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Post by dog on May 15, 2015 11:36:17 GMT -6
Yes, I did delve into his personal matters, before I was scolded by you. I just wanted to make sure it was ok with you if I continued to comment on other peoples business, before saying any more. If Tim was offered either of the options listed above, he is a dumb-fvck for not taking them. Without knowing Katie's equity in it and the continued dying of the small independent theaters, I would say she is also a dumb-fvck for making such an offer. Since he didn't take Katie's offer, I think walking away from it is the next best option. From what I have read here and in the paper, it seems he has no equity in it. Your observations and opinions on the roof and the building needing more repairs than he owes the bank, accompanied by the decline of the movie theater business in general, doesn't relate to a profitable business. I am not a small business consulting firm, I am only giving an opinion based on the very limited , and 2nd hand information that I get here and in the paper. I am not endorsing or defending his business practices, just stating what I think it is best for him financially. Personally I would like to see him pay off his debt to the bank, payback the money he took in donations, and either repair his building or demolish it at his expense. You need to look at things from other peoples eyes. Bankruptcy isn't a big badge of shame anymore. I have a customer who filed for bankruptcy not too long ago. They actually have 2 better cars and a better house than they did before the bankruptcy. I see them out and they still seem to have friends. Just because you or I might think it is shameful to file bankruptcy or get a divorce, or whatever else used to bring shame, doesn't mean that these things aren't considered mainstream in todays world. Well dog, don't hold back on what you think of people. What do you think of Bob Endres for giving $100K to try to save one of the declining theatre businesses in a declining population community? Some people say that I am too negative and see things as being more positive, but you really do seem to be much more pessimistic than I am. Perhaps you should write a letter to the giant media conglomerates about the sad state of the motion picture industry, so they can stop wasting money on electricity and just turn out the lights in Hollywood. I will agree that government regulators being asleep at the wheel, allowed a greedy mortgage industry to destroy our economy to the point that taxpayers had to bail out the "too big to fail" corporations (that aren't made to divest) while still causing millions of Americans to fail, making bankruptcy much more commonplace. However I still don't see it as a very good recommendation that people who you do not know the personal finances of should just walk away from their investments and obligations. You know what? If my family was interested in being in Streator, since it wouldn't be buying it from Tim, I would probably be putting in an offer to the bank for the Majestic for when they gain possession. With our City seeming to start trying to make bar owners be more responsible, adding video surveillance, developing a more friendly business attitude, etc., I wouldn't be afraid of the hard work needed to open it and build the business again. I've even had someone, knowing that I would do the work, offer some backing if I were interested in doing something there. It wouldn't be too much different than the three months of hard work that my family did to bring it to first run condition in 2007. I've taken asbestos abatement classes, would put on a suit and respirator to crawl through the chase under the auditorium and other areas to make it much safer to breathe in the building. I would rent the 42 sections of scaffold to repair the roof joists spanning across the back stage fly deck 45' off the floor. In 2007 we had to deal with an auditorium that had been under feet of water and all kinds of water damaged plaster throughout the lobby as well. I can still see much potential there despite your gloom and doom beliefs about the industry. I agree with Mr. Endres that the Majestic should have been a tourist destination. It is too bad that it took so long for things to even start to change here. I am very optimistic about the future of our downtown though and rather than telling others that they should just walk away from any possible investments in our community, I would tell them that I think with more of the right changes here, Anything's Possible! You don't have to worry about calling me a df too for having such a positive attitude about investing in a declining industry in our declining population community. I already figured out what you thought of me when you tried to make me think that a bank was spending a lot of money removing a valuable sign devaluing their building for the scrap, when you questioned my education to try to say that I didn't understand some percentage loss comparisons, and when you tried making me think that your strong suggestions that I walk away from my investments here was to "help" me. Actually, I focused on wrong part of you reply in my previous post. If you have someone who is willing to help burden the financial load, and you have the desire to put another effort into bring back the Majestic from the ashes, I think you should go for it. I think you did a great job of running the place when you were there. You might be able to recoup some of the investment that you previously made there. You wouldnt have to deal with Tim or Katie. With the Majestic open and the city starting to do things differently, I would think it would make your current building worth more too. I have said before that you were an asset to the community, just somewhat mis-guided at times. You have said that Streator is your current home, all you would have to do is convince your wife to want to be here. But since I dont know about your personal life, is there a downside to all this? Anything's possible, right? You would even be saving the taxpayer the cost of demolition, and making the Majestic the centerpiece of Streator's Downtown Plan.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 15, 2015 12:06:28 GMT -6
