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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 5, 2015 7:29:52 GMT -6
Who pays the Sacci chief & how much? God you're an idiot. You come on here and talk about the uneducated people in this town and then you ask this question? Well Hello oldtimer, did you come here to check up on your thread? I started it because of the way that you ran off Jude. Coming from you, isn't being called an idiot nothing but a compliment? Did you notice some of the positive changes in the air here? Isn't it grand that our City leaders are finally discussing solutions for better enforcement of the bar problems downtown? With more of the right changes Anything could be Possible, don't you agree?
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Post by cityslicker on Jun 5, 2015 10:53:17 GMT -6
Old, thanks for he the warm comment. You typed your weak thoughts & time for you to be turned so you don't get bedsores. I am still wondering if the Sacci chief is worth his wages.? He will probably want a raise for extra duties involved with money pit armory.
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Post by oldtimer on Jun 5, 2015 12:13:52 GMT -6
Old, thanks for he the warm comment. You typed your weak thoughts & time for you to be turned so you don't get bedsores. I am still wondering if the Sacci chief is worth his wages.? He will probably want a raise for extra duties involved with money pit armory. Yes, because it's the chambers job to maintain the armory, right?
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Post by otto on Jun 5, 2015 22:30:31 GMT -6
I wanted to get in on this conversation a long time ago and now it has evolved into only God knows what...But anyway, I'll give ya 25cents worth of my thoughts. I really miss the politics and police and fire station and the way things were handled back about 45 years ago. Ya know, if ya had a problem with someone pissin in the street, the cop, maybe someone like Jackson or Decker would come up to you and with his nightstick maybe give ya a couple of light taps upside the head and ask ya just what the hell did you think you were doing and to please refrain from exposing yourself like this again. and usually that was all it took. Sure, things sometime take a turn in the wrong direction and the moron ends up sleepin it off in the jailhouse and goes home the next. No serious harm done. Are they "Criminals"? Hell no.....just some knuckleheads that don't what to do witrh themselves when they get too much firewater in themselves. It just seems that police departments are just way to quick to file criminal charges on silly things and then what may have once been mr upright citizen is now labeled a "CRIMINAL!!!" Sometimes ya just gotta sit back and watch and see how things are doing and see which direction they are gonna play out. The days of Hoggie hangin out at Stacy's poolhall, The laundromat across from the llini social club. Goin into Washko's while Mom washed clothes. Hamburger Inn, Sip-n-bite with the juke box at every table. What a life it was. Real Joes Pizza....what a character. 3 foot long bag of popcorn from Murphy's for 25cents before you went into the Plumb to see the movie. And the business signs with all the beautiful neon hanging over the street so it could be seen by anyone driving through town. The legislators do what they do best....make more d**n laws and regulate the life right out of downtown. God I miss old time Streator. Big Betty's in the morning after the bars closed. Man, those greasy bacon and eggs and toast tasted so good after a belly full of beer. I could go on and on.......but you get the idea.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 6, 2015 21:47:10 GMT -6
I wanted to get in on this conversation a long time ago and now it has evolved into only God knows what...But anyway, I'll give ya 25cents worth of my thoughts. I really miss the politics and police and fire station and the way things were handled back about 45 years ago. Ya know, if ya had a problem with someone pissin in the street, the cop, maybe someone like Jackson or Decker would come up to you and with his nightstick maybe give ya a couple of light taps upside the head and ask ya just what the hell did you think you were doing and to please refrain from exposing yourself like this again. and usually that was all it took. Sure, things sometime take a turn in the wrong direction and the moron ends up sleepin it off in the jailhouse and goes home the next. No serious harm done. Are they "Criminals"? Hell no.....just some knuckleheads that don't what to do witrh themselves when they get too much firewater in themselves. It just seems that police departments are just way to quick to file criminal charges on silly things and then what may have once been mr upright citizen is now labeled a "CRIMINAL!!!" Sometimes ya just gotta sit back and watch and see how things are doing and see which direction they are gonna play out. The days of Hoggie hangin out at Stacy's poolhall, The laundromat across from the llini social club. Goin into Washko's while Mom washed clothes. Hamburger Inn, Sip-n-bite with the juke box at every table. What a life it was. Real Joes Pizza....what a character. 3 foot long bag of popcorn from Murphy's for 25cents before you went into the Plumb to see the movie. And the business signs with all the beautiful neon hanging over the street so it could be seen by anyone driving through town. The legislators do what they do best....make more d**n laws and regulate the life right out of downtown. God I miss old time Streator. Big Betty's in the morning after the bars closed. Man, those greasy bacon and eggs and toast tasted so good after a belly full of beer. I could go on and on.......but you get the idea. Do you really think that having individual officers decide who they think deserves violence inflicted upon them and how much, is a good thing? Doesn't that just go against the Constitutional Rights that many have paid a huge price to provide us? Do you really think that violence is a good solution? Since there seems to be so many "knuckleheads here who don't know what to do with themselves when the get yoo much firewater in themselves", maybe we should have a firewater commission who controls licenses of those places allowed to serve firewater to make sure that people don't get served too much firewater so often, don't you think?
