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Post by father of two on Oct 2, 2014 18:33:38 GMT -6
You can't replace them while they are negotiating. They are currently doing so with the district. If there were a strike then the district could consider hiring replacements. You would have to find over 100 people qualified to come in and cross the picket line. Negotiations can go on for a long time until either side declares an impasse. I certainly hope there isn't a strike and a contract gets done over time.
I also hope some members of the community step up and run. It's sad to see that most years there aren't enough candidates running to fill all the spots.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 2, 2014 18:39:40 GMT -6
I have no idea about what you do for a living, but classroom teachers of the kind I'm discussing have degrees in teaching and are subject to all kinds of licensure demands, etc..
My neighbor taught a course in woodworking at a community college with a lifetime of expertise in his craft and an 8th grade education to 6 students per semester. Are you equating that type of teaching versus high school AP physics, math, etc. or teaching 25 students, many of them extremely poverty stricken, have 1 parent in the home, are English language deficient - in either a K-5 or junior high setting? Orrrrr...are you telling us you are/were a fully certified and licensed Illinois teacher with a teaching degree in your field?
Don't bother answering.
[/font][/quote] There you go bub, we now have it, you don't want to engage. Actually, I hold a BSME, I hardly taught woodworking, try Math, Materials and Processes, and Physics. I am glad you brought up licensing, yea, that is a real good idea, IF you wish to limit competition. My fellow Engineers have been trying to do the same thing for years by eliminating the Industrial exemption......... Guess what? Yep, it will artificially raise salaries, and send even more US Engineering jobs to China or India. Should I hop right on board?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 2, 2014 18:41:54 GMT -6
Snipe, butters, and masked man.......looks like we have our three candidates. I'm outside city limits.
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Post by northsider on Oct 2, 2014 18:46:03 GMT -6
It's not a municipal election, it's for the grade school board.
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Post by roman on Oct 2, 2014 18:47:33 GMT -6
Although it has been debated for years, the issue of permanent replacement of teachers has never been litigated. In the private sector, an employer can replace economic strikers, but not strikers who are striking for unfair labor practices. In order to effect permanent replacements, the employer must send a warning letter to the employees telling them that if they do not return to work by a given date they will be permanently replaced. They must also be told that, if replaced, they will be placed on a preferential rehire list in the event of future vacancies.
Prior to the IELRA, striking teachers could be fired for striking. Today strikes are legal; before the IELRA they were illegal. However, even then, there were only two school districts that went through with firing: East Chicago Heights, Dist. 169 and a small grade school in DuPage County.
Although I was involved in strikes both before and after the effective date of the IELRA, I talked my clients out of either firing or attempting to permanently replace the teachers. Most teacher strikes sputter out in a short time. However, firing or permanently replacing teachers turns every ones attention from settling the strike. Instead, the situation ends up in lawsuits and unfair labor practice charges. The costs could be astronomical. More important, the hatred would persist for many years.
Apart from the issue of whether a school district today has the legal power to permanently replace teachers are the practical aspects. Even in the suburbs where there are many unemployed teachers, it is hard to get substitutes in a mere strike. In a small town, the problems and the lingering animosity would be much greater.
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Post by dog on Oct 2, 2014 19:06:33 GMT -6
It's not a municipal election, it's for the grade school board. Doesn't a candidate have to live in the district?
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Post by northsider on Oct 2, 2014 19:08:14 GMT -6
I would think so. Doesn't the school district extend beyond the city limits?
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Post by dog on Oct 2, 2014 19:17:46 GMT -6
I would think so. Doesn't the school district extend beyond the city limits? Yes, it does but I don't think Sniper is in the grade school district. Possibly the high school district though.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 3, 2014 6:47:28 GMT -6
It's not a municipal election, it's for the grade school board. OK, I'm not in the grade school district either........ You really don't want me on our district, I think our teachers are underpaid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 7:57:39 GMT -6
I'll run, I don't have problem saying what's on my mind we need to fix problems in district 44 we need to look out for our children. If we can get a board together that will look out for our children and work on getting our sports program working again and would work together fixing other problems If the board could or would work together It would make a difference . "LET'S SPEND MONEY WISELY NO MORE WASTING !" If I run and get elected I would stand up for what's right.
