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Post by dog on Aug 7, 2014 11:42:15 GMT -6
So I have to ask, how are you and Mr. Wrighton connected? Sometimes when I read your posts with your broken English, I think you are an Indian and are from over there. In this post you state: " If we don't act now and take it up with the Council, it will be too late" which suggests you are a Streator resident. I don't care to know your name, but a little more info might lend you some more credibility, along with some more factual information, and not just links and quotes from blog posts. Lavasa and Streator are worlds apart both in how they are run and geographically. If you can produce facts where he didn't do the job he was hired to do, and he, himself a convicted of breaking any laws, I would be more than happy to see them. I am sorry but blog posts aren't going to cut it for me. Careful lavinv, requests for personal information are likely motivated to launch attacks. Wait until he asks about your education to compare to his to try to make it out as if you are not educated enough to understand what he says, when in reality it is just cesspool fill. How many of you know that Scot Wrighton is facing a Criminal Trial in India and is currently out on bail. A warrant was issued to him after he failed to turn up in the Court. After the warrant he was forced to appear before the judge. Very serious Criminal Charges against him. Welcome new member. My name is Kyle Mitchell. I am not a big business man, but took chances on opening a couple of businesses here in Streator. I have been asking voters for years to elect new leaders here because I feel that we have very poor conditions for businesses to survive here. Please see me blog on this forum (Kyle's Blog, Why Streator Needs New Leaders) for more details. There is interesting conversation there about Mr. Wrighton and what caused the conditions behind Mr. Reji Thomas tweeting the information that you posted here. Could you possibly be Mr. Thomas? We are very interested in more details on the situation. What can you tell us about Mr. Wrighton's conduct as City Manager for Lavasa and the shutting down of your business in their development? Please share your information. As some of the strong defenders of the City of Streator's actions have already backed down from standing up to what I talk about and have vowed not to respond on my blog, you may get less attacks posting the information there, however there are 007's immature attempts to block free speech there. Please though, I look forward to your posts. Its funny, when I ask him for more info, you give him the big warning about me. But earlier, you asked him personal questions and asked for more details. I could see it being a bit confusing for him, on whether he should give out facts or not, based on your posts. I am all for more details and facts. I havent seen too many of them yet. I hope he shares more than just blog posts and opinions. He asked some very good questions earlier and made some accusations too. Like I said, I would like to see a little more factual information, rather than blog posts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 12:26:58 GMT -6
I figure a job like his would require a background check to get hired.So if the Mayor and city council did their job they should know about anything troublesome in his past.. ....We are far removed from the days of Ted Bakalar and Richard J Daley I believe. Aren't we?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 7, 2014 12:44:08 GMT -6
I have no idea why Kyle is out to get Mr. Wrighton already. Perhaps you will notice that I didn't respond to this thread for several days after it started, with others attacking the council's choice and even then I was not really attacking Mr. Wrighton. I took some time to read about him in the paper and on-line before talking about the situation and asking questions. I think it was his statement of being fed up with Mayors and Councilors that made the biggest impression on me. Mayors and Councilors are the only elected officials in many local governments including ours. FOT corrected me for saying that ours represent the people of Streator, but I still think that they should. I feel that as our only elected officials, they should be the voice of the people. Mr. Wrighton didn't seem to be saying that he is fed up with any specific ones, but just Mayors and Councilors in general. It struck me as if he is fed up with having to deal with the voice of the public and just prefers to have right-less subjects beneath him. Then there is the negative business related baggage, whether all true or not, it is clear to me that a business owner does not feel that he was treated properly. I think he may be used to ruling a medieval monarchy type of society with over-restrictive rules against businesses and that it may be difficult for him to adjust to allowing for our civil rights and to project a more business inviting perception for our community. Our Mayor says that Mr. Wrighton was the only candidate seriously considered. The position wasn't even advertised. It seems to me that they should have explored the options more to give Streator the best chance to head in a better direction.
