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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 11, 2014 19:29:33 GMT -6
For those of you that think perspective businesses should go to one of the once a month, 7:00 pm Planning & Zoning meetings to get their questions answered and find out the City's requirements, don't expect much new business here any time soon.
I showed up to the meeting that was advertised for tonight, but no one was there. After looking around there was a cancellation notice posted, but that is not what was on the City's website a couple of days ago.
If I were a perspective business owner waiting for this one advertised time to get information, and show up to find an empty chamber, having to wait another month to come back, I would be very discouraged and probably just consider going to another community.
I think we need to have someone available at City Hall during business hours that will give out the proper requirements to perspective business owners. Too bad we can't can't on our current leaders to do that.
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Post by father of two on Feb 11, 2014 19:37:58 GMT -6
If there is no action for them at meetings then they don't hold them.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 11, 2014 20:12:00 GMT -6
If there is no action for them at meetings then they don't hold them. And perspective businesses can't get the information they need. If people wanted to get their projects underway when the weather improves, wouldn't they be seeking approval now? Just another Streator economy(or lack of it) indicator?
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Post by father of two on Feb 11, 2014 20:25:33 GMT -6
I believe that anything on their agenda is pre scheduled. Otherwise they would hold a meeting at 7, call to order, no action and adjourn at 701. If there is business scheduled to be before them then they don't meet. Maybe a former member can straighten out the info.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 11, 2014 20:51:25 GMT -6
There was an agenda posted on the City's site. It had no agenda items but had a start time and called for a public forum.
When I got to City Hall there were no P&Z members around at all. There was a cancellation notice on the bulletin board. So, I would say no, they don't call to order at all; it seems they just blow off the whole meeting.
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Post by longarm on Feb 15, 2014 7:58:56 GMT -6
Funny
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 15, 2014 11:05:05 GMT -6
Myself is funny.
I haven't checked this site in a long time, but the day I do, I see myself is still jabbing at city hall.
So, if I'm opening a business I'm not waiting for a planning and zoning commission meeting. I'm just calling city hall. If they tell me to go to the planning and zoning meeting then I will call the board president and make sure he knows I'm coming and what I will need.
Myself if you spent as much time working on your retail business as you do belly aching about petty things with the city you would have retail stores across the country by now.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 15, 2014 12:42:03 GMT -6
Myself is funny. I haven't checked this site in a long time, but the day I do, I see myself is still jabbing at city hall. So, if I'm opening a business I'm not waiting for a planning and zoning commission meeting. I'm just calling city hall. If they tell me to go to the planning and zoning meeting then I will call the board president and make sure he knows I'm coming and what I will need. Myself if you spent as much time working on your retail business as you do belly aching about petty things with the city you would have retail stores across the country by now. It doesn't surprise me that you are a club member and have the board president's phone number. Do you really think that if I worked the business instead of talking about our City keeping buildings vacant and looking like 220 E. Main St., that I would have stores across the country? Do you think the reason that Jim Pellino and Randy Brown don't have stores across the country is because they didn't work hard enough either? Don't you think there is a chance that it could be a result of our continually dwindling population, our per capita retail sales numbers that are much lower than other nearby communities, our reputation of excessive street fights keeping people away, or the lack of traffic with there being so many vacancies that keeps businesses from being successful here? Maybe you'd like to share some of the many stores that went on to build national chains from their Streator retail location doing so well?
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Post by dog on Feb 15, 2014 13:13:40 GMT -6
Do you think the reason that Jim Pellino and Randy Brown don't have stores across the country is because they didn't work hard enough either? Don't you think there is a chance that it could be a result of our continually dwindling population, our per capita retail sales numbers that are much lower than other nearby communities, our reputation of excessive street fights keeping people away, or the lack of traffic with there being so many vacancies that keeps businesses from being successful here? Maybe you'd like to share some of the many stores that went on to build national chains from their Streator retail location doing so well? Can you honestly say that Mr Pellino and Mr. Brown don't have businesses across the country because our reputation of excessive street fighting had kept them from making the money to invest in other communities.? I agree that there is a CHANCE that the things you suggested COULD be a factor that their stores are closed., but you remind me of the Jim Carey line in in "Dumb and Dumber" Something about his chances being one in a million and his reply of being , so you are telling me I have a chance. As for big chains coming to Streator, even if our population was growing, we had no fights, and some of your other reasons, I would think that the economy as a whole and being located in Illinois are a much, much bigger factor in business not locating here. I lost track of how many times I stood in line a various out of town stores and when customers were asked for their zip codes, they refused. That was one tool that they used to determine where their customers were traveling from and possibility would consider locating a store there.
