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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 15, 2016 10:50:02 GMT -6
When "they" (the established leadership that controls what does and doesn't go on here) start thinking more about the people who they very publicly and falsely declare "illegal" (without providing them Constitutional Due Process rights), I'll start worrying more about my mistake in clearly identifying who "they" are. Yes, I do believe that most people should be smart enough to be able to see that although a face may have changed at City Hall, just because the established leadership here rehired another puppet to carry out their objectives, not much of anything has really changed. Obviously the City Manager position in Streator does not handle the day to day operation of our City, otherwise an event at City Park approved and scheduled by the City Manager wouldn't suddenly need Council approval when the Mayor receives his invitation to participate and a clear code violation would be directed by our City Manager to the code enforcement officer that works under him for proper enforcement of our laws instead of the issue being grand-standed in front of the Council (and local press), don't you think? Gee "longtimelurker", don't you already know from your "long time lurking" which sections of our Constitution I speak of? Certainly if you knew what is in our Constitution you wouldn't have to question which amendment numbers, would you? Try reading numbers 5 and 14. Gee, I must be an idiot then. How exactly were your rights from these amendments violated? The guy who "looked at you" has since passed. You were never brought up on criminal charges in a court of law, nor were you sentenced without due process. You were never personally named either. You said it, not me. What difference does it make that a Councilman has passed away? Do you think that somehow makes it acceptable that our City has assassinated peoples' character and caused them damages by falsely and very publicly declaring the citizens as being "illegal" without first providing them any of their due process rights? No, I was never even made aware of their charges before they waived the Constitutional requirement of filing charges and providing me a chance to present any evidence (like their own zoning ordinance) that we were not guilty. Yes, they judged us themselves as being guilty, and handed down their sentence of assassinating my family's character to the public by making their declaration of us being "illegal" in front of the press to be on the cover of the newspaper, causing damages. Then when we brought light to their Accessory Use ordinance, they claimed that they would "look into it" (as if after they make their very public declaration of business owners being "illegal" is a good time for them to actually read their laws), but continued their sentence of assassinating my family's character by refusing to even acknowledge that we were in fact not residing "illegally". They named two buildings that had Special Use permits and declared that the rest of the downtown residents were "illegal". That absolutely included my family who many people already knew resided above my son's business. Do you really think that it matters at all that they didn't specifically name my family members individually? If I were to name a couple of Council members who do not take bribes and say that the rest of them do, would that be acceptable because I didn't specifically name the ones who do take bribes to allow the illegal activities to continue here? Perhaps they should just start to show that they are actually addressing the problems and not be attacking people for simply asking for better for their community, don't you think?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 15, 2016 10:51:15 GMT -6
Amendment 5 states due process be part of any criminal or civil legal proceedings that denies a citizen "life, liberty or property". Did they take you to court? If not your rights were not violated. Amendment 14 states the same thing about due process by appropriate legislation. How did they violate this? You weren't charged therefore your rights weren't violated. Gee kickstand, perhaps you have a different copy of the Constitution than I do. I believe the real Amendments are much longer than that. You do know that it also includes many years of Supreme Court interpretation as well, don't you? Are you thinking that you are going to create your own interpretation of our Constitution in some Streatoronline court to try to create some "injunction" against my Free Speech right to keep saying that I believe it is wrong for our leaders to be attacking business owners (or anyone) here simply for asking for better for our community? Do you think our City leaders should so very publicly and falsely attack people who ask for better for their community? Do you really like the poor image that our community continues to be hurt by and laughed at for?
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Post by longtimelurker on Apr 15, 2016 11:08:56 GMT -6
Gee, I must be an idiot then. How exactly were your rights from these amendments violated? The guy who "looked at you" has since passed. You were never brought up on criminal charges in a court of law, nor were you sentenced without due process. You were never personally named either. You said it, not me. Do you really think that it matters at all that they didn't specifically name my family members individually? If I were to name a couple of Council members who do not take bribes and say that the rest of them do, would that be acceptable because I didn't specifically name the ones who do take bribes to allow the illegal activities to continue here? Perhaps they should just start to show that they are actually addressing the problems and not be attacking people for simply asking for better for their community, don't you think? Gee, when was the last time you were attacked by city leaders for asking for better? Gee, you sure have some accusations - bribes, violations of the constitution. Do you have any proof? You're making accusations and calling people law breakers without giving due process either. Maybe you should be a city leader because your actions seem to fit right in. "You said it not me" - what does that make you then. You're the one arguing with an idiot.
