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Post by hawk on Oct 9, 2013 10:51:43 GMT -6
I still just can't believe that anyone would think that writing a letter in response to threats of a fine would be considered searching them out to let them know what I was doing. remember when I told you this... I give you crap because 1. Unlike Paul Harvey you only give half of the story. It's not until you get called out that you start giving the other details and information (typically important information) about the subject at hand. 2. You make the council seem completely oblivious to everything, out of touch, and unapproachable. Yeah it applies to your chicken story also and it applies to this... Next it was the chicken debate. You got a couple of chickens, that nobody really knew you had or even cared. So since you weren't getting the attention you wanted you made it clear the loophole you had found only two weeks after getting the chickens. You even searched out the city engineer to tell him you were going to put bird cages on your roof. The City reacted once you pushed the issue and made it apparent, and now they are in talks. You feel the City is "picking" on you because of it. The building inspector came to my son's business threatening to fine us $100 for not getting a permit for the fence I put up, even though fences don't require a permit. Um wait, sorry to say but a fence does require a permit. No, they didn't end up charging me anything; a fence doesn't require a permit. No, they didn't end up charging me anything; a fence doesn't require a permit. I am not trying to argue with you, but looking for some clarification. I did a quick search in The Times and if I search building permits, I have seen many cases where they list fencing. Did they use to require it and have now eliminated it? I should have said a 4' fence doesn't require a permit. Oooohh, there it is THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION YOU ALWAYS LEAVE OUT! Please revert back to #1 of why I give you crap. I would also like to point out how you totally ignored the quote I posted in regards to painting your building and getting a rise out of the city, but were admit about tackling the other two issues. Must be something to it. So here it is again. Enjoy! Myself, I find it certainly convenient that the "issues" that come up are ones that are centered around you, and brought up on here. Let's take a look back shall we. First it was, and apparently still is, aquaponics. You wanted to start it in the downtown which wasn't zoned for it, but that made no difference even if you didn't take the right procedures to rezone it. Therefore it was the Citys fault and not being business friendly. Next it was the chicken debate. You got a couple of chickens, that nobody really knew you had or even cared. So since you weren't getting the attention you wanted you made it clear the loophole you had found only two weeks after getting the chickens. You even searched out the city engineer to tell him you were going to put bird cages on your roof. The City reacted once you pushed the issue and made it apparent, and now they are in talks. You feel the City is "picking" on you because of it. Now you paint your building on two walls to mimic a sunset in bold colors. Some time passes and nobody says anything, until a couple days ago. With positive comments I might add. Probably not the reaction you were hoping for, so you start another thread about aesthetic design color restrictions on commercial buildings. Lets go back to April 10th. I for one particularly like what Ed Benner was quoted in the article, and we know the distaste you had for Ed. I highlighted it in orange for those following along. The title and political position of this thread has changed please see post #115 on page 8. Here we are telling businesses to not even think about coming here if they expect to spend their money to build what they want. Streator may consider architectural, appearance guidelines for new businesses 04/10/2013, 1:15 am Comment on this story | Print this story | Email this story Jerrilyn Zavada, jzavada@mywebtimes.com, 815-673-6371 Streator officials will consider a March plan commission motion for the city to determine architectural and appearance guidelines for new businesses.
Similar guidelines already are in place for businesses the size of Walmart. The new guidelines would apply to smaller, newly built businesses.
At a Committee of the Whole meeting Tuesday, City Manager Paul Nicholson said the city would roll potential guidelines into the comprehensive plan to be considered more broadly.
City Councilman Ed Benner disagrees with the idea of establishing further guidelines, saying it is unlikely any new business is going to paint their business orange, for example, and therefore be offensive to the public.
"How are we going to write guidelines for architecturally pleasing? Who determines what is architecturally pleasing?" Benner asked. "Look at the new buildings recently. They're all fine."
City Engineer Jeremy Palm noted many other municipalities have similar guidelines in place.
In related discussion, Nicholson told the council about items on the Plan Commission's agenda Tuesday night, which includes consideration of an application for a special use permit for Tractor Supply Company to display outdoor inventory at a store at Northpoint Shopping Center. The agreement for the store to move to Streator has not been finalized, but preliminary preparations are being made to secure needed permits.
"There have been comments about the reluctance of this council to support new businesses," Mayor Jimmie Lansford said. "Hogwash. This is a good example. We take (requests) through existing structures. We have not denied talking to anyone who has approached us."
