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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 14:26:31 GMT -6
What I can see. Walmart chain is knocking out other chains and buying stuff online is effecting businesses to expand. I really do not see that all the blame could be on the city council, at least not all the blame. Yes, it does seem like the city council is not attempting to get businesses here in this town. But maybe we need to consider also, that we are 30 minutes away from highways and business do better being close to the interstate. That also could effect busiensses coming to town.
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 16, 2014 15:36:29 GMT -6
To clarify my comment about not patronizing a late show at the Majestic, I waos referring to the midnight showings they do occasionally. If I attend a show at the Majestic it is usually their latest show if possible, because it allows time to get cleaned up and go out to eat without rushing. I have zero apprehension of patronizing any business in Streator or walking down any street during daylight or evening hours. After the 10 o'clock hour I would feel a little differently and if those businesses were open, then I probably wouldn't patronize them that late at night. Well, since a 9:15 show would have you patronizing the business after 10pm, which is it? Either way, shouldn't our streets be safe at all hours? If someone gets killed in a drunken street brawl at 1:59am, is it any less of an impact on our community than if someone calls the police at 5:21pm threatening to kill everyone? Maybe if you cant get the city to crack down on bar fights, maybe you help make out of towners aware that the street violence that you are constantly talking about is between bar patrons and their chances of being involved in it are slim at best. Six years I've been trying to get them to crack down on the fights. How much are you pitching in on this advertising campaign to try to convince people of other communities that the bar customers are only beating the crap out of each other and it is safe to come here? That is ridiculous. I am going to keep doing as I have been, talking about the problems until enough people decide that is time to take action to clean up the problems instead of keep justifying them. So, your contention is that people are not going to downtown streator because of the drunks who get in fights?
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 16, 2014 16:16:07 GMT -6
College towns do well. Cities with insurance companies do well. MAYBE we need to start a college and insurance company right here in good old Streator......... No problems, just solutions, right? Actually, I have always thought Harvard, Illinois would be a great location for a correspondence school, or today's equivalence, an online University. The ObamaCare and all the complaining of increased health insurance premiums may represent new opportunities. Again, we have cheap real estate and plenty of people looking for work...... Seems like a great time to invest in Streator before the opportunity Train pulls out of the Station. WWWOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOO ALL ABOARD!! If you want to do an online university you don't have to live in Harvard to call it Harvard! Is the opportunity train that could pull out of streator called US Foods? Because if that pulls out it will take more than opportunity with it.
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Post by dog on Feb 16, 2014 19:15:16 GMT -6
To clarify my comment about not patronizing a late show at the Majestic, I was referring to the midnight showings they do occasionally. If I attend a show at the Majestic it is usually their latest show if possible, because it allows time to get cleaned up and go out to eat without rushing. I have zero apprehension of patronizing any business in Streator or walking down any street during daylight or evening hours. After the 10 o'clock hour I would feel a little differently and if those businesses were open, then I probably wouldn't patronize them that late at night. Well, since a 9:15 show would have you patronizing the business after 10pm, which is it? Either way, shouldn't our streets be safe at all hours? If someone gets killed in a drunken street brawl at 1:59am, is it any less of an impact on our community than if someone calls the police at 5:21pm threatening to kill everyone? That is ridiculous. I am going to keep doing as I have been, talking about the problems until enough people decide that is time to take action to clean up the problems instead of keep justifying them. I am going to respond to your "timeline" questions because I want you to respond to the question I asked you in the other thread on where you would place a pot growing facility in our zoning map. I used the 10 o'clock number because that is when I think Walgreens and Streator Drugs close. Almost all the other businesses close down probably no later than 6 except