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Post by longtimelurker on Apr 15, 2016 11:16:29 GMT -6
Gee, I must be an idiot then. How exactly were your rights from these amendments violated? The guy who "looked at you" has since passed. You were never brought up on criminal charges in a court of law, nor were you sentenced without due process. You were never personally named either. You said it, not me. No, I was never even made aware of their charges before they waived the Constitutional requirement of filing charges and providing me a chance to present any evidence (like their own zoning ordinance) that we were not guilty. Yes, they judged us themselves as being guilty, and handed down their sentence of assassinating my family's character to the public by making their declaration of us being "illegal" in front of the press to be on the cover of the newspaper, causing damages. Then when we brought light to their Accessory Use ordinance, they claimed that they would "look into it" (as if after they make their very public declaration of business owners being "illegal" is a good time for them to actually read their laws), but continued their sentence of assassinating my family's character by refusing to even acknowledge that we were in fact not residing "illegally". They named two buildings that had Special Use permits and declared that the rest of the downtown residents were "illegal". That absolutely included my family who many people already knew resided above my son's business. And in what court of law did this "sentence" get handed down to you? The way I see it, you may be able to claim slander. That is it. No constitutional violation.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 15, 2016 11:28:41 GMT -6
You said it, not me. What difference does it make that a Councilman has passed away? Do you think that somehow makes it acceptable that our City has assassinated peoples' character and caused them damages by falsely and very publicly declaring the citizens as being "illegal" without first providing them any of their due process rights? No, I was never even made aware of their charges before they waived the Constitutional requirement of filing charges and providing me a chance to present any evidence (like their own zoning ordinance) that we were not guilty. Yes, they judged us themselves as being guilty, and handed down their sentence of assassinating my family's character to the public by making their declaration of us being "illegal" in front of the press to be on the cover of the newspaper, causing damages. Then when we brought light to their Accessory Use ordinance, they claimed that they would "look into it" (as if after they make their very public declaration of business owners being "illegal" is a good time for them to actually read their laws), but continued their sentence of assassinating my family's character by refusing to even acknowledge that we were in fact not residing "illegally". They named two buildings that had Special Use permits and declared that the rest of the downtown residents were "illegal". That absolutely included my family who many people already knew resided above my son's business. Do you really think that it matters at all that they didn't specifically name my family members individually? If I were to name a couple of Council members who do not take bribes and say that the rest of them do, would that be acceptable because I didn't specifically name the ones who do take bribes to allow the illegal activities to continue here? Perhaps they should just start to show that they are actually addressing the problems and not be attacking people for simply asking for better for their community, don't you think? Gee, when was the last time you were attacked by city leaders for asking for better? Gee, you sure have some accusations - bribes, violations of the constitution. Do you have any proof? You're making accusations and calling people law breakers without giving due process either. Maybe you should be a city leader because your actions seem to fit right in. You really don't understand what our Constitution is about, do you? The Constitutional Due Process requirements are for our all powerful government with their vast authority, tax payer funded legal teams, and many other resources. The Constitution allows citizens the Freedom of Speech to talk about what they want from their supposed "by the people, for the people" government. If I do say something that is wrong, they do have their tax payer funded team of attorneys to stop me. At Council Meeting Public Forums (none allowed at their "illegal" sentencing against my family though) their legal team routinely stops me at their three minute time limit, but doesn't use the slander portion of that same ordinance when I call some of what they have done (including their "illegal" declation) "corrupt" to stop me. That is very telling, don't you think?