:)od thing they are looking out for our best interest. We have had such a huge problem with businesses building things that are just unacceptable; it is ruining our community. We have too many businesses and jobs here. We need to stop so many of them from coming here. The Streator Gestapo is now going to determine what is architecturally pleasing? I'll take pictures of their downtown building today and post them so we can all see what they consider acceptable for their property as they restrict those wanting to spend big money to build brand new. What has been built that is so terrible looking to warrant keeping business from building here? Don't we deserve to know what they think is so terrible before keeping more business out? Does anyone think that these companies won't just head down the road to the next little town that doesn't have the Gestapo? What a bunch of BS. "There have been comments about the reluctance of this council to support new businesses," Mayor Jimmie Lansford said. "Hogwash. This is a good example. We take (requests) through existing structures. We have not denied talking to anyone who has approached us."
Talk about Hogwash! It was the Mayor that stopped the proposed Aquaponics business with his ridiculously extreme, unjustified industrial zoning restriction. Sure he talked to me to put an absolute stop to the business, but has since refused to provide any justification at all for it. I really held Mr. Williamson accountable for pulling on the same rope that blocked this business. If I were lying about the restriction, don't you think he would have attacked me for that instead of the Home Rule issue? Don't you think he would have just provided the justification if there was any? If you care about the direction Streator is heading, please call City Hall 672-2517 and ask the Mayor for justification of his industrial zoning requirement for Aquaponics. Since there isn't any, don't wait long for an answer, but ask him to stop turning businesses away with so many stupid unwarranted restrictions. I will be sure to tell them too, but they don't listen to me. If you do not tell them what you think too, they will keep on doing these stupid things and we will continue heading in the wrong direction. I most certainly agree with northsider you are doing this to get a rise out of the city. So what is next on your list to draw attention to yourself and raise fault against the city?
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 9, 2013 11:35:20 GMT -6
Myself, I find it certainly convenient that the "issues" that come up are ones that are centered around you, and brought up on here. Let's take a look back shall we. First it was, and apparently still is, aquaponics. You wanted to start it in the downtown which wasn't zoned for it, but that made no difference even if you didn't take the right procedures to rezone it. Therefore it was the Citys fault and not being business friendly. Next it was the chicken debate. You got a couple of chickens, that nobody really knew you had or even cared. So since you weren't getting the attention you wanted you made it clear the loophole you had found only two weeks after getting the chickens. You even searched out the city engineer to tell him you were going to put bird cages on your roof. The City reacted once you pushed the issue and made it apparent, and now they are in talks. You feel the City is "picking" on you because of it. Now you paint your building on two walls to mimic a sunset in bold colors. Some time passes and nobody says anything, until a couple days ago. With positive comments I might add. Probably not the reaction you were hoping for, so you start another thread about aesthetic design color restrictions on commercial buildings. Lets go back to April 10th. I for one particularly like what Ed Benner was quoted in the article, and we know the distaste you had for Ed. I highlighted it in orange for those following along. The title and political position of this thread has changed please see post #115 on page 8. City Councilman Ed Benner disagrees with the idea of establishing further guidelines, saying it is unlikely any new business is going to paint their business orange, for example, and therefore be offensive to the public.
Ugh. I must be so naive. I totally did not see that coming. I should have known Kyle had an ulterior motive for painting his building like that but it never even crossed my mind. Same old tactics. Oh, back when that article was in the paper we had a discussion on that. There already IS a business in town painted orange and it has been for awhile.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 9, 2013 11:46:51 GMT -6
OMG Hawk you are right! Now i see it! I deeply apologize for leaving out such an important detail in my original post as it being a 4' fence. It is sad that you think I did it on purpose to mislead people and give them the wrong impression by withholding the "rest of the story". Does that 4' detail justify your thinking that defending myself against a fine they threatened with a letter telling them what I was doing, is my "searching them out"? Sorry that I didn't respond directly to your comment of just painting my building to "get a rise" out of the City. If you want I'll rewrite it all, but if you could just replace the words "pushing buttons" with "get a rise", you would have my response. I thinks his just trying to push people's buttons. I've expressed my opposition to these restrictions before; Streator has thrived in the past without them and can again. If someone wants to open a comic book store and wants to paint the side of his building to look like a comic book to try to create a brand and some attention for his business, I think he should be able to. He can't very well do that with subtle, neutral earth tones, in my opinion. Those things may go over for the burbs and other places with lots of business, but this is Streator. I think we need businesses here and that they need to be able to get some attention, possibly with some color. This is just one insignificant person's opinions though. Since the topic was brought up, and so many people liked my color, I wanted to get a better idea of what others think about the issue. Some of our council members and their spouses read SO, maybe they will decide that our community is actually accepting of color and not pass the restrictions. I wasn't purposely trying to push buttons. I've had many positive comments, several just this morning, let me share a couple with you: "You put a smile on downtown Streator." "I brought some friends from out of town downtown just to see it." I did it because I like color and thought it would look good (obviously many people agree with me). If you want to argue over what my intentions for painting were, I'm here. Maybe you want to argue with me as to what I was planning to eat for dinner tonight too? I already know that you support the added restrictions on businesses here to turn Streator into subtle, neutral earth tones like some suburb, just like some of our City leaders. Is it because you really just don't like color, or because you are the leader of their cheer leading squad? Can I get a C? Can I get an I? Can I get a T? Can I get a Y? Yeah City!!!
