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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 6:34:39 GMT -6
No but when you're power goes off and on, like when a sump pump is running and shutting off all day.... that is a surge of Electricity and those are what they will count as a spike/high peaks if you will, the smart meter already said that it measures the peaks and then they take the high side of it. It will cost a lot more if you are using a smart meter. In some states police are using electricity usage provided by these to raid peoples homes if they believe they're using too much electricity.. Orwellian I would say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by seaturtle43 in hostile forum on Feb 12, 2014 8:19:19 GMT -6
Lol *passes out the tin hats
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Post by northsider on Feb 12, 2014 9:00:21 GMT -6
No but when you're power goes off and on, like when a sump pump is running and shutting off all day.... that is a surge of Electricity and those are what they will count as a spike/high peaks if you will, the smart meter already said that it measures the peaks and then they take the high side of it. It will cost a lot more if you are using a smart meter. This is incorrect. You are billed by the kilowatt hour used not by your peaks in usage. A smart meter gives the electric company the ability to break your usage down by times of day instead of just looking at how much of a total you use each month. With this breakdown, they assign different rates they charge you based on overall demands on the system. When demand is at a peak. such as a hot summer afternoon, they will charge more than say in the middle of the night on that same day. If you want to run your AC at full blast, run your dishwasher, do a load of laundry, and turn every light on in your house during a peak demand time, it will cost more. It's up to you to adjust your usage or not use any electricity at all. It's not some big conspiracy, it's just a matter of suppy versus demand. When the demand for power is high, supply is low and the cost goes up. No conspiracy just capitalism.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 12, 2014 10:49:04 GMT -6
No but when you're power goes off and on, like when a sump pump is running and shutting off all day.... that is a surge of Electricity and those are what they will count as a spike/high peaks if you will, the smart meter already said that it measures the peaks and then they take the high side of it. It will cost a lot more if you are using a smart meter. Sorry, a large sump pump is a half horse........ Not hardly even enough to register, certainly will not raise your bill. We routinely start and stop 25 Hp motors without hitting demand.
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Post by super on Feb 12, 2014 11:26:44 GMT -6
No but when you're power goes off and on, like when a sump pump is running and shutting off all day.... that is a surge of Electricity and those are what they will count as a spike/high peaks if you will, the smart meter already said that it measures the peaks and then they take the high side of it. It will cost a lot more if you are using a smart meter. peak demand spikes are commercial accounts, always have been...be careful not to start 5 air conditioners at the same time lol
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Post by chevypower on Feb 12, 2014 13:16:10 GMT -6
No but when you're power goes off and on, like when a sump pump is running and shutting off all day.... that is a surge of Electricity and those are what they will count as a spike/high peaks if you will, the smart meter already said that it measures the peaks and then they take the high side of it. It will cost a lot more if you are using a smart meter. Sorry, a large sump pump is a half horse........ Not hardly even enough to register, certainly will not raise your bill. We routinely start and stop 25 Hp motors without hitting demand. I have to disagree, our lights will dim everytime it goes on and off (sump pump) that has to cost much more.
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Post by chevypower on Feb 12, 2014 13:18:57 GMT -6
No but when you're power goes off and on, like when a sump pump is running and shutting off all day.... that is a surge of Electricity and those are what they will count as a spike/high peaks if you will, the smart meter already said that it measures the peaks and then they take the high side of it. It will cost a lot more if you are using a smart meter. This is incorrect. You are billed by the kilowatt hour used not by your peaks in usage. A smart meter gives the electric company the ability to break your usage down by times of day instead of just looking at how much of a total you use each month. With this breakdown, they assign different rates they charge you based on overall demands on the system. When demand is at a peak. such as a hot summer afternoon, they will charge more than say in the middle of the night on that same day. If you want to run your AC at full blast, run your dishwasher, do a load of laundry, and turn every light on in your house during a peak demand time, it will cost more. It's up to you to adjust your usage or not use any electricity at all. It's not some big conspiracy, it's just a matter of suppy versus demand. When the demand for power is high, supply is low and the cost goes up. No conspiracy just capitalism. Yes they take the highest peaks, like I said. Will cost more money plain and simple.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 12, 2014 14:10:17 GMT -6
Sorry, a large sump pump is a half horse........ Not hardly even enough to register, certainly will not raise your bill. We routinely start and stop 25 Hp motors without hitting demand. I have to disagree, our lights will dim everytime it goes on and off (sump pump) that has to cost much more. That's a problem with your house wiring, not a large draw....... Fair warning.
