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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 17, 2014 8:05:02 GMT -6
There are so many things working against streator yet so many positives. Focus on the positives and the things you can control. I told you what you need to do to get people downtown. Stop whining and crying. Other successful down towns worked together to get shoppers there. They didn't spend endless hours on some little messsage board CONSTANTLY complaining. Its a waste of time and effort. I have the right to say what I want. Well, I noticed again that you didn't tell me what you have done that makes you think you know better than someone who has worked hard opening vacant buildings to attract more people downtown. I did work with others to try get people downtown. It is the City that stands in the way with their requirements that do not follow our laws. It is the City allowing people to fight in their presence and then walk away with no consequences, that keeps more and more people fighting in our streets, working against our efforts to attract people. We are just spinning our wheels until we get these obstacles removed. |
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 17, 2014 10:27:01 GMT -6
There are so many things working against streator yet so many positives. Focus on the positives and the things you can control. I told you what you need to do to get people downtown. Stop whining and crying. Other successful down towns worked together to get shoppers there. They didn't spend endless hours on some little messsage board CONSTANTLY complaining. Its a waste of time and effort. I have the right to say what I want. Well, I noticed again that you didn't tell me what you have done that makes you think you know better than someone who has worked hard opening vacant buildings to attract more people downtown. I did work with others to try get people downtown. It is the City that stands in the way with their requirements that do not follow our laws. It is the City allowing people to fight in their presence and then walk away with no consequences, that keeps more and more people fighting in our streets, working against our efforts to attract people. We are just spinning our wheels until we get these obstacles removed. I could be unemployed and understand that your logic about drunk bar patrons keeping everyone away from downtown is flawed. I'm not going to keep going back and forth as only you can do. I've made my points and that's it. |
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 17, 2014 11:17:12 GMT -6
Maybe in Wrigleyville laws are enforced. Maybe if someone was fighting in the presence of police they would be hand cuffed and taken away to send a message to him and other would be fighters that it is not tolerated there.
I don't think that the real estate in that area is too cheap. I doubt people living there would put up with seeing fights all the time and offenders just being able to walk away.
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 17, 2014 12:57:32 GMT -6
Maybe in Wrigleyville laws are enforced. Maybe if someone was fighting in the presence of police they would be hand cuffed and taken away to send a message to him and other would be fighters that it is not tolerated there. I don't think that the real estate in that area is too cheap. I doubt people living there would put up with seeing fights all the time and offenders just being able to walk away. Myself, come on. If Chicago police arrested every person involved in a fight there would be a line at the police station a mile long. That's all policemen would do. Even if there is d fight in front of officers they just don't automatically arrest thosr involved. You're hurting whatever argument you have left to cling onto. |
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 17, 2014 13:45:56 GMT -6
I'm not going to keep going back and forth as only you can do. I've made my points and that's it. , come on. If Chicago police arrested every person involved in a fight there would be a line at the police station a mile long. That's all policemen would do. Even if there is d fight in front of officers they just don't automatically arrest thosr involved. You're hurting whatever argument you have left to cling onto. You obviously don't even know what you are talking about. Are you seriously trying to convince me that I can go to Wrigleyville and punch someone in front of a police officer and I will be able to just walk away? You are being ridiculous; talk about hurting whatever argument you may have! Violence is not right and should not be tolerated. It does hurt business. |
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Post by father of two on Feb 17, 2014 14:44:13 GMT -6
What would the police officer charge you with. If either party foes not want to press charges there's not a lot law enforcement can do.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 17, 2014 15:58:34 GMT -6
What would the police officer charge you with. If either party foes not want to press charges there's not a lot law enforcement can do. Wow, I can't believe I am having this conversation with you. Do you not accept that we live in a civilized society where fighting is considered wrong and so is illegal? Hitting someone is called assault. If an officer sees it happen, he doesn't need anyone to press charges, he has the authority to make an arrest and is a very credible witness. Disturbing the peace is another possible charge. I am sure there are probably more that could apply in some cases. We have laws so that these types of things should not be allowed to go on in our streets. If little Johnny punches Susie on the playground, the teacher sees her laying next to Johnny with a bloody nose, but she won't sign a complaint, does the teacher just let Johnny walk away too? Do you really think the fighting on our streets should be justified. You don't see that each time one of these incidents happens it makes more people stay away from our community? Just because the idiots breaking the law don't want to press charges against each other, doesn't mean that there aren't any victims. Our whole community suffers when it happens. Do you think it will still be justifiable when one of them falls over and hits his head and dies? Do you think that will be good for business downtown? I will not accept that fighting should be thought of as being acceptable, especially for a reason as stupid as the people breaking the law don't want to press charges. |
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Post by father of two on Feb 17, 2014 17:06:01 GMT -6
Ask a police officer what he can charge them with. I didn't say it was acceptable.