Well dog, don't hold back on what you think of people. What do you think of Bob Endres for giving $100K to try to save one of the declining theatre businesses in a declining population community? Some people say that I am too negative and see things as being more positive, but you really do seem to be much more pessimistic than I am. Perhaps you should write a letter to the giant media conglomerates about the sad state of the motion picture industry, so they can stop wasting money on electricity and just turn out the lights in Hollywood. I will agree that government regulators being asleep at the wheel, allowed a greedy mortgage industry to destroy our economy to the point that taxpayers had to bail out the "too big to fail" corporations (that aren't made to divest) while still causing millions of Americans to fail, making bankruptcy much more commonplace. However I still don't see it as a very good recommendation that people who you do not know the personal finances of should just walk away from their investments and obligations. You know what? If my family was interested in being in Streator, since it wouldn't be buying it from Tim, I would probably be putting in an offer to the bank for the Majestic for when they gain possession. With our City seeming to start trying to make bar owners be more responsible, adding video surveillance, developing a more friendly business attitude, etc., I wouldn't be afraid of the hard work needed to open it and build the business again. I've even had someone, knowing that I would do the work, offer some backing if I were interested in doing something there. It wouldn't be too much different than the three months of hard work that my family did to bring it to first run condition in 2007. I've taken asbestos abatement classes, would put on a suit and respirator to crawl through the chase under the auditorium and other areas to make it much safer to breathe in the building. I would rent the 42 sections of scaffold to repair the roof joists spanning across the back stage fly deck 45' off the floor. In 2007 we had to deal with an auditorium that had been under feet of water and all kinds of water damaged plaster throughout the lobby as well. I can still see much potential there despite your gloom and doom beliefs about the industry. I agree with Mr. Endres that the Majestic should have been a tourist destination. It is too bad that it took so long for things to even start to change here. I am very optimistic about the future of our downtown though and rather than telling others that they should just walk away from any possible investments in our community, I would tell them that I think with more of the right changes here, Anything's Possible! You don't have to worry about calling me a df too for having such a positive attitude about investing in a declining industry in our declining population community. I already figured out what you thought of me when you tried to make me think that a bank was spending a lot of money removing a valuable sign devaluing their building for the scrap, when you questioned my education to try to say that I didn't understand some percentage loss comparisons, and when you tried making me think that your strong suggestions that I walk away from my investments here was to "help" me. I think Mr Endres is a very generous man who has strong feelings of Streator and the Majestic. Unfortunately his efforts were for naught. You need to read my post again. I didn't say the movie industry is on the decline, I said the movie theater business is on the decline. It isn't my belief that it is happening, it is a fact. There are many sources out there that say that last years attendance was at a 19 year low and only will continue to get worse. Lets get the facts straight here. I am not telling everyone to walk away from possible investments in our community. I am suggesting that people make wise investments. I don't consider investing in the Majestic as a wise investment, unless you have a love for theater and deep pockets. Hypothetically, if your family wanted to live here, and you did put an offer in, would it be for the appraised value or would you try to low ball them? I dont expect anybody to blindly take advice received on an anonymous message board, but to at least consider pursuing it further with someone who has more knowledge of the particular situation. Oh, I'm sorry dog, my mistake. Please correct that statement to add the word theatre. According to MPAA statistics, 2014 box office revenues were $36.4 billion, up 1% from 2013's $35.9 billion, and up 15% from 2010's $31.6 billion. It must be that my lack of education doesn't allow me to see that as the decline or 19 year low, that you speak of. I suppose that in any industry you could analyze some statistics and find a reason not to take a chance in business. However I believe that a unique venue with high quality, good customer service, and a committed on site owner can create a situation that can buck wider trends that may show slight a slight decrease to lead to success for individual businesses, but I'm not near the pessimist you seem to be. Trust me, I pursued everything that I need to with someone who has more knowledge of the situation, myself. I am perfectly knowledgable of the situation of my personal finances and had already said many times before your strong suggestions of supposedly trying to "help", that I can not afford to and will not just walk away from my investments and obligations. You can go ahead and keep promoting for people to walk away from investing in Streator and be a Negative Nancy if you want to. I'll just continue seeing things my way and believing that a community the size of Streator should be able to support a couple of screens of motion picture entertainment.