for the theater, which stays open later. I will patronize the theater for the 9:15 show and not really give a 2nd thought about my surroundings when I was entering the show. When leaving the show I am a lot more aware of my surroundings at 11-1130ish, but like I said in another post in the 35 years I have been going to the Majestic I have never witnessed a fight, or anyone pissing in public. Yes the streets should be safe at all hours and a death or crime at 1:59 am is no more or less tragic than if it were to occur at any other time of the day. That is not the argument. No one is justifying the problems. These problems are occurring when the vast majority, if not all the businesses are closed for the day, so to try to blame the loss of customers due to these problems is inaccurate. With your rants, you give the impression that it isn't safe to come to a downtown business because they might get beat up, or pissed on. Other than a bar, and a slight possibility at the Majestic, I think that risk is very insignificant. You want to clean up Streator and punish these people for public urination, and fighting, I'm all for it.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 19:22:26 GMT -6
Myself you're still posting the same stuff you were 4 months ago! 1. All the downtown fights are hurting downtown businesses. 2. Downtown building appearances. 3. City hall Come up with something new. It was old 4 months ago. Now its beyond silly. 4 months? Where have you been, it's pretty much the same stuff that I've been talking about for many years. They all continue to be problems so I keep talking about them. You seem to be really out of the loop. Let me fill you in: The new twist now is the suggestion that the City start buying more vacant blighted properties. That would explain why they have kept 220 E. Main in such deplorable condition for years, bringing down property values in the area, wouldn't it? They will be able to use the threat of $750/day vacant building fines to be able to buy them even cheaper. They want to keep the individual property owners from doing something different with the property while paying taxes. Then they can sit on them without having to maintain them, follow the vacant building ordinance, or pay property taxes. When market conditions are more favorable, someone like the Heritage owner, or maybe another club member could be given a sweet deal to build a housing project. They will compete with the private sector that is or may be considering investing in commercial real estate, using the advantages and power at their disposal. You support Capitalism, don't you? Is government using its power to compete in business the best thing for the tax payers of Streator?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 19:28:50 GMT -6
So, your contention is that people are not going to downtown streator because of the drunks who get in fights? Wow, You catch on quick! Maybe you've missed some of my many postings of experiences and reasons that I strongly believe it: *The reaction of many customers when they would come out of a movie with their kids to see a brutal fight or someone urinating in the open. *The response from business owners in nearby communities when I would go to try to promote special events. *A person at a parade in another town coming into the street for free popcorn, but then throwing it back when she sees it is from Streator. *After not talking to her for years, the current operator of the Majestic offering up, without being asked, that her biggest problem with the City is all the fights that go on. *Other business owners in the area telling me that it is a problem. *The several times that I've seen someone laying in a pool of blood and wonderrd if they were going to survive. *A tourist being severely beaten and hospitalized with head trauma. *A local person being brutaly beaten and jaw broken out on Main Street because the bar wanted him to leave, but never even bothered calling police. *I posted two other videos last summer and have many more. *A person calling police at 5:21pm so drunk he threatened to kill everyone. *My strong belief (probably backed up by statistics somewhere) that people do not want to bring their families around this type of activity. *local people telling me that they are not comfortable coming downtown specifically because of the violence (even dog is not comfortable downtown at night). *The lack of business and foot traffic downtown. All of these things have me convinced that it is a big problem. I'm sure you will deny it is a problem here and justify the fights by saying that it goes on other places. I don't deny that it does go on elsewhere, but not to the degree that it does here. If the other places have as many vacancies as we do and allow it to go on to the degree it does here, they should also look at correcting their problems too. If we want to have a chance of having a thriving downtown, we seriously need to get these things under control.
