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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 8, 2013 6:19:26 GMT -6
First it was, and apparently still is, aquaponics. You wanted to start it in the downtown which wasn't zoned for it, but that made no difference even if you didn't take the right procedures to rezone it. Therefore it was the Citys fault and not being business friendly. We've talked about it so many times, I'd think you would have it right by now. I didn't follow the wrong procedure to rezone it because I never tried to rezone it at all. Read our zoning ordinance. What business activity was Aquaponics most closely related to that requires industrial zoning? You provide a real answer to that and I will stop talking about Aquaponics as an example of our city not being friendly to business.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 8, 2013 6:40:28 GMT -6
Next it was the chicken debate. You got a couple of chickens, that nobody really knew you had or even cared. So since you weren't getting the attention you wanted you made it clear the loophole you had found only two weeks after getting the chickens. You even searched out the city engineer to tell him you were going to put bird cages on your roof. The City reacted once you pushed the issue and made it apparent, and now they are in talks. You feel the City is "picking" on you because of it. Why are you just making stuff up? After checking our ordinances, I got some hens. Within hours I was being called out by several on here for it. I did not search out the city engineer. The building inspector came to my son's business threatening to fine us $100 for not getting a permit for the fence I put up, even though fences don't require a permit. I was in Florida at the time, so I told the inspector to do what he had to and I would deal with it when I got back. He said that he would turn it over to the city engineer. Having nothing to hide, when I got back, I invited the city engineer on my roof to take a look at what I was doing. Just because you don't have all the details is no reason to make things up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 6:48:25 GMT -6
Am I correct in assuming that they charged you a fee to put a fence on your roof.. If so it sure looks like one of those new digital tv antennas to me.........
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 8, 2013 7:01:32 GMT -6
No, they didn't end up charging me anything; a fence doesn't require a permit.
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Post by dog on Oct 8, 2013 7:21:47 GMT -6
No, they didn't end up charging me anything; a fence doesn't require a permit. I am not trying to argue with you, but looking for some clarification. I did a quick search in The Times and if I search building permits, I have seen many cases where they list fencing. Did they use to require it and have now eliminated it?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 8, 2013 7:27:18 GMT -6
I should have said a 4' fence doesn't require a permit.
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Post by dive61364 on Oct 8, 2013 7:36:51 GMT -6
I had to pay 25.00 and a guy came out to approve my fence.
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Post by hawk on Oct 8, 2013 8:03:08 GMT -6
First it was, and apparently still is, aquaponics. You wanted to start it in the downtown which wasn't zoned for it, but that made no difference even if you didn't take the right procedures to rezone it. Therefore it was the Citys fault and not being business friendly. We've talked about it so many times, I'd think you would have it right by now. I didn't follow the wrong procedure to rezone it because I never tried to rezone it at all. Read our zoning ordinance. What business activity was Aquaponics most closely related to that requires industrial zoning? You provide a real answer to that and I will stop talking about Aquaponics as an example of our city not being friendly to business. Yes, yes we have. Your right I would think you would have it right by now, but if you lie enough about it you start to believe it. Did you you go to Planning and Zoning Commission...No you didn't. Did you put together a proposal for the Planning and Zoning Commission to argue your case....No you didn't. Would you like me to go back and find the thread on that too, where you finally admitted to not following procedure. I'd be happy to if you haven't tried to erase it already.
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Post by hawk on Oct 8, 2013 8:13:03 GMT -6
Next it was the chicken debate. You got a couple of chickens, that nobody really knew you had or even cared. So since you weren't getting the attention you wanted you made it clear the loophole you had found only two weeks after getting the chickens. You even searched out the city engineer to tell him you were going to put bird cages on your roof. The City reacted once you pushed the issue and made it apparent, and now they are in talks. You feel the City is "picking" on you because of it. Why are you just making stuff up? After checking our ordinances, I got some hens. Within hours I was being called out by several on here for it. I did not search out the city engineer. The building inspector came to my son's business threatening to fine us $100 for not getting a permit for the fence I put up, even though fences don't require a permit. I was in Florida at the time, so I told the inspector to do what he had to and I would deal with it when I got back. He said that he would turn it over to the city engineer. Having nothing to hide, when I got back, I invited the city engineer on my roof to take a look at what I was doing. Just because you don't have all the details is no reason to make things up. I'm not making up one part of it. Your backing yourself up into a corner, I don't even have to make stories up. The proof is right there in front of everyone. I've caught on, northsider has caught on, and I'm sure several others on here have or are starting to. Ok, so you say you didn't search out the city engineer, i apologize if i have the wrong person, but you did approach someone at the city and told them you were putting in bird cages. In fact you even said it yourself on here that you had done so. I can go back and find that thread also if you haven't tried erasing it to cover your tracks. See I don't have to make any of this up. You do enough yourself, your writing gold!