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Post by longtimelurker on Apr 15, 2016 11:34:12 GMT -6
Gee, when was the last time you were attacked by city leaders for asking for better? Gee, you sure have some accusations - bribes, violations of the constitution. Do you have any proof? You're making accusations and calling people law breakers without giving due process either. Maybe you should be a city leader because your actions seem to fit right in. You really don't understand what our Constitution is about, do you? The Constitutional Due Process requirements are for our all powerful government with their vast authority, tax payer funded legal teams, and many other resources. The Constitution allows citizens the Freedom of Speech to talk about what they want from their supposed "by the people, for the people" government. If I do say something that is wrong, they do have their tax payer funded team of attorneys to stop me. At Council Meeting Public Forums (none allowed at their "illegal" sentencing against my family though) their legal team routinely stops me at their three minute time limit, but doesn't use the slander portion of that same ordinance when I call some of what they have done (including their "illegal" declation) "corrupt" to stop me. That is very telling, don't you think? I would guarantee that if they stopped you for that "slander portion" you'd claim a 1st amendment violation. The 1st amendment isn't all encompassing either. You can be arrested for saying some things. Like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. Your understanding of the constitution should be in question. The constitutional due process requirements are for a court of law. No charges were filed in court against ypu.
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Post by kickstand on Apr 15, 2016 11:40:59 GMT -6
Amendment 5 states due process be part of any criminal or civil legal proceedings that denies a citizen "life, liberty or property". Did they take you to court? If not your rights were not violated. Amendment 14 states the same thing about due process by appropriate legislation. How did they violate this? You weren't charged therefore your rights weren't violated. Gee kickstand, perhaps you have a different copy of the Constitution than I do. I believe the real Amendments are much longer than that. You do know that it also includes many years of Supreme Court interpretation as well, don't you? Are you thinking that you are going to create your own interpretation of our Constitution in some Streatoronline court to try to create some "injunction" against my Free Speech right to keep saying that I believe it is wrong for our leaders to be attacking business owners (or anyone) here simply for asking for better for our community? Do you think our City leaders should so very publicly and falsely attack people who ask for better for their community? Do you really like the poor image that our community continues to be hurt by and laughed at for? Answer where your constitutional rights have been violated. If you weren't charged you've never had your rights violated. They can say all they want, just like you. 7 blabbering people ignorant of each other's rights.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 15, 2016 18:46:04 GMT -6
I've transferred the on-going "attack what Kyle has to say" conversation to the more appropriately titled thread, Kyle's Blog - Why Streator has so few businesses.
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Post by vol42 on Jun 7, 2016 13:31:07 GMT -6
Times just updated. OSF Healthcare Streator intends to stay put in that building and no longer are building a new facility. Intend to use all 6 floors.
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Post by dive61364 on Jun 7, 2016 14:02:37 GMT -6
it think that's great news. it beats them tearing down a perfectly good building and making a parking lot. that building looks in great condition outside and inside.
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Post by capncrunch on Jun 7, 2016 15:36:36 GMT -6
Times just updated. OSF Healthcare Streator intends to stay put in that building and no longer are building a new facility. Intend to use all 6 floors. I hope that is good news. It certainly seems like a good building with years of use left in it. I hope it will be fully utilized and perhaps they will need more Employees in the future for whatever they have planned for the other floors. I certainly hope the other floors will not be mothballed or just used for storage, records, etc. The third floor is being used. The doctors offices on that floor is not a bad idea consider the lab and the Urgent care is in the same building.
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Post by dog on Jun 8, 2016 7:48:13 GMT -6
Glad to hear they are going to use the same building. Hopefully with OSF at the helm, the hospital can grow and be an asset to the community as it once was years ago.
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Post by otto on Jun 8, 2016 20:50:32 GMT -6
Without a doubt, this is the most positive news for streator that been reported for quite some time. I never could understand why it would have ever been contemplated to demolish the structure to begin with. The building, both the old section and the newer section are as sound as a rock...and well maintained.
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Post by toshiko on Jun 9, 2016 15:16:25 GMT -6
Times just updated. OSF Healthcare Streator intends to stay put in that building and no longer are building a new facility. Intend to use all 6 floors. Great news. Maybe, they will realize we need our own, even tho small, hospital. This could be better news than ever!!!
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 10, 2016 6:12:22 GMT -6
Glad to hear they are going to use the same building. Hopefully with OSF at the helm, the hospital can grow and be an asset to the community as it once was years ago. Hospital? I didn't hear that they were making it a hospital again, isn't it still going to basically be just outpatient services? If they were to make it a hospital again, our City Manager who thinks the closing of it is going to somehow lower employers' health care costs enough to help repatriate jobs here will likely be very upset, wouldn't you think?
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