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Post by father of two on Aug 7, 2014 13:12:38 GMT -6
Did it occur to anyone besides me that maybe Mr. Wrighton chose to leave India because he didn't like the way his employers wanted things done and how the citizens have no say?
I can see so many things wrong with this planned community. Unlike the people who have bought and invested in homes and businesses he can leave without penalty.
I can't understand why Mr. Thomas would want to have his contract renewed and is going through a legal process to do do if it is so bad. I would say good riddance and run away fast and take the loss of my investment.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 7, 2014 14:34:00 GMT -6
Did it occur to anyone besides me that maybe Mr. Wrighton chose to leave India because he didn't like the way his employers wanted things done and how the citizens have no say? I can see so many things wrong with this planned community. Unlike the people who have bought and invested in homes and businesses he can leave without penalty. I can't understand why Mr. Thomas would want to have his contract renewed and is going through a legal process to do do if it is so bad. I would say good riddance and run away fast and take the loss of my investment. It occurred to me that if he didn't like the way things were done that maybe he should have left before he created such negative baggage to bring to another community. You make it sound s simple. How do you know that he can leave without penalty? How many businesses have you opened? Do you know that many times it requires a huge financial investment to open a business and many times loans are required? It is easy for you to say that you would just walk away, but would it be as easy to just walk away and forget it if you had to spend the next couple of decades paying off the costs of the business venture after things were not as presented to you in the beginning, or as they should be? We don't have all of the details so we don't know exactly what happened, but it is pretty clear to me that the business owner does not feel that he was treated fair by Mr. Wrighton. That is very concerning to me and with the lack of business here, I think it should be to others as well.
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Post by 007 on Aug 7, 2014 15:44:49 GMT -6
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Post by roman on Aug 7, 2014 17:34:31 GMT -6
Some days it rains; on other days it does not rain.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 8, 2014 7:34:04 GMT -6
Rather than wasting time getting into personal attacks, shouldn't we just get together and check the veracity of Scot's credentials and how his presence will affect everyone in Streator. Present the points to the Council and let's see how they respond, after all they are collectively responsible for our well-being and should be doing everything in our interest. That sounds like a good idea. I think there is a Council meeting on Tuesday at 1:30. We could meet somewhere before to discuss it. I will need you to supply the proof of your claims beforehand though. It doesn't happen too often, but I do agree with dog, that some blog posts don't provide enough proof for things like your claims of "criminal". The Toronto Star quoting him as saying that he is fed up with Mayors and Councilors is something that we can have much confidence in as being accurate. Even the OpenDemocracy.net article about creating subjects carries weight. The claims of civil rights abuses from multiple posters on multiple sites gives us a good idea of how people were actually treated. However rallying with you to calling him an Indian court criminal will require the proof that has been requested.