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Post by chevypower on Jun 7, 2015 17:21:45 GMT -6
They would hang a Horse thief back in the days, and our system now is very flawed and corrupt.
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Post by otto on Jun 7, 2015 18:00:58 GMT -6
I wanted to get in on this conversation a long time ago and now it has evolved into only God knows what...But anyway, I'll give ya 25cents worth of my thoughts. I really miss the politics and police and fire station and the way things were handled back about 45 years ago. Ya know, if ya had a problem with someone pissin in the street, the cop, maybe someone like Jackson or Decker would come up to you and with his nightstick maybe give ya a couple of light taps upside the head and ask ya just what the hell did you think you were doing and to please refrain from exposing yourself like this again. and usually that was all it took. Sure, things sometime take a turn in the wrong direction and the moron ends up sleepin it off in the jailhouse and goes home the next. No serious harm done. Are they "Criminals"? Hell no.....just some knuckleheads that don't what to do witrh themselves when they get too much firewater in themselves. It just seems that police departments are just way to quick to file criminal charges on silly things and then what may have once been mr upright citizen is now labeled a "CRIMINAL!!!" Sometimes ya just gotta sit back and watch and see how things are doing and see which direction they are gonna play out. The days of Hoggie hangin out at Stacy's poolhall, The laundromat across from the llini social club. Goin into Washko's while Mom washed clothes. Hamburger Inn, Sip-n-bite with the juke box at every table. What a life it was. Real Joes Pizza....what a character. 3 foot long bag of popcorn from Murphy's for 25cents before you went into the Plumb to see the movie. And the business signs with all the beautiful neon hanging over the street so it could be seen by anyone driving through town. The legislators do what they do best....make more d**n laws and regulate the life right out of downtown. God I miss old time Streator. Big Betty's in the morning after the bars closed. Man, those greasy bacon and eggs and toast tasted so good after a belly full of beer. I could go on and on.......but you get the idea. Do you really think that having individual officers decide who they think deserves violence inflicted upon them and how much, is a good thing? Doesn't that just go against the Constitutional Rights that many have paid a huge price to provide us? Do you really think that violence is a good solution? Since there seems to be so many "knuckleheads here who don't know what to do with themselves when the get yoo much firewater in themselves", maybe we should have a firewater commission who controls licenses of those places allowed to serve firewater to make sure that people don't get served too much firewater so often, don't you think? Well Mr. Mitchell.....one phrase that comes to mind is "You ain't from around here....are ya?". Streator ain't perfect....but then just where is that perfect place that you talk of? You know, the one with big brother watching you from every angle from every city block. Sounds like Californy to me. Jeesh! Why don't ya head on out if you don't like what's here. That's the trouble with progress....too many progressives get involved. Next thing ya know, Utopia is on the way with all the bills and tax increases to pay for it. Problem is, the list of taxpayers keeps gettin smaller and smaller and the few that are left to pay keep on payin more and more until they fall into that bracket of not havin enough left to further themselves so they throw the towel in and just join the ranks of the rest of the welfarers, jobless and linkcarders. Streator is what it is and pounding on the keys of your computer isn't going to change it. In my mind, the only thing that could change the course of Streator at this point in time would be an announcement that a major auto manufacturer was coming to town that would eventually employ thousands. That would change our heading. But, I am sure that I will never see that in my lifetime.....and you won't either. And as for government helping out, well, the only thing that government helps out is it's own.....on your back! Candidly, I really feel sorry for the upcoming generations and what a frickin mess we are leaving them. Pardon me while I step out the back door, but I gotta go and the bathroom is full.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 7, 2015 20:55:08 GMT -6
Timeouts are much preferred, right? Maybe it would be a lot better to give them a stern look and a wagging finger and make them promise to never do it again Dr. Spock. It's no wonder this Country is going down the tubes. You don't think grievances were settled with fists back in Colonial times? Think again. They had duels to the death over relatively petty things like loss of face and insulting words. You think if someone got caught stealing another person's property (a hog for instance) it would go to the Judicial system? Do you think the 'system' we have now is superior? The City of Streator doesn't even give the knuckleheads who don't know what to do with themselves timeouts, stern looks or a wagging finger, instead they go after the people asking for better for our community. Our judicial system is part of our current government, duels and other colonial ways of handling things are not. If our laws are actually written and enforced properly, then yes I do think it is a superior system to individuals deciding who they think deserves what physical violence inflicted on them. If you think that a system of duels and one person deciding to take another person's life because they suspect that they had stolen a hog, then you should campsign to have our government changed and the Constitution thrown out (like some if our City leaders seem to have already done).
