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Post by dog on Jul 23, 2011 16:36:29 GMT -6
It isnt just democrats, its politicians in general. Animals dont have to worry about keeping their jobs. Animals have no agenda. Once a politician wins his office, his agenda shifts from DOING his job..............to KEEPING his job. Most animals dont usually bite the hand that feeds them , where an elected official will take your hand off all the way to the shoulder,and then tell you that it was for your own good. I'll have to agree with you on that... Trouble is that in the past they were praised for{bringing home the bacon}I don't know about you,but as far as I"m concerned-this hogs out of fat........ Time to pull back and live within our means! Living within our means is the smart play. Of course, it doesnt help when our government lives beyond its means, and our citizens follow suit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 5:07:48 GMT -6
These times are a little bit different than March 2006. No they arent, its still a sign of failure. Do you know the difference between an actual failure and "a sign of failure?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 5:43:16 GMT -6
You really did not just say that did you? That will go down as one of the most asinine words ever posted on SO. Then expain, after going into almost $11 trillion in debt in 2008, what this country had to show for that debt other than a global economic collapse? Obama barely invested a trillion, and with that, we bought time to get our act together, saved our auto industry, provided opportunity to a secondary education to millions, began repairing our neglected and failing infrastructure, provided emergency unemployment benefits and assistance to billions affected by the collapse, provided health insurance to millions of children, began the process of providing affordable health insurance to all Americans so they can be responsible for their own health care, began making payments back to Social Security, invested into alternative energies, invested into American capitalists, took out master-mind of 9/11, inspired democracy around the world, repealed DADT, provided the recognition of equality to more Americans, and more. Continued intelligent investment into our country will stimulate capitalism and our economy, and, in return, we can begin to pay down our debt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 6:12:01 GMT -6
I've seen animals learn from trial and error many times. Could it be they are smarter than Democrats? It isnt just democrats, its politicians in general. Animals dont have to worry about keeping their jobs. Animals have no agenda. Once a politician wins his office, his agenda shifts from DOING his job..............to KEEPING his job. Most animals dont usually bite the hand that feeds them , where an elected official will take your hand off all the way to the shoulder,and then tell you that it was for your own good. I agree. What's worse is we allow it. Our representatives shouldn't be concerned with who's going to support their campaigns during the next elections, but rather representing their constituents. Our representatives work for us and us only. As employees, we would never get away with incompetency, insubordination, and defiance. In turn, as employers, we would never tolerate such things. So why do we put up with these things from our elected officials (that we compensate very well)?
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Post by dog on Jul 24, 2011 8:09:52 GMT -6
No they arent, its still a sign of failure. Do you know the difference between an actual failure and "a sign of failure? Do you understand how I used "sign of failure" in my post? I am not referring to whether the economy failed or not, I was referrring that the asking for an increase in the debt ceiling was sign of failure.
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Post by dog on Jul 24, 2011 8:12:02 GMT -6
You really did not just say that did you? That will go down as one of the most asinine words ever posted on SO. Then expain, after going into almost $11 trillion in debt in 2008, what this country had to show for that debt other than a global economic collapse? Obama barely invested a trillion, and with that, we bought time to get our act together, saved our auto industry, provided opportunity to a secondary education to millions, began repairing our neglected and failing infrastructure, provided emergency unemployment benefits and assistance to billions affected by the collapse, provided health insurance to millions of children, began the process of providing affordable health insurance to all Americans so they can be responsible for their own health care, began making payments back to Social Security, invested into alternative energies, invested into American capitalists, took out master-mind of 9/11, inspired democracy around the world, repealed DADT, provided the recognition of equality to more Americans, and more. Continued intelligent investment into our country will stimulate capitalism and our economy, and, in return, we can begin to pay down our debt. Could you clairfy a point for me? Was the total debt almost 11 trillion in 2008 or was 11 trillion added to the debt in 2008?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 9:08:06 GMT -6
Could you clairfy a point for me? Was the total debt almost 11 trillion in 2008 or was 11 trillion added to the debt in 2008? www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGatewayDebt does not include real costs of toxics assets or total repayment owed to Social Security Trust.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 9:11:20 GMT -6
Do you know the difference between an actual failure and "a sign of failure? Do you understand how I used "sign of failure" in my post? I am not referring to whether the economy failed or not, I was referrring that the asking for an increase in the debt ceiling was sign of failure. Raising the debt ceiling isn't a sign of failure but a sign we need more credit. In this case to pay bills due.
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Post by dog on Jul 24, 2011 9:12:58 GMT -6
Do you understand how I used "sign of failure" in my post? I am not referring to whether the economy failed or not, I was referrring that the asking for an increase in the debt ceiling was sign of failure. Raising the debt ceiling isn't a sign of failure but a sign we need more credit. In this case to pay bills due. Do you borrow more money to pay your bills 4iam?
