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Post by freedom12 on Sept 15, 2011 7:35:10 GMT -6
Sorry FZ, I wasn't misquoting PM, just going from memory of what the article said. They did make it seem difficult to track them, when in fact, it would have been easy to ID the 4 planes because only one set of numbers would appear on screen when the rest of the planes had 2. As for whether they actually had the knowledge of how to shut off the transponders, well, that's a different story. Remember, some of these guys couldn't barely fly a Cessna.
Another problem was the remarkable coincidence that the government was running multiple drills that day. I believe ATC's were ordered to destroy data disks that day also.
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Post by freedom12 on Sept 15, 2011 7:47:06 GMT -6
BTW, this video was posted on youtube yesterday.
I actually was the first to debunk it! It purports to show WTC 7 from the opposite side, but the opposite side does not look the same. So, yes I do my homework. Someone had some fun editing it.
Just to show, I don't automatically believe every piece of BS put out there and I do question the "facts".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 8:15:03 GMT -6
I actually was the first to debunk it! It purports to show WTC 7 from the opposite side, but the opposite side does not look the same. So, yes I do my homework. Someone had some fun editing it. Just to show, I don't automatically believe every piece of BS put out there and I do question the "facts". For the sake of argument, let me ask you, so what? It was the terrorist's intention to destroy the World Trade Towers, the Pentagon, and possibly a third target in the US. We know it is was well planned and orchestrated, and somewhat successful. They flew planes into the Trade Towers and the Pentagon, and the terrorists used explosives too. So what?
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Post by freedom12 on Sept 15, 2011 8:25:50 GMT -6
Did you even read my post you quoted?
I'm simply saying, I DO NOT believe everything put of there. I research it on my own before coming to any conclusions.
The video above, I responded to the uploader and told him/her it was fake. The YT uploader deleted my comments and it now says "This channel is not available. " when you click on the posters name.
Not to be harsh 4iam, but a lot of your posts make ABSOLUTELY no sense!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 9:18:20 GMT -6
Did you even read my post you quoted? I'm simply saying, I DO NOT believe everything put of there. I research it on my own before coming to any conclusions. The video above, I responded to the uploader and told him/her it was fake. The YT uploader deleted my comments and it now says "This channel is not available. " when you click on the posters name. Not to be harsh 4iam, but a lot of your posts make ABSOLUTELY no sense! I am just asking about all of the things you propose about 9/11, and for agument's sake, let's assume everything you propose is true. Bring it to conclusion. So what?
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Post by FZ on Sept 15, 2011 11:34:31 GMT -6
Sorry FZ, I wasn't misquoting PM, just going from memory of what the article said. They did make it seem difficult to track them, when in fact, it would have been easy to ID the 4 planes because only one set of numbers would appear on screen when the rest of the planes had 2. As for whether they actually had the knowledge of how to shut off the transponders, well, that's a different story. Remember, some of these guys couldn't barely fly a Cessna.
Another problem was the remarkable coincidence that the government was running multiple drills that day. I believe ATC's were ordered to destroy data disks that day also. Well, I personally can't say how easy or hard it would have been to track these planes, so i defer to other information out there that seems to be the most logical. the argument that it would have been easy to track the planes, I just don't know. I know it is easy to type "It would have been easy to track those planes" from the ol' computer chair. That little excerpt also mentions switching off transponders or changing their codes. I myself come down on the side that it was easier said than done - hindsight is 20/20. This was happening live with lots of confusion.
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Post by freedom12 on Sept 15, 2011 12:33:20 GMT -6
And the multiple military drils they were running that day, supposedly included false blips on radars if I remember right FZ. Changing codes on transponders probably is a little more complex than simply switching them off.
Can you believe some moron actually made the fake video I posted above? It's those guys that give people that actually try to find out facts like myself , a bad name.
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Post by freedom12 on Sept 15, 2011 12:37:32 GMT -6
"For the sake of argument, let me ask you, so what?"-4iam
So what? If this all was a false flag op, then the trillions of dollars spent, the 4000 soldiers killed, and several wars going on, and over a million people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, was all for naught!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 16:48:16 GMT -6
"For the sake of argument, let me ask you, so what?"-4iam So what? If this all was a false flag op, then the trillions of dollars spent, the 4000 soldiers killed, and several wars going on, and over a million people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, was all for naught! Totally unprovable. Forever. You remind me of the medieval theologians who argued about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. You can can write about it all you want and I can rip on you about your stupidity whenever I am inclined to. That fact is something you're going to have to live with.
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Post by freedom12 on Sept 15, 2011 19:44:26 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 11:45:11 GMT -6
"For the sake of argument, let me ask you, so what?"-4iam So what? If this all was a false flag op, then the trillions of dollars spent, the 4000 soldiers killed, and several wars going on, and over a million people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, was all for naught! How about facts? Let's examine the indisputable facts regarding 9/11. Planes were flown into the World Trade Towers and they were destroyed. A third building, untouched by any plane, was destroyed. The Pentagon had been damaged (by a plane or not). We'll also assume explosives were in fact used by the terrorists. The pilots have been killed, Osama has been connected and killed, and other bad guys connected have been killed. The US passed the Patriot Act and created the Dept of Homeland Security. The 9/11 victims are honored, and a new building at Ground Zero is being built. More importantly, regardless of the intricate details of 9/11, it has already been accepted with the mere absence of WMDs (investigated and reported by CIA Valerie Plame & team long before 9/11), the trillions spent, the millions of lives destroyed, and the wars and instability created has all been for naught. So what? Move on to a conclusion and ending, one way or another.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 8:37:03 GMT -6
Stop this "foolness," huh? Suits you.
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Post by freedom12 on Sept 17, 2011 9:07:18 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 11:04:00 GMT -6
Thanks for a pic of your new digs! It's great that you found a place to live after your granny finally kicked your sorry a$$ out. Fishin' available too, huh? That's great! You run a laptop down there, huh? Watch for moisture, it's hell on computers and we wouldn't want to miss it when you finally post that 9-11 piece you bragged about for so long. You know, the one that never quite made the paper? Yeah...THAT one. Post it.
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Post by freedom12 on Sept 23, 2011 14:47:50 GMT -6
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