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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 2, 2014 14:34:34 GMT -6
And therein lies the rub Butters, you know better than anyone else, a legend in your own mind.
Oh,let us exalt the omnipotent teaching profession, why they do things no mere mortal can accomplish............
More like you know the jig is coming to an end, and will do anything to keep the status-quo.
I DO know squat, and it scares you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:43:43 GMT -6
And therein lies the rub Butters, you know better than anyone else, a legend in your own mind. Oh,let us exalt the omnipotent teaching profession, why they do things no mere mortal can accomplish............ More like you know the jig is coming to an end, and will do anything to keep the status-quo. I DO know squat, and it scares you. You don't have an effing clue as to what really goes on in a classroom and what is required. You're a blowhard on this subject, it's quite obvious. You stated above that I will do anything to keep the status quo. Nonsense...you can't get blood out of a turnip. The well's gone dry.
Just cut the teacher-hater crap...it's demeaning to them and embarrassing for you.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 2, 2014 15:18:04 GMT -6
Butters, the only thing I don't have a clue about is how they instill such self importance in people like you.
Reminds me of the joke about which body part is more important.....they all argued amongst themselves, but the butt just sat there clenched and silent........
As to what goes on in a classroom? I managed to teach at FCCJ, didn't get fired, my students learned quite well, and I had a hoot at the same time.
Yea, it is a difficult life........
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Post by father of two on Oct 2, 2014 15:41:07 GMT -6
But yet Butterbean you don't offer what you think is fair compensation for a teacher these days.
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Post by roman on Oct 2, 2014 15:53:10 GMT -6
Teachers in Streator receive far too much gaff about student achievement levels.
Our son lives in Hinsdale, a community where both the high schools and the elementary schools consistently rank near the top of state test scores, evaluations, etc. Granted, they have good teachers; but, they have some other advantages. The kids go home to houses where there are often hundreds of books and always plenty of food. Their parents value education and can really help with homework or hire tutors.
Compare a couple of telling facts about Streator and Hinsdale.
HINSDALE
Bachelor's degree or higher: 75.3%
Graduate or professional degree: 37.5
Estimated median house or condo value in 2012: $761,146
STREATOR
Bachelor’s degree or higher: 10,1%
Graduate or professional degree: 3.1
All housing units: $84,874; Detached houses: $86,252; Townhouses or other attached units: $50,871; In 2-unit structures: $91,229; In 3-to-4-unit structures: $157,136; In 5-or-more-unit structures: $121,569; Mobile homes: $38,251
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 16:20:00 GMT -6
Butters, the only thing I don't have a clue about is how they instill such self importance in people like you. Reminds me of the joke about which body part is more important.....they all argued amongst themselves, but the butt just sat there clenched and silent........ As to what goes on in a classroom? I managed to teach at FCCJ, didn't get fired, my students learned quite well, and I had a hoot at the same time. Yea, it is a difficult life........ I have no idea about what you do for a living, but classroom teachers of the kind I'm discussing have degrees in teaching and are subject to all kinds of licensure demands, etc..
My neighbor taught a course in woodworking at a community college with a lifetime of expertise in his craft and an 8th grade education to 6 students per semester. Are you equating that type of teaching versus high school AP physics, math, etc. or teaching 25 students, many of them extremely poverty stricken, have 1 parent in the home, are English language deficient - in either a K-5 or junior high setting? Orrrrr...are you telling us you are/were a fully certified and licensed Illinois teacher with a teaching degree in your field?
Don't bother answering.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 16:22:42 GMT -6
But yet Butterbean you don't offer what you think is fair compensation for a teacher these days. As much as we can afford to pay them...that figure cuts both ways, now doesn't it?