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 9, 2013 11:51:03 GMT -6
Where is this orange building located? I'd like to see how offensive I think it is. Not offensive enough that a council member knew about it?
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 9, 2013 12:08:41 GMT -6
Where is this orange building located? I'd like to see how offensive I think it is. Not offensive enough that a council member knew about it? I never said it was offensive but then again I don't live across the street from it. However, since it is across the street from a cemetery on West Main street, I don't think you'll find them complaining.
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Post by dog on Oct 9, 2013 12:13:46 GMT -6
Does that 4' detail justify your thinking that defending myself against a fine they threatened with a letter telling them what I was doing, is my "searching them out"? Its neither her nor there, but if you just put the letter in the mail, you would not be "searching them out" but if you hand delivered the letter to the intended receipent, then yes, you did search them out.
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Post by hawk on Oct 9, 2013 13:13:30 GMT -6
OMG Hawk you are right! Now i see it! I deeply apologize for leaving out such an important detail in my original post as it being a 4' fence. It is sad that you think I did it on purpose to mislead people and give them the wrong impression by withholding the "rest of the story". Does that 4' detail justify your thinking that defending myself against a fine they threatened with a letter telling them what I was doing, is my "searching them out"? Sorry that I didn't respond directly to your comment of just painting my building to "get a rise" out of the City. If you want I'll rewrite it all, but if you could just replace the words "pushing buttons" with "get a rise", you would have my response. I've expressed my opposition to these restrictions before; Streator has thrived in the past without them and can again. If someone wants to open a comic book store and wants to paint the side of his building to look like a comic book to try to create a brand and some attention for his business, I think he should be able to. He can't very well do that with subtle, neutral earth tones, in my opinion. Those things may go over for the burbs and other places with lots of business, but this is Streator. I think we need businesses here and that they need to be able to get some attention, possibly with some color. This is just one insignificant person's opinions though. Since the topic was brought up, and so many people liked my color, I wanted to get a better idea of what others think about the issue. Some of our council members and their spouses read SO, maybe they will decide that our community is actually accepting of color and not pass the restrictions. I wasn't purposely trying to push buttons. I've had many positive comments, several just this morning, let me share a couple with you: "You put a smile on downtown Streator." "I brought some friends from out of town downtown just to see it." I did it because I like color and thought it would look good (obviously many people agree with me). If you want to argue over what my intentions for painting were, I'm here. Maybe you want to argue with me as to what I was planning to eat for dinner tonight too? I already know that you support the added restrictions on businesses here to turn Streator into subtle, neutral earth tones like some suburb, just like some of our City leaders. Is it because you really just don't like color, or because you are the leader of their cheer leading squad? Can I get a C? Can I get an I? Can I get a T? Can I get a Y? Yeah City!!! Important information does matter! It may seem very insignificant to leave out the "4'" to you, but that is the difference maker because there is a requirement to have a permit when putting in a fence. Just as it was pointed out. Same with the chickens, as you were quoted That was quick, you must have an inside line. Good for you. Yes I handed a letter to the City Engineer as I explained to him that I was putting bird cages there. He didn't have a problem with it. No application was needed. Chickens are birds and are allowed in non-residential zones, so what is your problem? Nowhere previous to that discussion did you mention that an inspector came to your building or that you were going to be fined unless you wrote a letter defending yourself. It wasnt until I had to defend myself from you accusing me of making stuff up that you suddenly had to recall the information that was left out. You have called wolf way too many times, and that is why you get blamed for ulterior motives and falsifying information. I'm not here to defend you, the city or whom ever else. I'm the voice of reason to your unsystematic antics and unfounded replies. I don't care either way what people have to say about the paint job to your building. That is not the point of this conversation. Until you are more cogent with your information and stop being so derisive, condescending you will always be questioned and looked at having an ulterior motive to your actions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:01:31 GMT -6
shucks to late for me to voteOh ok not with program I voted
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 9, 2013 14:05:57 GMT -6
Hawk, I actually left out the part about the inspector searching me out and threatening to fine me for a fence that does not require a permit to try to be nice to the City.