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Post by cmon on Feb 17, 2014 17:14:21 GMT -6
Kyle, it's pretty obvious that any time or anything you don't agree with is breaking the law. I won't argue with you because my momma taught me you can't win when you are arguing with stupid. You have created your own problems with your attitude. If I was on the City Council I wouldn't want to deal with you just because of the way you present yourself. You think you're the smartest guy in the room. You are-- as long as a dead person is there with you. When you grow up and act like an adult I may walk up to you and have a conversation. You seem to expect that the police should do nothing more than patrol your area of the city and ignore other problems that may be occurring elsewhere in town. And by the way, why don't you own or have an interest in the Majestic anymore?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 17, 2014 19:07:10 GMT -6
You have created your own problems with your attitude. You don't know what you are talking about. You have no idea what my attitude was prior to the problems. I had a great attitude when I opened the Majestic and was very respectful with the City when asking them to do something about the street fights and public urinating that my customers were obviously not enjoying seeing or having their children witness. I certainly didn't go into the Mayor's office with a bad attitude, I really felt that an Aquaponics facility was going to be a good thing for downtown Streator. You seem to expect that the police should do nothing more than patrol your area of the city and ignore other problems that may be occurring elsewhere in town. I do not expect that all. I have said many times that I don't think that our Police Department should have to baby sit our bars. I have been holding our City Council responsible for these problems, because I feel many are the results of the bars serving people who are already excessively drunk. There is a law in both the Illinois and Streator liquor code that does make it illegal to serve anyone that is intoxicated. Our Council is also our liquor commission. They control the ability of the bars to sell alcohol. They have tools that could administratively force the bar owners to abide by our laws to greatly cut down on the negative incidents, without even using our Police Department at all. It is also our council that decides how many officers they are willing to fund. The responsibility for the lack of Police resources to correct these problems falls on our only elected officials, the Council. When the Police are needed though, I do expect them to take action. When a drunk exposed himself to my family, I begged the officer to take action but he would not. If he had time to give the group a ride to a friend's house, he had time to at least write a citation. That staggering drunk was dropped back off just minutes later to drive his company truck to Ottawa. When people can fight in the presence of Police with a whole crowd watching, and the law breakers are allowed to just walk away, it sends a message to everyone that it is acceptable to fight again, and whenever they want. Whether a lack of resources or management, I believe our City Council has the ability to correct our lack of enforcement problems. And by the way, why don't you own or have an interest in the Majestic anymore? Despite it being a long term agreement, when the business was struggling and the theatre still needed so much more work/money, the owner of the building asked me to leave to make room for some big money people from Pennsylvania that he had taken a huge deposit from. Knowing that I love the Majestic, he told me that it was for the best for the theatre, but I still haven't seen much of the needed work being done. |
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Post by cmon on Feb 17, 2014 19:19:10 GMT -6
You have no idea what YOU are talking about. You constantly b*tch about lack of law enforcement downtown as if you should be entitled to a special patrol. You chose to live where you do. You've made every effort to go out of your way to find loopholes to "ruffle the feathers " so to speak, of the Corporate Authorities. You made your bed. Your poor attitude is why you are in the boat you are in. I was once like you, arrogant, full of myself. I learned that there are better ways to get my point across and it did work. People take you more serious when you don't walk into a room with a chip on your shoulder and a smirk on your face.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 17, 2014 20:43:02 GMT -6
You have no idea what YOU are talking about. You constantly b*tch about lack of law enforcement downtown as if you should be entitled to a special patrol. You chose to live where you do. You've made every effort to go out of your way to find loopholes to "ruffle the feathers " so to speak, of the Corporate Authorities. You made your bed. Your poor attitude is why you are in the boat you are in. I was once like you, arrogant, full of myself. I learned that there are better ways to get my point across and it did work. People take you more serious when you don't walk into a room with a chip on your shoulder and a smirk on your face. You seriously can't be pretending to know more about my experiences and attitudes then me, can you? Wow, good for you, learning better ways to get your point across and having it work. So Streator is the way it is because of your great knowledge and accomplishments? Which vacant buildings have you turned into operating businesses? I am sorry, but I will not accept that the continually declining population, excessive number of vacancies and extremely low property values, are any kind of proof that them not taking care of the problems or following our laws is best for our community. |
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Post by cmon on Feb 17, 2014 21:21:57 GMT -6
You want to call that flea market a success? Give me a break
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Post by cmon on Feb 17, 2014 21:35:53 GMT -6
As I said before, you think you're the smartest guy in the room. You are condescending to virtually anyone and everyone. You are a loser, have Little Man Syndrome, choose to babble your BS here. If your civil rights have been violated then go run to the ACLU. They love this kind of stuff and blowhards like you. Laws been broken by the Corporate Authorities? Call Lisa Madigan. She loves that stuff as well. You don't have the nuts to run for office and back up your babbling nor the case to take to the Attorney General to make a case against the mayor or anyone else on the city council. If you did, the way you ramble on about your rights, you would do so. You are a phony pure and simple. You're just too narcissistic to know it. Now go tear that ticket in half.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 17, 2014 22:17:59 GMT -6
You want to call that flea market a success? Give me a break It is an operating business providing a service to the community. Many people consign their furniture and receive cash. Others consign their gently used clothing and use the credit to purchase other items. Many people seem to enjoy our rather large book section. The store employs people and pays sales tax. It helps pay expenses and maintain the building. Are you trying to infer that a vacant building would be better? I don't feel that too many people on here really have no room to be talking. Most have not made large investments and worked as hard to make downtown better. They have not been down here to see how excessive the number of negative incidents really is. Why don't you share with us some of your accomplishments? What vacant buildings a have you turned into operating businesses? |
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