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Post by father of two on Oct 10, 2013 11:53:39 GMT -6
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Post by dog on Oct 10, 2013 12:21:59 GMT -6
And Sniper said he had excellent marking skills. If or when Illinois passes a medical marijuana bill, he would be in on the ground floor in terms of supplying pot as medicine. Great job thinking outside the box, Kyle. On a side note, maybe your wife could make some "brownies" with that little extra ingredient and take them to the bar across the street on weekends, as a peace offering. It might do wonders to eliminate the fights that occur in the streets.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 10, 2013 12:30:10 GMT -6
So if I understand correctly, LaSalle and Ottawa didn't say it was outright allowed but that they were receptive to the idea and other steps would have to be taken. It sounds like would have to get a special use permit in both cities to open it in a commercial district. To answer you about Streator's zoning, no I have not read it. I have read many other cities and the fact that it says that it is not all inclusive is pretty standard. It is unrealistic to assume that every business type can be covered which is why special use permits are granted. If a business is similar in type to approved business's in a particular zoning district after going through to proper channels a special use permit is typically granted. It sounds like that is what LaSalle and Ottawa had in mind for you. Did you request from Streator a special use permit or did you simply want approval since in your mind it wasn't much different than a greenhouse or pet store? Frankly, you went about things wrong and you seem unwilling or unable to see that fact. Has it occurred to you that the Streator officials might be quite receptive to new business but they just aren't very receptive of you? Based on the fact that you basically call them criminals, can you blame them for not going out of their way to help you out? They both gave me great confidence that it would be accepted and allowed. I would have no problem going through a special use permit process for it in any of the communities, but if the most closely related business is allowed in the area without a special use permit then the related business shouldn't require one either. Like I already said, there is a big, big difference between asking for a special use permit and asking to change the zoning of one lot in the middle of downtown to industrial. Yes I realized that the City was not receptive to me in 2007, shortly after opening the Majestic, when someone exposed his penis in the middle of Vermillion St. and they refused to bring charges(yes, I was more than willing to sign a complaint). Are they unreceptive to everyone that comes here investing in the community and opening closed up vacant buildings or just the ones that ask that street fights and public urination not be allowed to continue? I talked about corruption in conjunction with their restriction that did not follow our laws, which was years after they did not want to, as you say, "go out of their way to help me out"(when providing the proper information was all I was asking for), so I really don't see how that could have had anything to do with it.
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Post by northsider on Oct 10, 2013 12:48:43 GMT -6
If a business is listed in a particular zone it is allowed. If it's not listed you typically need to get a special use permit. You should have done some more research on aquaponics before going to the city. Sounds like you didn't really know what you were doing and now you're upset that the city didn't see things your way.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 10, 2013 12:59:03 GMT -6
So instead of following our laws they are making decisions based on what they want? We were certainly not planning to grow any marijuana, but if it is done legally, I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed. It would be a business providing a use for a building and generating jobs and revenue. Medical marijuana is being accepted as a very valid natural treatment for many problems and has been helping people, but you are right, it probably would be too progressive of an idea for Streator. Have you listened to the long list of side effects of some of those chemical treatment doctor's prescribe? What about long term effects from them they they haven't been discovered yet? Actually though in my research, many of the real experts in the Aquaponics field say that it is one of the worst suited crops, but promoting it really seems to be a great marketing tool to sell the growing systems in our capitalistic society. Our project was strictly food related though, and that didn't include brownies.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 10, 2013 13:09:44 GMT -6
If a business is listed in a particular zone it is allowed. If it's not listed you typically need to get a special use permit. You should have done some more research on aquaponics before going to the city. Sounds like you didn't really know what you were doing and now you're upset that the city didn't see things your way. Before talking typically, maybe you should read our zoning ordinance. It does not say that if the activity is not listed a special use permit is required. It says that the requirement of the next closest business activity should be used. What are you talking about? You have no idea how much research I did, how many facilities I visited, or how many experts I consulted for this project. I'm not upset that they didn't see things my way. I'm upset that they didn't follow our laws. If they did, they would be able to provide justification for it. Like you said, they just weren't accepting of me. I'm not part of their club.