If everything that I did was to try to put the City in a negative light, I certainly would have made sure that people knew.
However, because I didn't provide that fact originally, it justifies your assumption that I searched them out?
It really just didn't seem like it was something that everyone needed to know about the situation, but I guess if I'm going to have someone picking apart every detail of what I have to say to try to figure out my motives, maybe I better give more details.
While I was on the phone with the inspector, I think I may have farted. Maybe that changes the whole situation?
This thread was all about color of buildings, whether people like choices like mine or what the City is pushing. It was the sole point of this conversation, until you railroaded it with your attack on my motives.
C-I-T-Y, Yeah City!!!
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Post by ~MnM~ on Oct 9, 2013 14:19:42 GMT -6
I think I read about someone, somewhere that was getting hassled to paint a building. I think it was his house. He painted it. Painted it in Polka Dots of various random sizes and colors. I love it. Kyle, I think the color looks just fine. If you like it, that's the main thing. It really shouldn't matter if we all like it or loathe it and the same with city hall. It's your building, you pay the taxes on it, if it pleases you, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the rest of us. OMGawd...so where pray tell was that house at? The only "offensive" paint job that I do recall people being upset about was the old Key Largo building which ended up burning that had been painted purple. Now that one sure was offensive looking right on Main Street............. M
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:22:10 GMT -6
Democracy have we lost it? Are they going to tell us what color we can paint our house next? Blend in with the rest LOL Most of the buildings look like hell. Lets clean this town up people Murals painted on these crummingasswalls would look great The city paints the wall down here on the west bridge and dont ask us what colors we want. They cut cornors years ago now it haunts everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:24:28 GMT -6
Now if I must just pack up and leave town. Than tar and feather me Kiss the last part of me leaving
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Post by ~MnM~ on Oct 9, 2013 14:26:04 GMT -6
Yeah ^^^ if they could have murals professionally done like all the great ones painted over in Ottawa! Now, don't get me wrong here the ones on Carbo's building, A1 Auto, and the Tombaugh one at Don's Furniture...ARE tastefully done. JMHO................... M
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Post by metoo on Oct 9, 2013 14:26:46 GMT -6
OMG Hawk you are right! Now i see it! I deeply apologize for leaving out such an important detail in my original post as it being a 4' fence. It is sad that you think I did it on purpose to mislead people and give them the wrong impression by withholding the "rest of the story". Does that 4' detail justify your thinking that defending myself against a fine they threatened with a letter telling them what I was doing, is my "searching them out"? Sorry that I didn't respond directly to your comment of just painting my building to "get a rise" out of the City. If you want I'll rewrite it all, but if you could just replace the words "pushing buttons" with "get a rise", you would have my response. I've expressed my opposition to these restrictions before; Streator has thrived in the past without them and can again. If someone wants to open a comic book store and wants to paint the side of his building to look like a comic book to try to create a brand and some attention for his business, I think he should be able to. He can't very well do that with subtle, neutral earth tones, in my opinion. Those things may go over for the burbs and other places with lots of business, but this is Streator. I think we need businesses here and that they need to be able to get some attention, possibly with some color. This is just one insignificant person's opinions though. Since the topic was brought up, and so many people liked my color, I wanted to get a better idea of what others think about the issue. Some of our council members and their spouses read SO, maybe they will decide that our community is actually accepting of color and not pass the restrictions. I wasn't purposely trying to push buttons. I've had many positive comments, several just this morning, let me share a couple with you: "You put a smile on downtown Streator." "I brought some friends from out of town downtown just to see it." I did it because I like color and thought it would look good (obviously many people agree with me). If you want to argue over what my intentions for painting were, I'm here. Maybe you want to argue with me as to what I was planning to eat for dinner tonight too? I already know that you support the added restrictions on businesses here to turn Streator into subtle, neutral earth tones like some suburb, just like some of our City leaders. Is it because you really just don't like color, or because you are the leader of their cheer leading squad? Can I get a C? Can I get an I? Can I get a T? Can I get a Y? Yeah City!!! It really is a disgrace to the area - chickens now this - what next downtown - anyone wanna buy a building?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:30:48 GMT -6
Color full paint is color full paint and looks a hell of lot better than them old bricks. Dont matter about great ones in Ottawa.
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