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Post by northsider on Feb 12, 2014 14:40:24 GMT -6
This is incorrect. You are billed by the kilowatt hour used not by your peaks in usage. A smart meter gives the electric company the ability to break your usage down by times of day instead of just looking at how much of a total you use each month. With this breakdown, they assign different rates they charge you based on overall demands on the system. When demand is at a peak. such as a hot summer afternoon, they will charge more than say in the middle of the night on that same day. If you want to run your AC at full blast, run your dishwasher, do a load of laundry, and turn every light on in your house during a peak demand time, it will cost more. It's up to you to adjust your usage or not use any electricity at all. It's not some big conspiracy, it's just a matter of suppy versus demand. When the demand for power is high, supply is low and the cost goes up. No conspiracy just capitalism. Yes they take the highest peaks, like I said. Will cost more money plain and simple. The smart meter doesn't take your peak usage to determine your electric rate, the meter only allows the power company to determine what time of day you use electricity. If your pump turns on during a peak billing time, you will be charged more than if it turns on during a non peak billing time. The amount of money you are talking about for a 1/2 hp sump pump in rush current is penny's a month even during peaking billing times. Sniper is right, if your lights are dimming when a sump pump kicks on you have issues with your house wiring that probably should be addressed.
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Post by northsider on Feb 12, 2014 14:44:10 GMT -6
This is incorrect. You are billed by the kilowatt hour used not by your peaks in usage. A smart meter gives the electric company the ability to break your usage down by times of day instead of just looking at how much of a total you use each month. With this breakdown, they assign different rates they charge you based on overall demands on the system. When demand is at a peak. such as a hot summer afternoon, they will charge more than say in the middle of the night on that same day. If you want to run your AC at full blast, run your dishwasher, do a load of laundry, and turn every light on in your house during a peak demand time, it will cost more. It's up to you to adjust your usage or not use any electricity at all. It's not some big conspiracy, it's just a matter of suppy versus demand. When the demand for power is high, supply is low and the cost goes up. No conspiracy just capitalism. Yes they take the highest peaks, like I said. Will cost more money plain and simple. The smart meter doesn't take your peak usage to determine your electric rate, the meter only allows the power company to determine what time of day you use electricity. If your pump turns on during a peak billing time, you will be charged more than if it turns on during a non peak billing time. The amount of money you are talking about for a 1/2 hp sump pump in rush current is penny's a month even during peaking billing times. Sniper is right, if your lights are dimming when a sump pump kicks on you have issues with your house wiring that probably should be addressed.
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Post by dive61364 on Feb 12, 2014 18:52:57 GMT -6
comed already charges us for peak time electrical demands without a smart meter. comed recommends you do your laundry at night to save money the hot summer months when your air conditioning is running.
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Post by chevypower on Feb 12, 2014 23:00:19 GMT -6
I have to disagree, our lights will dim everytime it goes on and off (sump pump) that has to cost much more. That's a problem with your house wiring, not a large draw....... Fair warning. Well thank you Sniper, I will check my wiring and see if everything is up to code.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 13, 2014 7:54:40 GMT -6
Pay special attention to the connections on that circuit, loose or corroded will probably be the culprit.
A 1/3 Hp pump should draw somewhere around 7 Amps, and a 1/2 Hp should be around 10.
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Post by super on Feb 13, 2014 8:25:04 GMT -6
(minimum) wire size to furnace, fridge, washer is #12 AWG wire, that's the standard...w/ 20amp breaker
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Post by dumdave on Feb 13, 2014 10:32:42 GMT -6
(minimum) wire size to furnace, fridge, washer is #12 AWG wire, that's the standard...w/ 20amp breaker I got tired of my contractors going short just over the cost of #14 vs #12 wire. We finally just spec. a rewire to use all #12 wire.
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