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Post by dog on May 15, 2015 16:18:14 GMT -6
I think Mr Endres is a very generous man who has strong feelings of Streator and the Majestic. Unfortunately his efforts were for naught. You need to read my post again. I didn't say the movie industry is on the decline, I said the movie theater business is on the decline. It isn't my belief that it is happening, it is a fact. There are many sources out there that say that last years attendance was at a 19 year low and only will continue to get worse. Lets get the facts straight here. I am not telling everyone to walk away from possible investments in our community. I am suggesting that people make wise investments. I don't consider investing in the Majestic as a wise investment, unless you have a love for theater and deep pockets. Hypothetically, if your family wanted to live here, and you did put an offer in, would it be for the appraised value or would you try to low ball them? I dont expect anybody to blindly take advice received on an anonymous message board, but to at least consider pursuing it further with someone who has more knowledge of the particular situation. Oh, I'm sorry dog, my mistake. Please correct that statement to add the word theatre. According to MPAA statistics, 2014 box office revenues were $36.4 billion, up 1% from 2013's $35.9 billion, and up 15% from 2010's $31.6 billion. It must be that my lack of education doesn't allow me to see that as the decline or 19 year low, that you speak of. I suppose that in any industry you could analyze some statistics and find a reason not to take a chance in business. However I believe that a unique venue with high quality, good customer service, and a committed on site owner can create a situation that can buck wider trends that may show slight a slight decrease to lead to success for individual businesses, but I'm not near the pessimist you seem to be. Trust me, I pursued everything that I need to with someone who has more knowledge of the situation, myself. I am perfectly knowledgable of the situation of my personal finances and had already said many times before your strong suggestions of supposedly trying to "help", that I can not afford to and will not just walk away from my investments and obligations. You can go ahead and keep promoting for people to walk away from investing in Streator and be a Negative Nancy if you want to. I'll just continue seeing things my way and believing that a community the size of Streator should be able to support a couple of screens of motion picture entertainment. www.businessinsider.com/theater-attendance-down-to-19-year-low-2015-1www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-2014-moviegoing-hits-760766From the 2nd link: The number of people going to the movies in 2014 in North America slipped to its lowest level in two decades. According to preliminary estimates, roughly 1.26 billion consumers purchased cinema tickets between Jan. 1 and Dec. 31. That's the lowest number since 1.21 billion in 1995 and not that far ahead of 1994 (1.24 billion). The last time admissions fell below the 1.3 billion mark was in 2011, when only 1.28 billion people when to the movies. Official figures for 2014 won't be released until the National Association of Theater Owners calculates the average movie ticket price for 2014 (that can't happen until the average for the fourth quarter is figured out). However, the average ticket price for 2014 is likely to be at least $8.15, compared to $8.13 for 2013. Read more Todd McCarthy's 10 Best Films of 2014 Year-over-year, attendance looks to be off 6 percent from 2013, when admissions clocked in at 1.34 billion. Admissions have fluctuated dramatically over the years, and particularly since the advent of modern-day 3D, which can skew the average ticket price. Moviegoing in North America hit an all-time high in 2002, when 1.57 billion consumers lined up, thanks in part to Spider-Man ($403 million), The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers ($339.8 million), Star Wars: Episode II — Attack of the Clones ($302.2 million), Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets ($262 million) and My Big Fat Greek Wedding ($241.4 million). Overall revenue for the North American box office in 2014 is expected to finish at roughly $10.36 billion, down 5 percent over 2013 and marking the biggest year-over-year decline in nine years. If there's any good news, it's that the film business has used the fall and winter — including a prosperous Christmas season — to reverse some of the damage suffered this summer, when revenue tumbled 15 percent over 2013 and hit an eight-year low. Also, a number of smaller films did big business, helping to boost the bottom line, while the international box office is as vibrant as ever. So other than talking your wife into wanting to live here, what's stopping you from using your expertise to reopen the Majestic? You are so positive you can fix it up, give great customer service, and that Streator can support such a venture, what else is stopping you if the bank were to foreclose?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 15, 2015 19:58:37 GMT -6
