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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 13:36:02 GMT -6
I also disagree with the statement "kids will be kids". Kids should still be taught how to behave in public.
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Post by seaturtle43 in hostile forum on Sept 27, 2013 14:32:16 GMT -6
I certainly do know the difference between laughing and behaviors that bother others enjoyment of a nature environment. I have seen groups of kids and adults out there that were not obnoxiously loud compared with a couple that were. I agree with someone else who said there has to be more to it than that. I hear kids laughing and running SHORT distances on trails and calling back, mommy look what I found. That doesn't bother me. That doesn't bother the people who maintain the park. If they were asked to leave than they were doing much more than just "laughing".
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Post by Problem Dog on Sept 27, 2013 16:25:57 GMT -6
Oh gee, I wonder which volunteer caused this issue... :/
I have had nothing but trouble every single time I go out there because of one particular volunteer. The first time I went out there since it was cleaned up, I brought a friend of mine who had lived in Vegas her whole life. She'd never really got to see green nature like we have around here. I took her there... and she bent down and picked a single small purple wild flower. Not even the flowers they plant. They were everywhere. This particular volunteer literally started screaming at us, cussing at us...and insulting our ability to read regarding the park's rules on wild life. She followed us through the trails and verbally attacked us until we left. We went back and checked the sign regarding such rules and there was nothing except a small note about them 'preferring' the public doesn't pick flowers. And it was in very fine print and hard to find. Now, if she had come up and been polite about it- we'd have eagerly apologized and followed the rule. But the way she handled it was VERY unprofessional.
This exact same volunteer also greeted us very rudely a second time we went out regarding my dog being 'off leash.' We were literally JUST getting out of our car and my bulldog/lab mix (an older dog) jumped out behind me and stood next to me AS I was leaning down to put his leash on. She come up and screamed at us about no dogs were allowed off leash. I just held up his leash (That was already attached to his collar) and stared...
It's just ridiculous the way this woman treats people. These are just a few of the stories I've heard regarding her, and not the only negative experiences I have had personally. In my opinion, the volunteers out there need to be friendly and polite to the residents of the park. I understand SOME people are rude and unruly and need to be corrected, but not everyone is, and that's exactly how she treats people. Especially younger folk. I've stopped going out there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 16:44:59 GMT -6
Oh gee, I wonder which volunteer caused this issue... :/ I have had nothing but trouble every single time I go out there because of one particular volunteer. The first time I went out there since it was cleaned up, I brought a friend of mine who had lived in Vegas her whole life. She'd never really got to see green nature like we have around here. I took her there... and she bent down and picked a single small purple wild flower. Not even the flowers they plant. They were everywhere. This particular volunteer literally started screaming at us, cussing at us...and insulting our ability to read regarding the park's rules on wild life. She followed us through the trails and verbally attacked us until we left. We went back and checked the sign regarding such rules and there was nothing except a small note about them 'preferring' the public doesn't pick flowers. And it was in very fine print and hard to find. Now, if she had come up and been polite about it- we'd have eagerly apologized and followed the rule. But the way she handled it was VERY unprofessional. This exact same volunteer also greeted us very rudely a second time we went out regarding my dog being 'off leash.' We were literally JUST getting out of our car and my bulldog/lab mix (an older dog) jumped out behind me and stood next to me AS I was leaning down to put his leash on. She come up and screamed at us about no dogs were allowed off leash. I just held up his leash (That was already attached to his collar) and stared... It's just ridiculous the way this woman treats people. These are just a few of the stories I've heard regarding her, and not the only negative experiences I have had personally. In my opinion, the volunteers out there need to be friendly and polite to the residents of the park. I understand SOME people are rude and unruly and need to be corrected, but not everyone is, and that's exactly how she treats people. Especially younger folk. I've stopped going out there. That's what It wants. You can bet this creatures haunts SO. C'mon, lady...defend yourself!
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Post by helencrump on Sept 27, 2013 21:59:13 GMT -6
There's a place on the website to volunteer. Did you send a complaint about this incident, including the date, so they know which volunteer?
As far as picking wildflowers, that's a no no in all wildlife settings. Haven't you ever heard the saying, leave it the way you found it?