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Post by dog on Jun 8, 2015 6:15:17 GMT -6
How's the new Flips doing?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 8, 2015 6:28:05 GMT -6
Timeouts are much preferred, right? Maybe it would be a lot better to give them a stern look and a wagging finger and make them promise to never do it again Dr. Spock. It's no wonder this Country is going down the tubes. You don't think grievances were settled with fists back in Colonial times? Think again. They had duels to the death over relatively petty things like loss of face and insulting words. You think if someone got caught stealing another person's property (a hog for instance) it would go to the Judicial system? Do you think the 'system' we have now is superior? Aren't the gangs settling their grievances over who controls the rights to the lucrative drug market here using a system similar to what you are talking about? Did you really ask me if I think the judicisl system we have now (even with its flaws) is superior to drug dealers dueling in our streets to decide who gets to kill our children? If our leaders would have our laws enforced properly, as I have been asking for years, our system would be much better, but our broken system is absolutely superior to what the thugs are doing to our community, don't you think?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 10, 2015 6:00:02 GMT -6
Well, I'm not surprised that the license holders are fighting to keep things from changing here, it's too bad that they didn't seem to present any type of solution for the problems. At least now our City Council is talking some about it.
I am happy to see that the Mayor acknowledged that the number of calls is increasing, indicating that the problems have been getting even worse than what they were in the past, as opposed to glossing over the issue.
I think that the bar owners should get it together and come up with a solution to the increasing problems their establishments are creating in our downtown making it very difficult for us to have things like a family movie theatre. If they don't our liquor commissioners should discontinue their apparent rubber stamping policy of annual approval of the licenses. There seem to be many others ready to see if they can be responsible liquor license holders here.
The Streator City Council met Tuesday in a Committee of the Whole meeting to discuss the alcoholic beverages code, with some liquor license holders in attendance.
The council came to a consensus not to raise the liquor license fee from $1,000 to $1,500 as was previously suggested, but before doing so, Mayor Jimmie Lansford asked bar owners what they could do to reduce the increasing number of police calls made to their establishments.
"I think we all know when trouble walks in your door, how do you get them out as quickly as possible," Lansford said to the owners. "(It) would help us more than anything if charges were pressed (by bar owners). That doesn't happen."
A survey of area communities showed Streator's existing liquor license fee is higher than many others. The revenue from the increased fees would have gone into the general fund and would not have been used for increased monitoring measures.
The council also agreed to keep a cap on the number of liquor licenses available to 58 over four categories.
"Historically, the numbers we have has met the needs of the community well," Lansford said. "It's only been an issue with the video gaming. We all know the state can take that away anytime. Myself, I think we have the right categories and right numbers. They're not wanting licenses for taverns; they're wanting them for video gaming."
Councilman Bill Phelan had said he favored removing the cap and letting the market decide where licenses would go.
"From the city's perspective, I think the city should be as little involved in businesses starting as possible...I'm looking for it to be fair across the board," he said.
To manage the waiting list that has developed for bar licenses, the council agreed by consensus to establish a $25 fee to get on the list. The applicants on the list will be handled at the discretion of the liquor commissioner.
Changes to the code will be presented for approval at the regular council meeting in July.
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Post by wilbert on Jun 10, 2015 7:07:56 GMT -6
For what it's worth if you look at the big picture, it's sad we have SO MANY BARS thriving here yet we can't keep ONE THEATER OPEN. A theater that would give children something to do.
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Post by father of two on Jun 10, 2015 7:36:37 GMT -6
Way back when I was a wee lad in the sixties there was one theater open. Then it closed later on. Eventually one opened again. Even back when Streator thrived it was hard to keep open. It has nothing to do with bars, peering in streets or fights. It's just what has happened.
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Post by wilbert on Jun 10, 2015 10:11:20 GMT -6
Way back when I was a wee lad in the sixties there was one theater open. Then it closed later on. Eventually one opened again. Even back when Streator thrived it was hard to keep open. It has nothing to do with bars, peering in streets or fights. It's just what has happened. I understand what you are saying and I agree. But it's still disheartening that bars can boom and keep going, yet a place that is somewhat geared towards kids, just can't make it. Priorities I guess....perhaps. Just kind of sad.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 10, 2015 10:59:34 GMT -6
Way back when I was a wee lad in the sixties there was one theater open. Then it closed later on. Eventually one opened again. Even back when Streator thrived it was hard to keep open. It has nothing to do with bars, peering in streets or fights. It's just what has happened. Haven't you been one of the ones who has tried making the problems that I talk about seem acceptable, because they have been going on for so long? Doesn't that fact that the family oriented entertainment businesses also have had a long history of not surviving, convince you that these things do hurt business?
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