Oh, I'm sorry dog, my mistake. Please correct that statement to add the word theatre. According to MPAA statistics, 2014 box office revenues were $36.4 billion, up 1% from 2013's $35.9 billion, and up 15% from 2010's $31.6 billion. It must be that my lack of education doesn't allow me to see that as the decline or 19 year low, that you speak of. I suppose that in any industry you could analyze some statistics and find a reason not to take a chance in business. However I believe that a unique venue with high quality, good customer service, and a committed on site owner can create a situation that can buck wider trends that may show slight a slight decrease to lead to success for individual businesses, but I'm not near the pessimist you seem to be. Trust me, I pursued everything that I need to with someone who has more knowledge of the situation, myself. I am perfectly knowledgable of the situation of my personal finances and had already said many times before your strong suggestions of supposedly trying to "help", that I can not afford to and will not just walk away from my investments and obligations. You can go ahead and keep promoting for people to walk away from investing in Streator and be a Negative Nancy if you want to. I'll just continue seeing things my way and believing that a community the size of Streator should be able to support a couple of screens of motion picture entertainment. www.businessinsider.com/theater-attendance-down-to-19-year-low-2015-1www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-2014-moviegoing-hits-760766From the 2nd link: The number of people going to the movies in 2014 in North America slipped to its lowest level in two decades. According to preliminary estimates, roughly 1.26 billion consumers purchased cinema tickets between Jan. 1 and Dec. 31. That's the lowest number since 1.21 billion in 1995 and not that far ahead of 1994 (1.24 billion). The last time admissions fell below the 1.3 billion mark was in 2011, when only 1.28 billion people when to the movies. Official figures for 2014 won't be released until the National Association of Theater Owners calculates the average movie ticket price for 2014 (that can't happen until the average for the fourth quarter is figured out). However, the average ticket price for 2014 is likely to be at least $8.15, compared to $8.13 for 2013. Read more Todd McCarthy's 10 Best Films of 2014 Year-over-year, attendance looks to be off 6 percent from 2013, when admissions clocked in at 1.34 billion. Admissions have fluctuated dramatically over the years, and particularly since the advent of modern-day 3D, which can skew the average ticket price. Moviegoing in North America hit an all-time high in 2002, when 1.57 billion consumers lined up, thanks in part to Spider-Man ($403 million), The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers ($339.8 million), Star Wars: Episode II — Attack of the Clones ($302.2 million), Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets ($262 million) and My Big Fat Greek Wedding ($241.4 million). Overall revenue for the North American box office in 2014 is expected to finish at roughly $10.36 billion, down 5 percent over 2013 and marking the biggest year-over-year decline in nine years. If there's any good news, it's that the film business has used the fall and winter — including a prosperous Christmas season — to reverse some of the damage suffered this summer, when revenue tumbled 15 percent over 2013 and hit an eight-year low. Also, a number of smaller films did big business, helping to boost the bottom line, while the international box office is as vibrant as ever. So other than talking your wife into wanting to live here, what's stopping you from using your expertise to reopen the Majestic? You are so positive you can fix it up, give great customer service, and that Streator can support such a venture, what else is stopping you if the bank were to foreclose? Gee dog, why are you only looking at North American number of admissions? Isn't it the amount of dollars brought in that makes more of a difference to a business than the number of people? Why look at such a small area? Streator is part of the global picture, aren't we? These numbers are directly from the studios themselves, it's not "hearsay" information from some magazines: www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/MPAA-Theatrical-Market-Statistics-2014.pdfDespite the numbers you talk about, the overall motion picture theatre revenue has been up over the last four years, hasn't it? Like I said, you could probably show some select statistics in any industry to take a Negative Nancy approach to not taking a chance on going into business, if you are a strong pessimist, as you seem to be. Gee dog, my family includes more people than just my wife. In case you don't remember, the City of Streator didn't make them feel very welcome here. Do you want some examples of how? Considering how you claimed that you were "helping" me when you strongly suggested that I walk away from my investments here, should I now consider your attempts to get me to invest more here as the opposite? Is your suggestion that I invest more in Streator just so to make you feel justified in calling me a df too?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 15, 2015 20:45:48 GMT -6