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Post by Problem Dog on Sept 27, 2013 22:16:41 GMT -6
There's a place on the website to volunteer. Did you send a complaint about this incident, including the date, so they know which volunteer? As far as picking wildflowers, that's a no no in all wildlife settings. Haven't you ever heard the saying, leave it the way you found it? Yes, I know that- and I don't mess with wild life. But my friend, who was unfamiliar with the area and such flowers did not. She wanted the flower for a scrap book. I understand we broke a rule, and as I had previously mentioned- had she corrected us politely... we'd have quickly apologized and continued on without any more issue. I'll be the first to admit we deserved the correction, but not in the manner she delivered it. It was just downright rude and uncalled for. I couldn't believe someone her age was speaking to us that way. And nah, I didn't know there was a place I could complain. I hate confrontation and just figured it'd be easier to avoid going out there in the future.
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Post by helencrump on Sept 27, 2013 22:35:02 GMT -6
I believe in some places, there's actually fines for picking wild plant life. I believe in az there are certain cactus you're not allowed to remove from the desert. I was watching an hgtv type show, and they had to get permission to move plant life.
It does seem that there are enough different types of parks that people could respect each other. This is a nature park. It doesn't seem that difficult to abide by a few rules.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 7:57:29 GMT -6
in my opinion I think there is a lot more to this story then we have been told. why would a park worker take down a license plate number just for unruly children? I frequent spring lake on many occasions and have no problem with any volunteer out there. until I hear from the other party in this fracas or a statement posted by the city I will refrain from condemning any of the parks volunteers which I think do a lot for the parks beauty.
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Post by no1inparticular on Sept 28, 2013 16:23:10 GMT -6
While Spring Lake may have it's own set of "rules", it's my understanding that the ONLY flowers/plants that are NOT to be picked are "State Flowers/Plants"... And, considering that MOST of the flowers there were donated and planted by members of the community, I see no reason for harassing a visitor over a flower as long as they're not picking bunches, or digging them up...
Once again, someone clearly should pull the stick from their butt, and stop tripping on the trivial...I'd be the first to complain about such treatment from a volunteer, especially when the park belongs to us ALL...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 17:03:37 GMT -6
Just came from out there. Its nice but nothing to brag about. weeds, dirt, along with being so dry I was only there for about 5 min. Hubby & dog sat in car. But I wanted to walk a look a little.
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Post by iluvstreator on Sept 28, 2013 20:25:46 GMT -6
Just came from out there. Its nice but nothing to brag about. weeds, dirt, along with being so dry I was only there for about 5 min. Hubby & dog sat in car. But I wanted to walk a look a little. Unfortunately, the park hasn't recovered from the flooding this past April. There was 9 feet of water throughout the parking lot and across both creeks. The water was actually flowing over the swinging bridge. It was a disaster...Volunteers were unable to even enter the park until the middle of May to begin cleaning up the mess. I, personally, am very pleased with what was able to be accomplished this year with so few volunteers. It is in no way cleaned up entirely. The dirt you refer to that is still throughout the approach to the Falls is the result of about 8-10 inches of silt that the receding floodwaters deposited in what used to be a beautiful grassy area. The weeds are also a result of this silt that had a large amount of weed seed in it that has taken over. It will be a couple of seasons before the grass is lush again. All we can do is keep plugging away at it and pray that the park is never flooded like it was this past April again. The park consists of 37 acres with 13 individual trails. If a visitor were to walk all 13 trails, he would cover about 8 miles. You would have to spend a lot more than 5 minutes of your time to appreciate all of the park's beauty. I hope someday you have more time to do so. I, personally, hope all of you get a chance to visit the park. Spend a few hours out there like thousands of people do every season and take into consideration that it may not be perfect, but a small handful of people are maintaining this park for all of Streator and surrounding areas to enjoy. I am a very active volunteer and I find myself bragging about this park almost daily.
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Post by helencrump on Sept 28, 2013 21:58:43 GMT -6
Iluvstreator, thanks for all the volunteers do. Some people are not appreciative at all. But, there are many of us that do appreciate all of the effort.