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 15, 2014 13:33:35 GMT -6
Myself is funny. I haven't checked this site in a long time, but the day I do, I see myself is still jabbing at city hall. So, if I'm opening a business I'm not waiting for a planning and zoning commission meeting. I'm just calling city hall. If they tell me to go to the planning and zoning meeting then I will call the board president and make sure he knows I'm coming and what I will need. Myself if you spent as much time working on your retail business as you do belly aching about petty things with the city you would have retail stores across the country by now. It doesn't surprise me that you are a club member and have the board president's phone number. Do you really think that if I worked the business instead of talking about our City keeping buildings vacant and looking like 220 E. Main St., that I would have stores across the country? Do you think the reason that Jim Pellino and Randy Brown don't have stores across the country is because they didn't work hard enough either? Don't you think there is a chance that it could be a result of our continually dwindling population, our per capita retail sales numbers that are much lower than other nearby communities, our reputation of excessive street fights keeping people away, or the lack of traffic with there being so many vacancies that keeps businesses from being successful here? Maybe you'd like to share some of the many stores that went on to build national chains from their Streator retail location doing so well? Where in my post to you did I mention Jim pellino or randy brown? I'm talking directly and only to you. Its like you're delusional. Again, you are silly.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 0:18:25 GMT -6
Can you honestly say that Mr Pellino and Mr. Brown don't have businesses across the country because our reputation of excessive street fighting had kept them from making the money to invest in other communities.? I agree that there is a CHANCE that the things you suggested COULD be a factor that their stores are closed. Isn't that exactly what I asked oldtimer? If there could be a chance that those things were factors? I did not say that it was absolutely the reason, but I am very confident that it does hurt business here. Even you admitted that you would not patronize the Majestic for a late show(after 10pm) because of the violence on the streets. Many people from other communities will just not come here no matter what time of day because of it. There is just no way to measure how much it makes us lose out on, but I am very confident that it is significant. The reputation can't be changed until we start cleaning it up, but despite our Constitutional rights, our City leaders don't even want us talking about ideas for it.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 0:26:08 GMT -6
It doesn't surprise me that you are a club member and have the board president's phone number. Do you really think that if I worked the business instead of talking about our City keeping buildings vacant and looking like 220 E. Main St., that I would have stores across the country? Do you think the reason that Jim Pellino and Randy Brown don't have stores across the country is because they didn't work hard enough either? Don't you think there is a chance that it could be a result of our continually dwindling population, our per capita retail sales numbers that are much lower than other nearby communities, our reputation of excessive street fights keeping people away, or the lack of traffic with there being so many vacancies that keeps businesses from being successful here? Maybe you'd like to share some of the many stores that went on to build national chains from their Streator retail location doing so well? Where in my post to you did I mention Jim pellino or randy brown? I'm talking directly and only to you. Its like you're delusional. Again, you are silly. Are you delusional? I didn't say that you mentioned them. I know you are talking to me, and I am talking to you. I mentioned Jim Pellino and Randy Brown as examples of people that did work hard at their businesses, but not only don't have stores across the country, but don't have stores here either. It was to show that there could be other factors keeping business from succeeding here. I noticed that you didn't provide the names of retail stores that expanded across the country from doing so well here. You said before that I don't have any business sense, yet you think that I would have stores across the country if I worked harder. From that, by means of deduction, what are you saying about the business sense of others in Streator? For you to post things like this and then call me silly, gives me more confidence that I am right. Thanks again for showing me that it is acceptable to criticize others for what their buildings look like.