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Post by dog on Aug 8, 2014 11:44:08 GMT -6
Rather than wasting time getting into personal attacks, shouldn't we just get together and check the veracity of Scot's credentials and how his presence will affect everyone in Streator. Present the points to the Council and let's see how they respond, after all they are collectively responsible for our well-being and should be doing everything in our interest. That sounds like a good idea. I think there is a Council meeting on Tuesday at 1:30. We could meet somewhere before to discuss it. I will need you to supply the proof of your claims beforehand though. It doesn't happen too often, but I do agree with dog, that some blog posts don't provide enough proof for things like your claims of "criminal". The Toronto Star quoting him as saying that he is fed up with Mayors and Councilors is something that we can have much confidence in as being accurate. Even the OpenDemocracy.net article about creating subjects carries weight. The claims of civil rights abuses from multiple posters on multiple sites gives us a good idea of how people were actually treated. However rallying with you to calling him an Indian court criminal will require the proof that has been requested. We actually do agree on many things but disagree on specifics, but that is in the past. I am confident too that he probably said he was fed up with mayors and concillers. That was back in 2008. Maybe after seeing that the grass wasnt greener on the other side and with the position in Streator becoming vacant, he had the opportunity to pursue a previous life path. You like to take the cynical path when it comes to Streator government. You think he is running FROM something, but I prefer to be optimistic and believe he is running TO something. I am not so much worried about the alleged rights abuses unless I see factual evidence that laws were broken. If you look at Lavasa from the corporation standpoint, I would believe that many rights would be curtailed, just like many rights we have cant be exercised if we worked for someone else. We would have no right to take a gun to work if the corporation said it wasnt allowed. We would have no vote in the management of a corporation if it werent allowed. I have no doubt that the people who are there are treated like subjects. But that is what they are: they are subject to the leaders of the corporation, just like we are subject to the leadership of our corporations if we are employed by them. They can choose to leave, just like we can choose to leave. Does it suck? You bet it does. Thats why I am my own boss, so I am not subject to the rules of a private corporation. Does his actions sound heartless and unfriendly, yeah. Is he strict about enforcing the rules of the corporation, heck yeah! I hope he would have the same determination to enforce the rules of Streator, as he does there, so as to let people know that breaking the law will not be tolerated. Please lavasinvestor(lavinv), I am all for knowing the truth, give us some factual information where he broke the law there.
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Post by roman on Aug 8, 2014 13:49:12 GMT -6
That sounds like a good idea. I think there is a Council meeting on Tuesday at 1:30. We could meet somewhere before to discuss it. I will need you to supply the proof of your claims beforehand though. It doesn't happen too often, but I do agree with dog, that some blog posts don't provide enough proof for things like your claims of "criminal". The Toronto Star quoting him as saying that he is fed up with Mayors and Councilors is something that we can have much confidence in as being accurate. Even the OpenDemocracy.net article about creating subjects carries weight. The claims of civil rights abuses from multiple posters on multiple sites gives us a good idea of how people were actually treated. However rallying with you to calling him an Indian court criminal will require the proof that has been requested. We actually do agree on many things but disagree on specifics, but that is in the past. I am confident too that he probably said he was fed up with mayors and concillers. That was back in 2008. Maybe after seeing that the grass wasnt greener on the other side and with the position in Streator becoming vacant, he had the opportunity to pursue a previous life path. You like to take the cynical path when it comes to Streator government. You think he is running FROM something, but I prefer to be optimistic and believe he is running TO something. I am not so much worried about the alleged rights abuses unless I see factual evidence that laws were broken. If you look at Lavasa from the corporation standpoint, I would believe that many rights would be curtailed, just like many rights we have cant be exercised if we worked for someone else. We would have no right to take a gun to work if the corporation said it wasnt allowed. We would have no vote in the management of a corporation if it werent allowed. I have no doubt that the people who are there are treated like subjects. But that is what they are: they are subject to the leaders of the corporation, just like we are subject to the leadership of our corporations if we are employed by them. They can choose to leave, just like we can choose to leave. Does it suck? You bet it does. Thats why I am my own boss, so I am not subject to the rules of a private corporation. Does his actions sound heartless and unfriendly, yeah. Is he strict about enforcing the rules of the corporation, heck yeah! I hope he would have the same determination to enforce the rules of Streator, as he does there, so as to let people know that breaking the law will not be tolerated. Please lavasinvestor(lavinv), I am all for knowing the truth, give us some factual information where he broke the law there. ان لوگوں کو نہیں معلوم کہ وہ بات کر رہے ہیں
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Post by oldtimer on Aug 8, 2014 14:06:08 GMT -6
Did it occur to anyone besides me that maybe Mr. Wrighton chose to leave India because he didn't like the way his employers wanted things done and how the citizens have no say? I can see so many things wrong with this planned community. Unlike the people who have bought and invested in homes and businesses he can leave without penalty. I can't understand why Mr. Thomas would want to have his contract renewed and is going through a legal process to do do if it is so bad. I would say good riddance and run away fast and take the loss of my investment. It occurred to me that if he didn't like the way things were done that maybe he should have left before he created such negative baggage to bring to another community. You make it sound s simple. How do you know that he can leave without penalty? How many businesses have you opened? Do you know that many times it requires a huge financial investment to open a business and many times loans are required? It is easy for you to say that you would just walk away, but would it be as easy to just walk away and forget it if you had to spend the next couple of decades paying off the costs of the business venture after things were not as presented to you in the beginning, or as they should be? We don't have all of the details so we don't know exactly what happened, but it is pretty clear to me that the business owner does not feel that he was treated fair by Mr. Wrighton. That is very concerning to me and with the lack of business here, I think it should be to others as well. Majesticmitchell typed: "It occurred to me that if he didn't like the way things were done that maybe he should have left before he created such negative baggage to bring to another community." This statement from a man who came to this community with a bunch of sorry baggage AND a man who will leave here with even more sorry baggage to take to another community.