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 16, 2014 19:41:05 GMT -6
So, your contention is that people are not going to downtown streator because of the drunks who get in fights? Wow, You catch on quick! Maybe you've missed some of my many postings of experiences and reasons that I strongly believe it: *The reaction of many customers when they would come out of a movie with their kids to see a brutal fight or someone urinating in the open. *The response from business owners in nearby communities when I would go to try to promote special events. *A person at a parade in another town coming into the street for free popcorn, but then throwing it back when she sees it is from Streator. *After not talking to her for years, the current operator of the Majestic offering up, without being asked, that her biggest problem with the City is all the fights that go on. *Other business owners in the area telling me that it is a problem. *The several times that I've seen someone laying in a pool of blood and wonderrd if they were going to survive. *A tourist being severely beaten and hospitalized with head trauma. *A local person being brutaly beaten and jaw broken out on Main Street because the bar wanted him to leave, but never even bothered calling police. *I posted two other videos last summer and have many more. *A person calling police at 5:21pm so drunk he threatened to kill everyone. *My strong belief (probably backed up by statistics somewhere) that people do not want to bring their families around this type of activity. *local people telling me that they are not comfortable coming downtown specifically because of the violence (even dog is not comfortable downtown at night). *The lack of business and foot traffic downtown. All of these things have me convinced that it is a big problem. I'm sure you will deny it is a problem here and justify the fights by saying that it goes on other places. I don't deny that it does go on elsewhere, but not to the degree that it does here. If the other places have as many vacancies as we do and allow it to go on to the degree it does here, they should also look at correcting their problems too. If we want to have a chance of having a thriving downtown, we seriously need to get these things under control. Are your points directed towards the city of Chicago, Bloomington, peru , streator or Ottawa? They all have the same problems. It doesn't make them right, but they're all the same. If you want people to go downtown then give them a reason and they will come. Downtowns across the country are struggling to attract people. Yet there are some downtowns that do well and *GASP* they have bars and fights and drunk people just like little old streator. Again, give people a reason then they will come. It appears it will take creativity to get people to beautiful downtown streator. Now stop spending all your time moaning about the problems and work with the other downtown business owners to find ways to generate traffic instead of spewing your senseless bullcrap to the few that visit this website. You'll feel more fulfilled and make more.money, too.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 19:48:26 GMT -6
I am going to respond to your "timeline" questions because I want you to respond to the question I asked you in the other thread on where you would place a pot growing facility in our zoning map. I'll answer your question on the other thread, give me a chance though, I have other stuff to do too. I have another question for you to answer there too though. These problems are occurring when the vast majority, if not all the businesses are closed for the day, so to try to blame the loss of customers due to these problems is inaccurate. That is BS! When it happens and a vast majority of business is closed, many people still hear about it and the reputation is substantiated and perpetuated. That reputation keeps people away all hours of the day. Just because you set the 10pm limit for you feeling safe, you don't know what time the rest of LaSalle & Livingston County, and people with little kids have set as a time to feel safe. Other businesses are open at 5:21pm when the drunk threatened to kill everyone. Why should the Majestic or anyone else that might want to keep a business open later have to have their business suffer so that bar customers who have had too much to drink can fight in front of the police and then walk away? These problems should not be allowed to hurt business the way that they do. You want to clean up Streator and punish these people for public urination, and fighting, I'm all for it. Gee, thanks for your support?
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 16, 2014 20:52:16 GMT -6
I am going to respond to your "timeline" questions because I want you to respond to the question I asked you in the other thread on where you would place a pot growing facility in our zoning map. I'll answer your question on the other thread, give me a chance though, I have other stuff to do too. I have another question for you to answer there too though. These problems are occurring when the vast majority, if not all the businesses are closed for the day, so to try to blame the loss of customers due to these problems is inaccurate. That is BS! When it happens and a vast majority of business is closed, many people still hear about it and the reputation is substantiated and perpetuated. That reputation keeps people away all hours of the day. Just because you set the 10pm limit for you feeling safe, you don't know what time the rest of LaSalle & Livingston County, and people with little kids have set as a time to feel safe. Other businesses are open at 5:21pm when the drunk threatened to kill everyone. Why should the Majestic or anyone else that might want to keep a business open later have to have their business suffer so that bar customers who have had too much to drink can fight in front of the police and then walk away? These problems should not be allowed to hurt business the way that they do. You want to clean up Streator and punish these people for public urination, and fighting, I'm all for it. Gee, thanks for your support? Guess what? There are drunks in other towns threatening to kill everyone at 10:27am. It happens around the clock in towns EVERYWHERE. The reputation doesn't keep people from downtown. There are not a lot of options of things for people to do. Like I said before appeal to a bunch of different people and age groups and they will come. Right now downtown is full of bars and.many second hand shops. It needs more variety. People get shot everyday in downtown Chicago yet hundreds of thousands of people walk those same streets everyday. Myself you need to work on getting things to attract.more.people to downtown. They will.come. give them a reason. Stop.making excuses as to why they don't come. Excuses are signs of laziness. And stop making excuses that its because of the bars and those who patronize them and leave drunk. Because there are alot of downtowns that flourish and still have the drunks walking around. Imagine that.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 21:23:20 GMT -6