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Post by focus on Oct 2, 2014 16:53:35 GMT -6
FOT, Please do not retire. We need people to stay in these positions that have a clue on the laws and regulations. The unions bank on many new faces that will run because they will be clueless for some time. The majority of people do not realize all of the laws that are written into the Illinois state constitution protecting teacher's rights and benefits. The constitution can only be opened up every 20 years to make changes. In 2008 it was on a referendum but once again people were clueless on how to vote. It is a sad state for district #44 and other school districts. But I put much blame on the staff that refuse to give and only expect more. Only 13 states can strike and of course Illinois is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 17:00:22 GMT -6
FOT, Please do not retire. We need people to stay in these positions that have a clue on the laws and regulations. The unions bank on many new faces that will run because they will be clueless for some time. The majority of people do not realize all of the laws that are written into the Illinois state constitution protecting teacher's rights and benefits. The constitution can only be opened up every 20 years to make changes. In 2008 it was on a referendum but once again people were clueless on how to vote. It is a sad state for district #44 and other school districts. But I put much blame on the staff that refuse to give and only expect more. Only 13 states can strike and of course Illinois is one of them. Can school districts warn striking teachers to go back to work and then replace them if they don't comply? Anybody know how that would work LOCALLY?
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Post by oldtimer on Oct 2, 2014 17:08:09 GMT -6
FOT, Please do not retire. We need people to stay in these positions that have a clue on the laws and regulations. The unions bank on many new faces that will run because they will be clueless for some time. The majority of people do not realize all of the laws that are written into the Illinois state constitution protecting teacher's rights and benefits. The constitution can only be opened up every 20 years to make changes. In 2008 it was on a referendum but once again people were clueless on how to vote. It is a sad state for district #44 and other school districts. But I put much blame on the staff that refuse to give and only expect more. Only 13 states can strike and of course Illinois is one of them. Get willy on the board. He will negotiate the next contract...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 17:23:18 GMT -6
As much as we can afford to pay them...that figure cuts both ways, now doesn't it? We are millions of dollars in debt. We can't afford much. If we really paid what we could afford, we would be finding new minimums on the scale, yet no one is suggesting that. As for skillsets, lots of people need a much wider set of skills. Farmers come to mind. Part mechanic, part welder, part sales, part machinist, part chemical applicator, part veterinarian, part bookkeeper/accountant. Has to have ever more computer skills and the technology advances are truly unbelievable. So is all the government mandated compliances. It's really pretty overwhelming the knowledge and skills they have to posses, both working with their hands and using their heads. Nurses deal with life and death stuff all the time. Give out the wrong meds, even the wrong food to the wrong person and someone dies....and then a huge lawsuit...... I don't mean to downplay the importance of Teachers, but really....you need to get over yourself. It's important, very important.....but there are a LOT of professions that are important. The guy operating the Vactor is important........you want a bunch of backed up sewers? The guys out there working with their hands are important. The lineman working for Com-Ed when it is below zero and half the town is without power......pretty darn important.(how much is THAT guy worth?) The guys plowing our streets after a major storm......important. The list is endless. You just have to have a healthy appreciation for all the folks out there doing their jobs and not be so narrowly focused on just one profession. This discussion is about teachers...idiot. I need to "get over" myself because I'm not a teacher-hater like you?
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Post by northsider on Oct 2, 2014 17:30:25 GMT -6
Snipe, butters, and masked man.......looks like we have our three candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 17:34:11 GMT -6
Snipe, butters, and masked man.......looks like we have our three candidates. Thanks for the usual degraded input, greekstyle Junior.
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Post by father of two on Oct 2, 2014 17:54:38 GMT -6
The contract has expired. Both sides agree to continue to work under terms of the old contract. You cannot replace teachers during this time. In the case of a strike you could possibly but would have to find teachers who would cross a picket line. Not an option in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 18:08:29 GMT -6
The contract has expired. Both sides agree to continue to work under terms of the old contract. You cannot replace teachers during this time. In the case of a strike you could possibly but would have to find teachers who would cross a picket line. Not an option in my opinion. Huh? You can or you can't. Which is it?
Let's say they strike. The board tells them they need to be teaching in their classrooms the day after tomorrow or they can turn their keys into the administration building while custodians box up the personal effects in the classroom they previously taught in.
Get some balls or give in to the teacher demands. Tell 'em "what time it is" and then pull the trigger. If the teachers' jobs are on the line, they'll cross the silly-ass picket lines.
Now...can you tell 'em to get back in their classroom or be fired...orrrrr...do the negotiations move on to another step automatically...by state statute?
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