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Post by roman on Aug 8, 2014 14:38:27 GMT -6
ان لوگوں کو نہیں معلوم کہ وہ بات کر رہے ہیں
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 8, 2014 16:34:47 GMT -6
It occurred to me that if he didn't like the way things were done that maybe he should have left before he created such negative baggage to bring to another community. You make it sound s simple. How do you know that he can leave without penalty? How many businesses have you opened? Do you know that many times it requires a huge financial investment to open a business and many times loans are required? It is easy for you to say that you would just walk away, but would it be as easy to just walk away and forget it if you had to spend the next couple of decades paying off the costs of the business venture after things were not as presented to you in the beginning, or as they should be? We don't have all of the details so we don't know exactly what happened, but it is pretty clear to me that the business owner does not feel that he was treated fair by Mr. Wrighton. That is very concerning to me and with the lack of business here, I think it should be to others as well. Majesticmitchell typed: "It occurred to me that if he didn't like the way things were done that maybe he should have left before he created such negative baggage to bring to another community." This statement from a man who came to this community with a bunch of sorry baggage AND a man who will leave here with even more sorry baggage to take to another community. I was content with wrapping up this conversation, but oldtimer obviously wants to hear more of what I have to say. Yes, I used my sorry baggage to open a movie palace that had been nothing but a vacant, boarded up building for decades. You and others including our City leaders seem very eager for me to leave so that you can see another vacant building, like it was for many years before I came. Decreasing population and vacant buildings is what they work so hard for and obviously from looking around they have been very successful. There is a big difference between an insignificant person like me having baggage and such a highly paid representative of our City having so much negative baggage. This person with civil rights abuses and negative business relationships following him here to Streator is much more detrimental to our community than any private citizen's baggage ever could be. My baggage doesn't really effect citizens at all. The City Manager position comes with great power over the citizens of the community. People thinking of moving to Streator or trying to decide whether to stay here or not could very well be worried about whether or not Mr. Wrighton will respect their civil rights and treat them properly after seemingly not honoring them at his last job. Perspective business owners will have to wonder if they too will get treated as poorly as Mr. Thomas seems to feel he was treated and may decide that it is not worth taking the risk. Yes, I think there is a big difference between someone like me having some baggage and a person in a very powerful position in the City government having so much and such negative baggage. I really think that we need to elect some new leaders, so that the very poor choices that they make don't keep sending us in the direction of declining business and population, like they have been. I'm happy to keep talking about it if you want to keep the conversation going oldtimer.
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Post by dive61364 on Aug 8, 2014 17:07:09 GMT -6
ان لوگوں کو نہیں معلوم کہ وہ بات کر رہے ہیں these people don't know what they are talking about.............
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Post by roman on Aug 8, 2014 17:30:36 GMT -6
ان لوگوں کو نہیں معلوم کہ وہ بات کر رہے ہیں these people don't know what they are talking about............. مجھے خوشی ہوگی کہ کوئی اردو سمجھتا ہے. اسکولوں کو یہاں اچھی ہے
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