Myself you need to work on getting things to attract.more.people to downtown. They will.come. give them a reason. Stop.making excuses as to why they don't come. Excuses are signs of laziness. You can think excuses are laziness if you want, but I invested a lot and worked hard to turn a long time boarded up movie palace into something to attract more people downtown. I was the one struggling to pay all the bills because not enough people were coming. I was the one going to other communities to try to convince people to come to Streator. I see how often these things go on here, which is way more than they should. You don't know all I've done and endured and are not going to convince me that these things do not hurt business here. All I've been asking is that our laws be enforced to cut down on the excessive number of these negative incidents. I tried bringing an Aquaponics facility here and told the Mayor that tours of the facility was a part of our plan. I was ready to work, it's the City that stands in the way. What are you doing? Have you stopped whining about the City not getting us an intermodal and decided to just start building one by yourself? Are you going to have it up and running soon to save our community?
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 16, 2014 22:26:44 GMT -6
Myself you need to work on getting things to attract.more.people to downtown. They will.come. give them a reason. Stop.making excuses as to why they don't come. Excuses are signs of laziness. You can think excuses are laziness if you want, but I invested a lot and worked hard to turn a long time boarded up movie palace into something to attract more people downtown. I was the one struggling to pay all the bills because not enough people were coming. I was the one going to other communities to try to convince people to come to Streator. I see how often these things go on here, which is way more than they should. You don't know all I've done and endured and are not going to convince me that these things do not hurt business here. All I've been asking is that our laws be enforced to cut down on the excessive number of these negative incidents. I tried bringing an Aquaponics facility here and told the Mayor that tours of the facility was a part of our plan. I was ready to work, it's the City that stands in the way. What are you doing? Have you stopped whining about the City not getting us an intermodal and decided to just start building one by yourself? Are you going to have it up and running soon to save our community? The movie theatre is beautiful and a streator tradition. Some see it as more than a movie theatre which is how I see it. Out of towners have their own movie theatres and probably won't make the.trip here and she the same movie in their own town and that's their prerogative. You say things go on here more than they should. There are so many other towns that have so much more incidents than little old streator. Again, this is an excuse. Give people more reasons to come here and they will! Here you go with your aquaponics again. Stop whining about it or open up a location in another town or ask the city where it could be constructed or take it outside city limits and work with the county to construct it. You constantly whine about things. Stop whining and making excuses.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 22:46:16 GMT -6
The movie theatre is beautiful and a streator tradition. Some see it as more than a movie theatre which is how I see it. Out of towners have their own movie theatres and probably won't make the.trip here and she the same movie in their own town and that's their prerogative. You say things go on here more than they should. There are so many other towns that have so much more incidents than little old streator. Again, this is an excuse. Give people more reasons to come here and they will! Here you go with your aquaponics again. Stop whining about it or open up a location in another town or ask the city where it could be constructed or take it outside city limits and work with the county to construct it. You constantly whine about things. Stop whining and making excuses. Yes, it is more than a movie theatre. It was built as a vaudeville house. That is why I worked hard and invested into making the stage usable so that I could provide live shows that people couldn't get in their communities. Those are the shows where it became very obvious that others did not want to come here. You are the one that told me to do things to attract more people here, that is why I brought up Aquaponics. It was something to bring people here. Tours are part of the income stream for many Aquaponics facilities. I invested into opening the Majestic, a long time boarded up building, to try to bring people downtown. I invested in another long time vacant building and opened it. I tried opening even another long time vacant building and the City stopped me but won't give their justification for it. You claim that my talking about what I see as problems is whining and making excuses, that I should stop being lazy and try to attract people here. Talk about silly! So, what exactly is it that you are doing to improve our community? What have you invested in? What makes you think you have any right to try to tell me what to do?