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Post by focus on Oct 3, 2014 8:04:09 GMT -6
People forget that running a school is a business. Revenue to expenditures. It's simple math.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 8:12:50 GMT -6
Focus you know our district is wasting money also we need to investigate why people are home schooling we need to overhaul a failing school system.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 11:22:48 GMT -6
I have no idea about what you do for a living, but classroom teachers of the kind I'm discussing have degrees in teaching and are subject to all kinds of licensure demands, etc..
My neighbor taught a course in woodworking at a community college with a lifetime of expertise in his craft and an 8th grade education to 6 students per semester. Are you equating that type of teaching versus high school AP physics, math, etc. or teaching 25 students, many of them extremely poverty stricken, have 1 parent in the home, are English language deficient - in either a K-5 or junior high setting? Orrrrr...are you telling us you are/were a fully certified and licensed Illinois teacher with a teaching degree in your field?
Don't bother answering.
[/font][/quote] There you go bub, we now have it, you don't want to engage. Actually, I hold a BSME, I hardly taught woodworking, try Math, Materials and Processes, and Physics. I am glad you brought up licensing, yea, that is a real good idea, IF you wish to limit competition. My fellow Engineers have been trying to do the same thing for years by eliminating the Industrial exemption......... Guess what? Yep, it will artificially raise salaries, and send even more US Engineering jobs to China or India. Should I hop right on board?[/quote][/p]
Sooo...you're a BSME version of my woodworking buddy...thought so...yawn...that's why your reply was a waste of your time. I'd like to see you teach a 1st grade class of 30 kids meeting one or more or all of these conditions: 12 with one parent in the home, 22 of them poverty stricken, 4 of them with learning disabilities, 6 of them with socio-emotional issues and the rest disinterested. You need to teach them to read, write, do math, science, art, do P.E., wipe their noses and otherwise deal with their fractured little lives. Your attitude towards teaching and teachers is worse than flawed, it's a reflection of both ignorance and arrogance. That's my last word on you and your teaching views.
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Post by dog on Oct 3, 2014 11:42:04 GMT -6
[/font][/quote] There you go bub, we now have it, you don't want to engage. Actually, I hold a BSME, I hardly taught woodworking, try Math, Materials and Processes, and Physics. I am glad you brought up licensing, yea, that is a real good idea, IF you wish to limit competition. My fellow Engineers have been trying to do the same thing for years by eliminating the Industrial exemption......... Guess what? Yep, it will artificially raise salaries, and send even more US Engineering jobs to China or India. Should I hop right on board?[/quote][/p]
Sooo...you're a BSME version of my woodworking buddy...thought so...yawn...that's why your reply was a waste of your time. I'd like to see you teach a 1st grade class of 30 kids meeting one or more or all of these conditions: 12 with one parent in the home, 22 of them poverty stricken, 4 of them with learning disabilities, 6 of them with socio-emotional issues and the rest disinterested. You need to teach them to read, write, do math, science, art, do P.E., wipe their noses and otherwise deal with their fractured little lives. Your attitude towards teaching and teachers is worse than flawed, it's a reflection of both ignorance and arrogance. That's my last word on you and your teaching views.
[/quote] It seems to me at least Sniper has done some teaching, even if wasnt with some of the conditions you listed above. I would agree that all of these things makes teaching a harder job. My question is,what really qualifies you to speak about this subject, while demeaning Sniper? Were you or are you a teacher? Did you have to teach under any of those conditions? I have friends, customers, and family that are teachers so I have some insight, but doesnt make me an expert on the subject. What makes you an expert?
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Post by roman on Oct 3, 2014 11:48:26 GMT -6
I taught at the undergraduate level when getting my MA. I have also taught at the high school and law school levels. As a director of a Demonstration Center For Gifted Students, I worked with all types of schools all over the state. I concluded early on that the most difficult and most important teaching is in the elementary schools.
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