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 8, 2013 8:22:01 GMT -6
I didn't erase anything. I admit that I didn't follow your procedure of going to P&Z to get the City's determination of their requirement.
Instead I went to City Hall, where they never even suggested that I should go to P&Z to get the information.
They gave me the city's requirement and didn't provide any option for the business other than changing the property to industrial zoning.
If there were a justification for that requirement, why wouldn't someone provide it?
In the end, the lesson I learned, was not to go to City Hall for interpretation of our laws.
This thread is about building color, if you want to talk about Aquaponics, please start a new thread or post on one of the existing ones.
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Post by hawk on Oct 8, 2013 8:22:53 GMT -6
For those of you that want to defend the way Kyle went about this, you have that right. Nobody is going to convince me that this wasn't his way of getting over the City of Streator. In one of the earlier posts I believe he told Jeremy Palm that he was going to put bird cages on his roof. Why not be open about it and say, "I'm going to put chicken cages up on my roof?" Jeremy may have had second thoughts. I certainly don't think of chickens in the same reference as I do birds. There is a reason why farm animals are not allowed in the City. I'm sure when it was put on the books there may have been some kind of abuse sometime. Sure, some people wouldn't abuse the right to have chickens, but there is a likely hood there would be a lot of abuse of some of the people that have no regard for our municipal rules. Just as folks don't follow the rules like dogs roaming, I'd bet people wouldn't take proper care of chickens either. I believe chickens belong on a farm as well as roosters. The ordinance reads no farm animals in the city and I really believe most readers would think of a chicken as a farm animal. Just my honest opinion. I said bird cages, because the chickens are birds and are only taking up half of the fenced in area. I have room for some other type of birds as well. The ordinance does not say no farm animals in the city. See, I don't have to make stuff up. You can't keep your story straight.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 8, 2013 8:25:46 GMT -6
I didn't search them out at all.
They came searching me out, that was when I told them that I was going to put bird cages there.
Please do pull up where I said that I searched them out to tell them that I was putting bird cages there.
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Post by katydid on Oct 8, 2013 8:57:58 GMT -6
I think people should take a ride through downtown Champagne. I hadn't been there in over 30 years but I happened to have to go the university for a job related issue. Man that downtown has some curb appeal! Outdoor cafe's, businesses with awnings and plantings in front, brick walkways, beautiful lighting fixtures, each business is distinguishable yet the architecture and overall scheme flow. I just wanted to jump out of my car, eat lunch and go shopping!
Its not too late for Streator. There are so many possibilities to make downtown more inviting, but forcing every business into conformity ain't it.
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Post by northsider on Oct 8, 2013 9:53:36 GMT -6
Downtown Champaign does look great. FYI the city of Champaign has a downtown redevelopment plan and the first statement in that plan is " The City will apply general design controls for projects located in the Redevelopment Project Area based on the design standards listed below." I wouldn't want conformity so every building looks the same in any downtown area. I think that if a community is serious about trying to revitalize an aging downtown area, which Champaign was, then some form of planning is appropriate. For those that say the owner should get to paint whatever he wants, what if the owner wants to paint satanic symbols, swastikas, or pot plants on their downtown facade or their neighborhood house? What if you owned the property next door and were looking to sell? I don't think that Kyles paint job looks bad or out of place. I think it would fit in nicely with an cohesive downtown revitalization plan. I merely question his motives for doing it based on his past as well as the title of this thread. I thinks his just trying to push people's buttons.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 8, 2013 10:46:38 GMT -6
I thinks his just trying to push people's buttons. I've expressed my opposition to these restrictions before; Streator has thrived in the past without them and can again. If someone wants to open a comic book store and wants to paint the side of his building to look like a comic book to try to create a brand and some attention for his business, I think he should be able to. He can't very well do that with subtle, neutral earth tones, in my opinion. Those things may go over for the burbs and other places with lots of business, but this is Streator. I think we need businesses here and that they need to be able to get some attention, possibly with some color. This is just one insignificant person's opinions though. Since the topic was brought up, and so many people liked my color, I wanted to get a better idea of what others think about the issue. Some of our council members and their spouses read SO, maybe they will decide that our community is actually accepting of color and not pass the restrictions. I wasn't purposely trying to push buttons.
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