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Post by greekgod on Sept 28, 2013 22:19:48 GMT -6
iluvstrearor,
About a year ago, I had the opportunity to visit Spring Lake with a relative from out of State, we walked some of the trails, and enjoyed the tranquility, and a chance to talk in such a peaceful setting.
As we left others enjoying the serenity of Spring Lake were laughing with us and asking about our visit.
Hippy, do not let one bad experience stop you from enjoying what those who made Spring Lake what all in our have the advantage to enjoy.
Listening to the rustling of leaves in the fall, water running over the rock, watching the leaves float in the water, and even listing to the "loud" children enjoying themselves is part of what Spring Lake is our Community should want to share.
When I go out there again I can't wait to here your children enjoy themselves.
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Post by seaturtle43 in hostile forum on Sept 29, 2013 6:49:19 GMT -6
Just came from out there. Its nice but nothing to brag about. weeds, dirt, along with being so dry I was only there for about 5 min. Hubby & dog sat in car. But I wanted to walk a look a little. Unfortunately, the park hasn't recovered from the flooding this past April. There was 9 feet of water throughout the parking lot and across both creeks. The water was actually flowing over the swinging bridge. It was a disaster...Volunteers were unable to even enter the park until the middle of May to begin cleaning up the mess. I, personally, am very pleased with what was able to be accomplished this year with so few volunteers. It is in no way cleaned up entirely. The dirt you refer to that is still throughout the approach to the Falls is the result of about 8-10 inches of silt that the receding floodwaters deposited in what used to be a beautiful grassy area. The weeds are also a result of this silt that had a large amount of weed seed in it that has taken over. It will be a couple of seasons before the grass is lush again. All we can do is keep plugging away at it and pray that the park is never flooded like it was this past April again. The park consists of 37 acres with 13 individual trails. If a visitor were to walk all 13 trails, he would cover about 8 miles. You would have to spend a lot more than 5 minutes of your time to appreciate all of the park's beauty. I hope someday you have more time to do so. I, personally, hope all of you get a chance to visit the park. Spend a few hours out there like thousands of people do every season and take into consideration that it may not be perfect, but a small handful of people are maintaining this park for all of Streator and surrounding areas to enjoy. I am a very active volunteer and I find myself bragging about this park almost daily. The flooding definitely took it's toll. It really was beautiful out there, even in dry periods. Perhaps the "big grassy area" could be plowed/tilled and prairie grass planted anew next year.
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Post by seaturtle43 in hostile forum on Sept 29, 2013 6:49:32 GMT -6
Just came from out there. Its nice but nothing to brag about. weeds, dirt, along with being so dry I was only there for about 5 min. Hubby & dog sat in car. But I wanted to walk a look a little. Unfortunately, the park hasn't recovered from the flooding this past April. There was 9 feet of water throughout the parking lot and across both creeks. The water was actually flowing over the swinging bridge. It was a disaster...Volunteers were unable to even enter the park until the middle of May to begin cleaning up the mess. I, personally, am very pleased with what was able to be accomplished this year with so few volunteers. It is in no way cleaned up entirely. The dirt you refer to that is still throughout the approach to the Falls is the result of about 8-10 inches of silt that the receding floodwaters deposited in what used to be a beautiful grassy area. The weeds are also a result of this silt that had a large amount of weed seed in it that has taken over. It will be a couple of seasons before the grass is lush again. All we can do is keep plugging away at it and pray that the park is never flooded like it was this past April again. The park consists of 37 acres with 13 individual trails. If a visitor were to walk all 13 trails, he would cover about 8 miles. You would have to spend a lot more than 5 minutes of your time to appreciate all of the park's beauty. I hope someday you have more time to do so. I, personally, hope all of you get a chance to visit the park. Spend a few hours out there like thousands of people do every season and take into consideration that it may not be perfect, but a small handful of people are maintaining this park for all of Streator and surrounding areas to enjoy. I am a very active volunteer and I find myself bragging about this park almost daily. The flooding definitely took it's toll. It really was beautiful out there, even in dry periods. Perhaps the "big grassy area" could be plowed/tilled and prairie grass planted anew next year.
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