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Post by Anonymous on Oct 16, 2013 8:34:18 GMT -6
Not everyone is strapped. The city has plenty of money to spend $138,000 for a fountain, but not enough to take care of these problems downtown. The bar owners sure are making a lot of money serving people into oblivion. The rest of us are just trying to survive. I appreciate your concern for my taxes. Don't worry, I'll get them paid. I didn't say a word about your taxes. I can throw a rock out my window and probably hit a house that hasn't paid their taxes.
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Post by job on Oct 16, 2013 9:00:42 GMT -6
Don't worry, I'll get them paid. A lot of people in at least two different states have heard that refrain.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 16, 2013 9:37:51 GMT -6
You got it job, I'll be paying off my debts from the Majestic for a long, long time to come.
With so many over-served, staggering, passing out, open container carrying and smashing, exposing, urinating, and brawling bar customers in the area, I was unable to pay all the bills, much less payments on the home equity loan I took, so that I could take a chance on Streator and open a long time closed down movie palace.
It is just a result of my lack of any business sense.
I am working hard to try to pay for it all now though.
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Post by dragonfly on Oct 16, 2013 11:04:43 GMT -6
Most bars make their money by having illegal gambling. The sales from alcohol are just gravy.
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Post by willy on Oct 16, 2013 11:27:19 GMT -6
It is just a result of my lack of any business sense.
I'll never criticize anyone for trying to make a go out of it Kyle. But you want to blame everybody and anybody for your problems in life. You failed in business in Arizona, and lost folks their money and yours. You come to Streator and fail with the Majestic and I really don't know the reason for that, but you do. Now you admit a "lack of any business sense", yet you tried to get another business person to invest his money into another idea of yours. But that was our fault it didn't occur. I've never heard the investor complain that the business didn't materialize. Just you. Maybe you should take a hard look at yourself and evaluate what maybe you are doing wrong. Take care of yourself and worry less about others that seem to bother you more than those surrounding you. Just my opinion.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 16, 2013 13:45:00 GMT -6
You should know very well that it was only a few weeks after opening the Majestic that I started complaining that the same problems that still go on today were hurting business.
I never stopped complaining about these problems, but there was never any acknowledgement of them or any talk of any solutions.
In 2011 when I wanted to hear candidates ideas to correct these problems, you were part of the group saying that cleaning up Streator and its image should not be politicized and stopped me from having the event in the park.
You just kept giving the bar owners your yearly rubber stamp approval to go ahead and keep over-serving people to the point that they are pulling their pants down in front of kids and laying each other out in our streets.
Saturday night's mugging was in full view of the front of the Majestic.
Nice environment to try to run a family oriented business around, don't ya think?
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Post by job on Oct 16, 2013 16:25:15 GMT -6
I am working hard to try to pay for it all now though. You can't be working too hard; you are on this forum all of the time.
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Post by Family Man on Oct 16, 2013 17:04:20 GMT -6
I am working hard to try to pay for it all now though. You can't be working too hard; you are on this forum all of the time.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 17, 2013 5:18:47 GMT -6
I looked out the window last night to see the bar owner leaving and noticed his shirt.
"Alcoholics don't go to meetings, they go to Carbos"
I was already pretty sure that they were a bunch of alcoholics, but wasn't going to call them that.
However, if the bar owner is going to call his customers alcoholics, the rest of us might as well too.
They admit that they have a problem but refuse to get help for it.
FOT, maybe you should try going to a meeting, that might be what a good citizen would do.
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Post by father of two on Oct 17, 2013 6:19:11 GMT -6
Sorry to disappoint you Kyle, but I don't drink.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 17, 2013 6:30:59 GMT -6
Good for you that you do not drink.
While you are there visiting your good buddy, supporting his business that over-serves to so many customers, could you please try to get them to not block the fire hydrant, you included?
I see your attacks against me for talking about the problems and questioning my citizenship, while you support someone that continues to over-serve and let customers do the things they do despite our laws, as being very despicable.
These problems are really hurting our community.