I have said before that you were an asset to the community, just somewhat mis-guided at times. Thanks for the compliment, if that's what it was supposed to be. Mis-guided? is that another phrase to mean uneducated or poorly educated? Are you sure that the problem with me couldn't just be one of my many mental illnesses that have been diagnosed here? Perhaps the problem is just that my eternal "import" status will never allow me to meet your quality standards. Of course it would have to be some problem with me, wouldn't it? It couldn't just be that I have a different view point than you and some of the other born and raised heres, could it? It seems that there are a few of your "born and raised here" types that seem to just keep resisting any positive changes by attacking people (even under the guise of "helping") just for asking for better. Why don't you want Streator to improve? It seems to me though that what is right will prevail, and some good changes are already happening. I think that more people will keep seeing what can be possible and should not be afraid to keep on asking our leaders for more of the good changes. I obviously don't have near the negative attitude that you do though.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 16, 2015 7:45:27 GMT -6
I absolutely agree about the statistics maskedman. That was my point; that you can analyze statistics all different ways and a pessimist can probably find a way to pick anything apart.
When I said motion picture industry, dog corrected me that he was only talking about the motion picture theatre industry. He didn't just say part of it, so I provided the global revenue numbers which do indicate a consistent incline, don't they? Then he posts North American attendance numbers. What does how many people going to movies in Mexico have to do with Streator? What if I told you that attendance has been on the incline in LaSalle County? Wouldn't that even be a more important number to look at?
What does the attendance number have to do with anyways? Are businesses worried about how many people they can bring in, or how much money they can bring in? Don't the MPAA numbers indicate that the industry has been making more money, by having less attendance? It is a situation created by the media conglomerates when pushing their money saving digital conversion expenses on to the movie-goers. However, isn't it also beneficial to the theatre industry to be able to bring in more money, by providing a service to less people as well, creating less labor selling tickets and cleaning up after people, even less toilet paper and water to flush. More income less expenses makes it seem to me that talking about attendance isn't even a number to be concerned about.
I think that they have purposely priced many people into staying home more with the digital conversions and now that the effect is settling in and being seen in smaller communities, the markets are just adjusting.
That was the great thing about Mr. Endres generosity though. It gave the Majestic the edge of being able to stay very competitive and have a better chance of not suffering from the fate of the rest of the industry. I imagine that if anyone buys the building that the donated projectors would pretty much have to show back up.
So my point was, do dog's numbers of people going to movies throughout North America really make a pig's a$$ (seemed more appropriate than rat) of difference when we are discussing our local movie palace?
As for the import thing, I understand the network thing and was never against getting involved in the community and building that network.
What I'm talking about is when someone like MnM using it take make it out as if I am some kind of second class citizen because I wasn't born here, when helencrump says I'm uptight because I wasn't at the parties in the cornfields where guys urinated in their presence and beat each other up, when Willy makes it out as if I am lacking some type of social training because I wasn't in Streator schools to be treated like a Timex and had individuals deciding I deserved the playground style attitude adjustments.
I'm not talking about how many people someone new here knows. I'm talking about that attitude that the born and raised here are somehow better, like those I mentioned, Tim, his local family and other friends, and others who support unscrupulous activities.
Some people really wanted my family gone from Streator and got their way. Now I'm still waiting to see more of the born and raised step up to the plate to re-open the Majestic and some of the other many vacant downtown store fronts.
