by ~MnM~ on Dec 5, 2013 8:34:59 GMT -6
First of all I am so sorry to hear of your condition FM...you should call Butthead for a massage, it would do you much good. God, I hate to hear this...and I wish you all the best and hopefully a great recuperation. So, FM I am glad to hear that your neighbor did call, and glad to hear that you'll continue to call. We don't know this dog, or what it would do to any child or other animal, and it is ILLEGAL for this dog to keep on running around this neighborhood. Hopefully one of the ACO's will catch him and inform the owner, if there is one that is...that he needs to be kept chained, and that neighbors around here are very concerned about this situation. I was gone from here all morning and just returned...so if he was again roaming our neighborhood I didn't have the chance to see him. Hopefully if you or any of the other neighbors did then it would have gotten reported. Thank you.......... M Thanks for the kind words, M. I'm having another surgery soon, hopefully this one will work. Aww FM I am so sorry to hear that you are going to have yet another surgery. God be with you when you do, and yes I pray that all corrects the issues that you are having to endure. Take care ............... M
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Post by ~MnM~ on Dec 5, 2013 8:36:56 GMT -6
MnM, People bring up all kinds of issues concerning, big dog vs. small dog, "oh he/she won't bite", "how about the cats digging up my flower beds" blah, blah, blah. What we do have in Streator is a "leash law for dogs", and if you are not in compliance you should pay the fine. Oh, and I've owned dogs big and small. A total of six. All were spayed or neutered, had rabies vaccinations, leased or fenced in. The real deal is simple, just because I loved them and had no fear of them, doesn't mean I should expect you to. Please do not make me or the city responsible for your dog. g Very well said GG............. my sentiments, exactly!!! M
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Post by chevypower on Dec 6, 2013 0:17:24 GMT -6
Yes I agree with what Greekgod said also (applaud) very well said.
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Post by Family Man on Dec 6, 2013 20:14:06 GMT -6
Thanks for the kind words, M. I'm having another surgery soon, hopefully this one will work. Aww FM I am so sorry to hear that you are going to have yet another surgery. God be with you when you do, and yes I pray that all corrects the issues that you are having to endure. Take care ............... M My neighbor (who also happens to be my Mother In Law) seen the dog again and called the ACO. She also followed the dog and knows who the owner is and where he lives. He lives on Vermillion. The ACO was notified. I have no idea if the owner was talked to or not, but it was reported and we know who the dog's owner is now. According to my MIL, the ACO told her, this guy has been cited before for letting his dog run at large.
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Post by davesez on Dec 8, 2013 6:56:23 GMT -6
So did. I read this right people should not have dogs 50 lbs on up if so crazy. I have a lab 7 months old 60 pounds big boy.
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Post by chevypower on Dec 8, 2013 19:44:00 GMT -6
It's not about the size davesez, it's about responsibility........................
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Post by davesez on Dec 10, 2013 13:12:37 GMT -6
I agree so many have dogs and don't take care of them the way they should.
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Post by dumdave on Dec 11, 2013 10:15:44 GMT -6
I got bit only once on the job. a dog had been barking at me for over an hour while I worked. Then I heard a strange noise and the dog had climbed the chain link fence to get into the yard I was in. ( and bit me.) A lady from where the dog came from denied it was hers. I radioed Animal Control. They came out, got the dog and put under "rabies watch". They called me a few days later to tell me it was not infected. Dog was put to sleep.
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Post by Family Man on Dec 12, 2013 21:17:08 GMT -6
My neighbors have been calling SPD to try to get the ACO over here to take care of the dog. They never show up. This dog went after one of my neighbor kids yesterday and chased my son tonight. I called the SPD and said I wanted to sign a complaint but she has yet to dispatch them. I have a scanner so I would know when she did. No cop has been here and no call back. How many more calls is it going to take? How many more children have to be chased into their homes when they are trying to get to their bus stop? Or in the case of my son, simply walking across the street to visit his grandparents? Are you going to wait until someone gets hurt?!?!?! Hey ACO and SPD!!!!! We have called to get this idiot to stop letting his dog run our neighborhood. DO SOMETHING!!! THIS DOG IS CHASING OUR CHILDREN AND GROWLING AT THEM!!!!!
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