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Post by rocket on Oct 17, 2013 6:46:37 GMT -6
You know why bartenders don't cut off people who are drunk? Cause they rather make money then to ensure other peoples safety and well being. They'll care after the drunk person kills someone and plenty of people who saw that person in the one and only bar he went to to get drunk in as witnesses. That then could cause the owner to lose his liquor license and possible fines and or imprisonment and lawsuits.
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 17, 2013 7:05:00 GMT -6
Good for you that you do not drink. While you are there visiting your good buddy, supporting his business that over-serves to so many customers, could you please try to get them to not block the fire hydrant, you included? I see your attacks against me for talking about the problems and questioning my citizenship, while you support someone that continues to over-serve and let customers do the things they do despite our laws, as being very despicable. These problems are really hurting our community. If I was to make a list of the what is hurting our community, Carbo's and the other bars wouldn't top that list. Personal responsibility would definitely top it. People need to take responsibility for their actions. I think I'll start bombarding this forum with my complaints about my neighborhood. Hhmmm...where do I start? Let's see moronic individuals that use the road as a dragstrip, litterbugs who throw their trash in my yard, the ginormous potholes that my car bottoms out on when I am slowly pulling into my alley, the three properties that are within a one block radius that the owners just walked away from, and the drug dealer who thought the alley would be an ideal location to peddle his drugs. How much of that can I blame on the City? Well, personal responsibility puts the blame on the drag racers, litterbugs, irresponsible property owners and the drug dealer. I received a prompt response and updates from the police with the drug dealer and they are no longer in the neighborhood having since been arrested. They are also on top of the neglectful property owners. I'm placing the blame on the alley's condition on the City and the other drivers who use it and don't realize the effect that speeding and slamming on your brakes has on gravel (and roadways).
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Post by father of two on Oct 17, 2013 7:22:26 GMT -6
"Vigilante justice" is rationalized by the idea that adequate legal mechanisms for criminal punishment are either nonexistent or insufficient. Vigilantes typically see government as ineffective in enforcing the law; and such individuals often presume to justify their actions as fulfillment of the wishes of "the community".
Persons alleged to be "escaping the law" or "above the law" are sometimes the victims of vigilantism.[2]
Vigilante behavior involves various degrees of violence. Vigilantes may assault targets verbally or physically or may vandalize property or actually kill individuals.
In a number of cases, vigilantism has involved targets with mistaken identities.
Why is it that if I say I would defend a loved one by being physical is vigilante justice but what you do is not? You are doing your own vigilante justice by your actions. I would say you support vigilante justice much more than I do. Should we go back to the days of prohibition? Can you name 3 licquor establishments anywhere that have never overserved someone?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 17, 2013 7:39:33 GMT -6
"Vigilante justice" is rationalized by the idea that adequate legal mechanisms for criminal punishment are either nonexistent or insufficient. Vigilantes typically see government as ineffective in enforcing the law; and such individuals often presume to justify their actions as fulfillment of the wishes of "the community". Persons alleged to be "escaping the law" or "above the law" are sometimes the victims of vigilantism.[2] Vigilante behavior involves various degrees of violence. Vigilantes may assault targets verbally or physically or may vandalize property or actually kill individuals. In a number of cases, vigilantism has involved targets with mistaken identities. Why is it that if I say I would defend a loved one by being physical is vigilante justice but what you do is not? You are doing your own vigilante justice by your actions. I would say you support vigilante justice much more than I do. Should we go back to the days of prohibition? Can you name 3 licquor establishments anywhere that have never overserved someone? It does sound to me like you do support violence. We are supposed to take the problems that we see to our leaders and ask them for action. Problems that consistently happen without any corrections, need to be continually talked about. Obviously there are people that think the over-serving is acceptable, I'm not one of those. Pointing the problems out to more people to try to show them how unacceptable it is, is the way to create change. These are just my opinions. If you want to start a campaign to show that you think over-serving is acceptable, feel free. Do you wear one of those shirts throughout our community that promotes a disease that many people struggle with?
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