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Post by dog on May 16, 2015 16:42:08 GMT -6
Gee dog, my family includes more people than just my wife. Sorry, I thought your kids were grown and left the nest, and that it was only you and your wife.
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Post by greekgod on May 16, 2015 16:45:46 GMT -6
I'm not talking about how many people someone new here knows. I'm talking about that attitude that the born and raised here are somehow better, like those I mentioned, Tim, his local family and other friends, and others who support unscrupulous activities. Some people really wanted my family gone from Streator and got their way. Now I'm still waiting to see more of the born and raised step up to the plate to re-open the Majestic and some of the other many vacant downtown store fronts. Kyle, I'm sorry you failed. In my opinion you were a business man that invested and failed. That's the way it works in our system, sorry. Personally, I was not born in Streator, and I have earned a nice living, raised my children here and enjoyed making friends in our community for over 35 years. I know more than one successful business that individuals purchased in Streator and donate a lot of money back to our community that were not Streator born. How about Jerry Centoni? How about Bill Walsh? How about most of the physicians in Streator? Did we have to move here? I don't believe they did. I know I never heard of Kolacky, Haluski, Bovaka, the PNA, or derby's before moving to Streator. So what? Wonderful people live in Streator and the surrounding area. Hardworking people, factory workers, homemakers, office workers, business owners, and city, state and federal employees, beauticians, salespeople, those in the profession, the surrounding farmers. We also have a number of individuals that worked out of state that came back to their home town. How cool is that? So, I'm sorry you failed. No, I do not believe it was due to any lack of support from Streator residents, nor a "vendetta" of our "Elected Officials". In my own personal opinion, you made a bad business decision and failed. Oh, and we do not have to "Step Up" to save the Majestic Theatre, do we? When an individual with all your knowledge of the business could't do it, how can "common Steatorites, whether native born or those choosing to relocate here possible succeed. Sorry, you failed Kyle. I'm certain a man with you knowledge of movie theatres, aquaponics, city government, business, contract law, and human nature will be very successful someday........ somewhere. Perhaps it's time you removed "Majestic" from your name. Nah, it fits you! Just my honest opinion of course. Best of Luck in your future decisions. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 16, 2015 17:28:10 GMT -6
Kyle, I'm sorry you failed. In my opinion you were a business man that invested and failed. That's the way it works in our system, sorry. Personally, I was not born in Streator, and I have earned a nice living, raised my children here and enjoyed making friends in our community for over 35 years. I know more than one successful business that individuals purchased in Streator and donate a lot of money back to our community that were not Streator born. How about Jerry Centoni? How about Bill Walsh? How about most of the physicians in Streator? Did we have to move here? I don't believe they did. I know I never heard of Kolacky, Haluski, Bovaka, the PNA, or derby's before moving to Streator.So what? Wonderful people live in Streator and the surrounding area. Hardworking people, factory workers, homemakers, office workers, business owners, and city, state and federal employees, beauticians, salespeople, those in the profession, the surrounding farmers. We also have a number of individuals that worked out of state that came back to their home town. How cool is that? So, I'm sorry you failed. No, I do not believe it was due to any lack of support from Streator residents, nor a "vendetta" of our "Elected Officials". In my own personal opinion, you made a bad business decision and failed. Oh, and we do not have to "Step Up" to save the Majestic Theatre, do we? When an individual with all your knowledge of the business could't do it, how can "common Steatorites, whether native born or those choosing to relocate here possible succeed. Sorry, you failed Kyle. I'm certain a man with you knowledge of movie theatres, aquaponics, city government, business, contract law, and human nature will be very successful someday........ somewhere. Perhaps it's time you removed "Majestic" from your name. Nah, it fits you! Just my honest opinion of course. Best of Luck in your future decisions. g Gee greek, I had heard of most of those things before, but why don't you tell me more about the derby's? Are you referring to the illegal, untaxed gaming that is allowed to go on here and just competes unfairly with those who do follow the laws? Is it the same thing that allows that to go on that also allowed people to get over-served to the point that they beat each other up and urinate in the streets, substantiating and perpetuating the rough reputation that keeps people and there money away making more than just my business fail? Maybe they wouldn't have to keep raising property taxes and we could have family businesses like a movie palace if the businesses with the illegal gaming were just made to follow the laws, don't you think?