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 16, 2014 8:16:59 GMT -6
Where in my post to you did I mention Jim pellino or randy brown? I'm talking directly and only to you. Its like you're delusional. Again, you are silly. Are you delusional? I didn't say that you mentioned them. I know you are talking to me, and I am talking to you. I mentioned Jim Pellino and Randy Brown as examples of people that did work hard at their businesses, but not only don't have stores across the country, but don't have stores here either. It was to show that there could be other factors keeping business from succeeding here. I noticed that you didn't provide the names of retail stores that expanded across the country from doing so well here. You said before that I don't have any business sense, yet you think that I would have stores across the country if I worked harder. From that, by means of deduction, what are you saying about the business sense of others in Streator? For you to post things like this and then call me silly, gives me more confidence that I am right. Thanks again for showing me that it is acceptable to criticize others for what their buildings look like. Myself you're still posting the same stuff you were 4 months ago! 1. All the downtown fights are hurting downtown businesses. 2. Downtown building appearances. 3. City hall Come up with something new. It was old 4 months ago. Now its beyond silly.
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Post by dog on Feb 16, 2014 8:28:30 GMT -6
Can you honestly say that Mr Pellino and Mr. Brown don't have businesses across the country because our reputation of excessive street fighting had kept them from making the money to invest in other communities.? I agree that there is a CHANCE that the things you suggested COULD be a factor that their stores are closed. Isn't that exactly what I asked oldtimer? If there could be a chance that those things were factors? I did not say that it was absolutely the reason, but I am very confident that it does hurt business here. Even you admitted that you would not patronize the Majestic for a late show(after 10pm) because of the violence on the streets. Many people from other communities will just not come here no matter what time of day because of it. There is just no way to measure how much it makes us lose out on, but I am very confident that it is significant. The reputation can't be changed until we start cleaning it up, but despite our Constitutional rights, our City leaders don't even want us talking about ideas for it. To clarify my comment about not patronizing a late show at the Majestic, I was referring to the midnight showings they do occasionally. If I attend a show at the Majestic it is usually their latest show if possible, because it allows time to get cleaned up and go out to eat without rushing. In 35 or so years of going to the late show I have never seen a fight, public intoxication or urination. I would exercise more caution about patronizing any business after dark or late night. That same cautious approach would be the same whether I was in Streator or any other town. Maybe if you cant get the city to crack down on bar fights, maybe you help make out of towners aware that the street violence that you are constantly talking about is between bar patrons and their chances of being involved in it are slim at best.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 12:06:07 GMT -6
Isn't that exactly what I asked oldtimer? If there could be a chance that those things were factors? I did not say that it was absolutely the reason, but I am very confident that it does hurt business here. Even you admitted that you would not patronize the Majestic for a late show(after 10pm) because of the violence on the streets. Many people from other communities will just not come here no matter what time of day because of it. There is just no way to measure how much it makes us lose out on, but I am very confident that it is significant. The reputation can't be changed until we start cleaning it up, but despite our Constitutional rights, our City leaders don't even want us talking about ideas for it. To clarify my comment about not patronizing a late show at the Majestic, I was referring to the midnight showings they do occasionally. If I attend a show at the Majestic it is usually their latest show if possible, because it allows time to get cleaned up and go out to eat without rushing. I have zero apprehension of patronizing any business in Streator or walking down any street during daylight or evening hours. After the 10 o'clock hour I would feel a little differently and if those businesses were open, then I probably wouldn't patronize them that late at night. Well, since a 9:15 show would have you patronizing the business after 10pm, which is it? Either way, shouldn't our streets be safe at all hours? If someone gets killed in a drunken street brawl at 1:59am, is it any less of an impact on our community than if someone calls the police at 5:21pm threatening to kill everyone? Maybe if you cant get the city to crack down on bar fights, maybe you help make out of towners aware that the street violence that you are constantly talking about is between bar patrons and their chances of being involved in it are slim at best. Six years I've been trying to get them to crack down on the fights. How much are you pitching in on this advertising campaign to try to convince people of other communities that the bar customers are only beating the crap out of each other and it is safe to come here? That is ridiculous. I am going to keep doing as I have been, talking about the problems until enough people decide that is time to take action to clean up the problems instead of keep justifying them.
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