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 16, 2014 23:05:44 GMT -6
The movie theatre is beautiful and a streator tradition. Some see it as more than a movie theatre which is how I see it. Out of towners have their own movie theatres and probably won't make the.trip here and she the same movie in their own town and that's their prerogative. You say things go on here more than they should. There are so many other towns that have so much more incidents than little old streator. Again, this is an excuse. Give people more reasons to come here and they will! Here you go with your aquaponics again. Stop whining about it or open up a location in another town or ask the city where it could be constructed or take it outside city limits and work with the county to construct it. You constantly whine about things. Stop whining and making excuses. Yes, it is more than a movie theatre. It was built as a vaudeville house. That is why I worked hard and invested into making the stage usable so that I could provide live shows that people couldn't get in their communities. Those are the shows where it became very obvious that others did not want to come here. You are the one that told me to do things to attract more people here, that is why I brought up Aquaponics. It was something to bring people here. Tours are part of the income stream for many Aquaponics facilities. I invested into opening the Majestic, a long time boarded up building, to try to bring people downtown. I invested in another long time vacant building and opened it. I tried opening even another long time vacant building and the City stopped me but won't give their justification for it. You claim that my talking about what I see as problems is whining and making excuses, that I should stop being lazy and try to attract people here. Talk about silly! So, what exactly is it that you are doing to improve our community? What have you invested in? What makes you think you have any right to try to tell me what to do? You're not good at reading between the lines. I'm trying to help you. Keep doing what you're doing and you will continue to spin your wheels and get no where. I believe you want the best for streator. You just have to learn how to get things done. You need to learn how to work with and deal with people.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 16, 2014 23:32:42 GMT -6
You're not good at reading between the lines. I'm trying to help you. Keep doing what you're doing and you will continue to spin your wheels and get no where. I believe you want the best for streator. You just have to learn how to get things done. You need to learn how to work with and deal with people. I need to "deal" with people who are not willing to follow our laws? What are you saying between the lines, that I should have offered some type of "initiation fee" to join their club if I wanted to get something done about the drunken street brawls? All I was asking was that our laws be enforced to cut down on the excessive number of negative incidents to try to create a better business environment to be able to survive. You never answered my question. What have you done that makes you feel you are such an expert and think you know better what affected my business, or gives you the right to tell me what to do? I think I have done enough that I have a right to keep talking about what I see as problems, expect some of them to be corrected, and ask for new leaders when they are not.
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Post by oldtimer on Feb 17, 2014 7:15:29 GMT -6
You're not good at reading between the lines. I'm trying to help you. Keep doing what you're doing and you will continue to spin your wheels and get no where. I believe you want the best for streator. You just have to learn how to get things done. You need to learn how to work with and deal with people. I need to "deal" with people who are not willing to follow our laws? What are you saying between the lines, that I should have offered some type of "initiation fee" to join their club if I wanted to get something done about the drunken street brawls? All I was asking was that our laws be enforced to cut down on the excessive number of negative incidents to try to create a better business environment to be able to survive. You never answered my question. What have you done that makes you feel you are such an expert and think you know better what affected my business, or gives you the right to tell me what to do? I think I have done enough that I have a right to keep talking about what I see as problems, expect some of them to be corrected, and ask for new leaders when they are not. There are so many things working against streator yet so many positives. Focus on the positives and the things you can control. I told you what you need to do to get people downtown. Stop whining and crying. Other successful down towns worked together to get shoppers there. They didn't spend endless hours on some little messsage board CONSTANTLY complaining. Its a waste of time and effort. I have the right to say what I want.
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