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Post by greekgod on May 16, 2015 18:32:57 GMT -6
Kyle, That was years ago. Why don't you tell us why you think you failed in a business when so many others have succeeded? Oh, and Star Ford is succeeding, and Bill Walsh is succeeding, I'm still succeeding. Local factories are hiring more than when you first moved here. Those are things you will not address, aren't they? In my opinion the only thing you will not address is why you failed. Sorry Kyle, Streator does not owe you as "out of town investor" any more than any investor born in Streator a chance to succeed or fail. I know you feel you were subjected to a "higher standard" than "locals" Hopefully, you will be more successful in your next investment. How many towns with the population have a successful "Theater Palace" in Illinois. Sorry, Kyle, in my opinion, you simply invested at wrong time, chose the wrong place and perhaps had to much confidence in your business acumen and choice of partners. Oh, wait. No, you suggest Streator Residents step up and "Save Your Dream". That's not the way business investments works Kyle. Move on. You owe us nothing, other than paying the property taxes. We certainly owe you nothing! g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 16, 2015 18:58:21 GMT -6
Kyle, That was years ago. Why don't you tell us why you think you failed in a business when so many others have succeeded? Oh, and Star Ford is succeeding, and Bill Walsh is succeeding, I'm still succeeding. Local factories are hiring more than when you first moved here. Those are things you will not address, aren't they? In my opinion the only thing you will not address is why you failed. Sorry Kyle, Streator does not owe you as "out of town investor" any more than any investor born in Streator a chance to succeed or fail. I know you feel you were subjected to a "higher standard" than "locals" Hopefully, you will be more successful in your next investment. How many towns with the population have a successful "Theater Palace" in Illinois. Sorry, Kyle, in my opinion, you simply invested at wrong time, chose the wrong place and perhaps had to much confidence in your business acumen and choice of partners. Oh, wait. No, you suggest Streator Residents step up and "Save Your Dream". That's not the way business investments works Kyle. Move on. You owe us nothing, other than paying the property taxes. We certainly owe you nothing! g Yes, a lot of people have moved on from Streator, haven't they? Isn't that why our population has continued to decline for such a long time? Do you think our City leaders see continually declining population as a good thing for Streator? Just because you and others including our City leaders tell me and others to move on, doesn't mean that we have to, does it? However, I think that quite a few people have already realized a long time ago that I have indeed moved on along with my family, despite my ability to continue to claim residency in Streator and certainly continue to voice my opinion about what does go on here. Isn't that cool? It's a good thing that you don't owe me anything, because I really don't think you have anything to offer me.
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Post by greekgod on May 16, 2015 19:04:21 GMT -6
Kyle, That was years ago. Why don't you tell us why you think you failed in a business when so many others have succeeded? Oh, and Star Ford is succeeding, and Bill Walsh is succeeding, I'm still succeeding. Local factories are hiring more than when you first moved here. Those are things you will not address, aren't they? In my opinion the only thing you will not address is why you failed. Sorry Kyle, Streator does not owe you as "out of town investor" any more than any investor born in Streator a chance to succeed or fail. I know you feel you were subjected to a "higher standard" than "locals" Hopefully, you will be more successful in your next investment. How many towns with the population have a successful "Theater Palace" in Illinois. Sorry, Kyle, in my opinion, you simply invested at wrong time, chose the wrong place and perhaps had to much confidence in your business acumen and choice of partners. Oh, wait. No, you suggest Streator Residents step up and "Save Your Dream". That's not the way business investments works Kyle. Move on. You owe us nothing, other than paying the property taxes. We certainly owe you nothing! g Yes, a lot of people have moved on from Streator, haven't they? Isn't that why our population has continued to declining for such a long time? Do you think our City leaders see continually declining population as a good thing for Streator? Just because you and others including our City leaders tell me and others to move on, doesn't mean that we have to, does it? However, I think that quite a few people have already realized a long time ago that I have indeed moved on along with my family, despite my ability to continue to claim residency in Streator and certainly continue to voice my opinion about what does go on here. Isn't that cool? It's a good thing that you don't owe me anything, because I really don't think you have anything to offer me.