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Post by dog on Jul 24, 2011 9:17:38 GMT -6
Could you clairfy a point for me? Was the total debt almost 11 trillion in 2008 or was 11 trillion added to the debt in 2008? www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGatewayDebt does not include real costs of toxics assets or total repayment owed to Social Security Trust. Thanks for the link. At the end of 2008 we had almost 11 trillion in debt. It had risen from 9.2 trillion at the beginning of '08 to 10.7 trillion at the end of '08. So an increase of about 1.5 trillion. Is that correct?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 24, 2011 11:21:42 GMT -6
Raising the debt ceiling isn't a sign of failure but a sign we need more credit. In this case to pay bills due. The failure is to prevent FUTURE bills being due that we cannot even remotely hope to pay for. Let me guess, you have a degree in Economic, right? How are you going to handle the 100 TRILLION in future obligations! Hmmmmmmm?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 24, 2011 11:36:27 GMT -6
Then expain, after going into almost $11 trillion in debt in 2008, what this country had to show for that debt other than a global economic collapse? Obama barely invested a trillion, and with that, we bought time to get our act together, saved our auto industry, provided opportunity to a secondary education to millions, began repairing our neglected and failing infrastructure, provided emergency unemployment benefits and assistance to billions affected by the collapse, provided health insurance to millions of children, began the process of providing affordable health insurance to all Americans so they can be responsible for their own health care, began making payments back to Social Security, invested into alternative energies, invested into American capitalists, took out master-mind of 9/11, inspired democracy around the world, repealed DADT, provided the recognition of equality to more Americans, and more. Continued intelligent investment into our country will stimulate capitalism and our economy, and, in return, we can begin to pay down our debt. Lets cut to the chase, shall we? Bush takes over, 5,727,776,738,304 and a few pennies. Bush LEAVES, 10,626,877,048,913. Almost 5 TRILLION added in 8 years. Wholly unacceptable, and we EXCORIATED him for it. We get the Messiah. Start 10,625,053,544,309 2-1/2 years later, 14,342,884,944,996. That's 3.717 TRILLION in 2-1/2 years........... And you try and say if we just give him more MONEY? Sorry, take it out of YOUR pocket, mines almost empty.
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Post by freedom12 on Jul 24, 2011 13:21:04 GMT -6
I don't know too many financial planners that will tell you,"To get out of debt, you need to go more in debt". Heck the USA has attacked more countries than Hitler. Stop bombing a few countries and see how much money we save.
Nope the answer to this problem is simply cutting excessive spending on the military and other wasteful programs.
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Post by Shipman1 on Jul 24, 2011 14:11:47 GMT -6
My thoughts are 80% of americans think both sides are currupt. Then we have the other 20% of idiots that fight over which side is worse. Whats worse is they do it acting like they are well educated. If yall were that d**n smart, you would think you would relize it's a losing battle, no matter which side your on.
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Post by greekgod on Jul 24, 2011 15:54:43 GMT -6
Then expain, after going into almost $11 trillion in debt in 2008, what this country had to show for that debt other than a global economic collapse? Obama barely invested a trillion, and with that, we bought time to get our act together, saved our auto industry, provided opportunity to a secondary education to millions, began repairing our neglected and failing infrastructure, provided emergency unemployment benefits and assistance to billions affected by the collapse, provided health insurance to millions of children, began the process of providing affordable health insurance to all Americans so they can be responsible for their own health care, began making payments back to Social Security, invested into alternative energies, invested into American capitalists, took out master-mind of 9/11, inspired democracy around the world, repealed DADT, provided the recognition of equality to more Americans, and more. Continued intelligent investment into our country will stimulate capitalism and our economy, and, in return, we can begin to pay down our debt. Lets cut to the chase, shall we? Bush takes over, 5,727,776,738,304 and a few pennies. Bush LEAVES, 10,626,877,048,913. Almost 5 TRILLION added in 8 years. Wholly unacceptable, and we EXCORIATED him for it. We get the Messiah. Start 10,625,053,544,309 2-1/2 years later, 14,342,884,944,996. That's 3.717 TRILLION in 2-1/2 years........... And you try and say if we just give him more MONEY? Sorry, take it out of YOUR pocket, mines almost empty. Sniper, Wait, you forgot to factor in the revenue coming into the U.S. Treasury before the "Bush Tax Cuts". the cost of the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the number of people collecting unemployment when "W" was sworn in as POTUS, and the number of people collecting unemployment when "W" left office as POTUS on 1/20/09. WHEN UNEMPLOYMENT INCREASE THE REVENUE TO THE U.S. TREASURY DECREASES. Oh, how about that Real Estate Bubble, the near collapse of the Financial System not only in the U.S. but worldwide. Do you care to explain derivatives to us? I didn't think so, nor will I, hell I do not beleive many people can, even if they deal with them. Sniper, you rage about the the economy not improving, and want to hang the tag around President Obama's Neck as "owning the economy" now. Oh, yeah the Dem's controlled the U.S. Congress right? Well, until Sen. Ted Kennedy (D), Mass. died they did. After that there was an end to the "Filibuster Proof" Senate. Then the "G'No'P" GAME began. The "G'No'P" began their grand scheme to ensure President Obama would not serve a second term. Those TAXPAYERS making less than " ONE MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR" BE DAMNED. The "G'No"P" must protect those "Job Creators", right? You know those making more than a million a year from any tax increases. After all look how many JOBS they created during "W" ' term. You know from the time "W" was inaugurated to the time President Obama was inaugurated. Nah, you might not want to look at that. I must admit I do not blame "W". I blame the entire philosophy of the "G'No'P" and now the "Tea Party" and ANY POLITICIAN who owes their allegiance to Grover Norquist's PLEDGE. If the philosophy of the "G'No'P" had worked, due to the continued "Bush Tax Cuts'', those "Job Creators" should be bringing down the Unemployment Rate after how many years? I wonder why the Unemployment rate increase at all during "W" 's Presidency or continues not to improves as the "JOB CREATORS" still enjoy their 'BENES. What do you think Sniper? g ;D
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