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Post by dog on Oct 10, 2013 13:41:31 GMT -6
We were certainly not planning to grow any marijuana, but if it is done legally, I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed. From reading all your posts on the subject of aquaponics, I believe that your unnamed business person who was wanting to start the business was your son, or at least an immediate relative of yours.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 10, 2013 13:55:35 GMT -6
We were certainly not planning to grow any marijuana, but if it is done legally, I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed. From reading all your posts on the subject of aquaponics, I believe that your unnamed business person who was wanting to start the business was your son, or at least an immediate relative of yours. C'mon dog, you've been following this Aquaponics discussion for long enough. You know that the business person that came to me for help making his building useful was the owner of the building. He was the one putting up the money, not worrying about the probable slow return on it, but just to have a use for his building. A use for a building was the driving force behind this whole project. I'm not posting his name on here, but if you want it on here, go ahead, not a big deal to me.
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Post by dog on Oct 10, 2013 14:05:10 GMT -6
From reading all your posts on the subject of aquaponics, I believe that your unnamed business person who was wanting to start the business was your son, or at least an immediate relative of yours. C'mon dog, you've been following this Aquaponics discussion for long enough. You know that the business person that came to me for help making his building useful was the owner of the building. I'm not posting his name on here, but if you want it on here, go ahead, not a big deal to me. As tricky as you are at times, it could still be your son. I don't know for a fact that your son does not own a building in this town and had plans to put an aquaponics business in it. Even in your response above, you state the business person came to you asking for help, but your son is a business owner and he might be an owner of a building. Is your son or an immediate relative, that business person?
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Post by northsider on Oct 10, 2013 14:06:02 GMT -6
Before talking typically, maybe you should read our zoning ordinance. It does not say that if the activity is not listed a special use permit is required. It says that the requirement of the next closest business activity should be used. Which section of the zoning ordinance says this? Maybe I'm missing something but I'm looking at chapter 17.32 permissible uses section of the streator municipal code (www.municide.com/Library) and I don't see this verbiage anywhere. Please direct me to the proper section, I might have overlooked it.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 10, 2013 14:13:06 GMT -6
No, it is not my son or any family member at all.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 10, 2013 14:24:40 GMT -6
Before talking typically, maybe you should read our zoning ordinance. It does not say that if the activity is not listed a special use permit is required. It says that the requirement of the next closest business activity should be used. Which section of the zoning ordinance says this? Maybe I'm missing something but I'm looking at chapter 17.32 permissible uses section of the streator municipal code (www.municide.com/Library) and I don't see this verbiage anywhere. Please direct me to the proper section, I might have overlooked it. I was paraphrasing it of course: 17.32.040 Permissible uses and specific exclusions. A. The presumption established by this chapter is that all legitimate uses of land are permissible within at least one zoning district in the city's planning jurisdiction. Therefore, because the list of permissible uses set forth in Appendix A cannot be all inclusive, those uses that are listed shall be interpreted liberally to include other uses that have similar impacts to the listed uses. B. Notwithstanding subsection A of this section, all uses that are not listed in Appendix A and have impacts in excess of the other uses listed, are prohibited. Nor shall Appendix A be interpreted to allow a use in one zoning district when the use in question is more closely related to another specified use that is permissible in other zoning districts.
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Post by northsider on Oct 10, 2013 15:01:43 GMT -6
Paraphrasing is putting it lightly. Misreading, misunderstanding, or misusing is more appropriate. Is this what you have been basing your claim of illegal, excessive restrictions by the city on? If that's the case, I stand by my assertion that you should have done more research. I may be wrong but it appears that you didnt know what you were doing.
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Post by northsider on Oct 10, 2013 15:06:01 GMT -6
Assertion not buttertion. Not sure why spellcheck changed that on me. I don't wants butters all upset with me!
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Post by cityslicker on Oct 10, 2013 15:21:03 GMT -6
I would like to see an adult entertainment venue opened. The city needs to repeal the ban on this form of artful expression. Bring back the classy and entertaining businesses, that were once, a must see. Besides, local unemployment, might decrease and city tax coffers, will fill.
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