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Post by greekgod on May 16, 2015 19:30:17 GMT -6
Yes, a lot of people have moved on from Streator, haven't they? Isn't that why our population has continued to declining for such a long time? Do you think our City leaders see continually declining population as a good thing for Streator? Just because you and others including our City leaders tell me and others to move on, doesn't mean that we have to, does it? However, I think that quite a few people have already realized a long time ago that I have indeed moved on along with my family, despite my ability to continue to claim residency in Streator and certainly continue to voice my opinion about what does go on here. Isn't that cool? It's a good thing that you don't owe me anything, because I really don't think you have anything to offer me. Kyle, Sorry, you are driven to put word in my mouth. 1. You cannot show one post I have made, or even the City leaders that suggest you to "move on" Can you? 2. So, you and your family have "moved on", out of the City of Streator, I do wish you success. 3. Of course you have the ability to "fail" again in any place you choose. That's the American way. 4. Oh, and it "cool" that you have your First Amendment right to bash away toward the community in which you apparently failed. Just my honest opinion. I'm certain your new location will recognize all you creative skill and knowledge of the City Ordinances, and you keen business acumen, your concern about how to make their community grow. Perhaps you can throw all your creative energy into growing the community in which you chose to relocate, rather than bashing the community in which you failed. Just My Opinion. Good Luck Kyle. g
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Post by greekgod on May 16, 2015 19:31:16 GMT -6
Yes, a lot of people have moved on from Streator, haven't they? Isn't that why our population has continued to declining for such a long time? Do you think our City leaders see continually declining population as a good thing for Streator? Just because you and others including our City leaders tell me and others to move on, doesn't mean that we have to, does it? However, I think that quite a few people have already realized a long time ago that I have indeed moved on along with my family, despite my ability to continue to claim residency in Streator and certainly continue to voice my opinion about what does go on here. Isn't that cool? It's a good thing that you don't owe me anything, because I really don't think you have anything to offer me. Kyle, Sorry, you are driven to put words in my mouth. 1. You cannot show one post I have made, or even the City leaders that suggest you to "move on". Can you? 2. So, you and your family have "moved on", out of the City of Streator, I do wish you success. 3. Of course you have the ability to "fail" again in any place you choose. That's the American way. 4. Oh, and it's "cool" that you have your First Amendment right to bash away toward the community of Streator, in which you apparently failed. Just my honest opinion. I'm certain your new location will recognize all your creative skills, and knowledge of the City Ordinances, and your keen business acumen, all your concerns about how to make their community grow. Perhaps you can throw all your creative energy into growing the community in which you chose to relocate, rather than bashing the community in which you failed. Just My Opinion. Good Luck Kyle. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 16, 2015 20:09:40 GMT -6
Kyle, Sorry, you are driven to put words in my mouth. 1. You cannot show one post I have made, or even the City leaders that suggest you to "move on". Can you? 2. So, you and your family have "moved on", out of the City of Streator, I do wish you success. 3. Of course you have the ability to "fail" again in any place you choose. That's the American way. 4. Oh, and it's "cool" that you have your First Amendment right to bash away toward the community of Streator, in which you apparently failed. Just my honest opinion. I'm certain your new location will recognize all your creative skills, and knowledge of the City Ordinances, and your keen business acumen, all your concerns about how to make their community grow. Perhaps you can throw all your creative energy into growing the community in which you chose to relocate, rather than bashing the community in which you failed. Just My Opinion. Good Luck Kyle. g Gee greek, how can you be so ridiculously nonsensical? It was just an hour ago that you posted Do you even think about what you are posting? You could easily enough search the newspaper's website to find a letter from Ed Benner telling me to just leave the community if I don't like the way that they do things. Do you think it is good for our community for our City leaders to encourage the declining population rather than listening to what the citizens want?
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