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Post by oldtimer on Mar 23, 2014 14:59:28 GMT -6
Is it true that the superintendent was NEVER a classroom teacher! Would YOU like to have a guy who read books about building houses...but never built one himself...build YOUR house? What does building houses have to do with running a school district? Not a good comparison at all. You don't have to have taught to be an administrator? Lol I think you aren't taking all of Butterbeans comparison into account. He isn't saying that building houses has anything to do with running a school district. He is saying that even though a guy who reads a book about building a house will probably not be able to build a house as well as someone who builds them before. I feel that an administrator who was only taught to be an administrator and has had no practical experience in dealing with teachers, students, and parents, on a daily basis, would be an inferior administrator to one that worked their way up through the teaching process. I think that is the same problem with some of these corporate execs. They are book smart but have n practical knowledge of how business actually works. Sure, on paper, their plans may work in large areas like NYC, Chicago, or LA, but they have no working knowledge of how things are different in the sticks. Too many rely on educaton rather than sensibility and practical experience.[/quote] The janitor has a job to do, the teacher has a job to do and the administrator has a job to do. It would be much.more difficult to be an administrator in NYC, Chicago or LA when compared to.little old streator. Much easier here. It makes no differnece whatsoever if the administrator was a teacher. Does he also have to be a janitor and make lunches in the cafeteria? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 15:40:36 GMT -6
What does building houses have to do with running a school district? Not a good comparison at all. You don't have to have taught to be an administrator? Lol I think you aren't taking all of Butterbeans comparison into account. He isn't saying that building houses has anything to do with running a school district. He is saying that even though a guy who reads a book about building a house will probably not be able to build a house as well as someone who builds them before. I feel that an administrator who was only taught to be an administrator and has had no practical experience in dealing with teachers, students, and parents, on a daily basis, would be an inferior administrator to one that worked their way up through the teaching process. I think that is the same problem with some of these corporate execs. They are book smart but have n practical knowledge of how business actually works. Sure, on paper, their plans may work in large areas like NYC, Chicago, or LA, but they have no working knowledge of how things are different in the sticks. Too many rely on educaton rather than sensibility and practical experience. The janitor has a job to do, the teacher has a job to do and the administrator has a job to do. It would be much.more difficult to be an administrator in NYC, Chicago or LA when compared to.little old streator. Much easier here. It makes no differnece whatsoever if the administrator was a teacher. Does he also have to be a janitor and make lunches in the cafeteria? Posted by BB: It's time to ask this question of you. What exactly do you think an administrator of teachers and schools has to KNOW about teachers and schools in order to do the job to the best of his/her ability and to maximize the potential of the students, staff, parents, and children he/she is supposed to serve? (I think you're pulling my chain and will cease with this particular line of thought after I post this. You CAN'T be this stupid...can you?) |
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 23, 2014 17:19:53 GMT -6
What does building houses have to do with running a school district? Not a good comparison at all.
You don't have to have taught to be an administrator? Lol I can't argue with that. We assume he has the proper certification. But, look at the results of that fact. And hey, junior...the next time you need a surgeon...don't go to a practitioner...find somebody that's just read about it to cut you open. Butter bean, You are going to call me stupid? Oh my god. Normally I never respond to your posts because you don't have a clue, but, since you called me stupid I'll take the gloves off. I'd love to know what your profession is as your thoughts on this board are so off base its not even funny. You try to make comparisons with people building homes and practicioners and doctors and they are out of place. Again, because you are clueless. You said I was stupid because administrators need to be teachers before they can be administrators. That is the icing on the cake and anyone with half a brain can now see what i see.... that you are clueless. You have no clue. These are just a few small examples. I could come up with more reasons as to why I don't normally respond to you as you are clueless. And, I got three messages over the last hour from two people telling me how stupid you are. Good luck, dopey. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 3:28:04 GMT -6
I can't argue with that. We assume he has the proper certification. But, look at the results of that fact. And hey, junior...the next time you need a surgeon...don't go to a practitioner...find somebody that's just read about it to cut you open. Butter bean, You are going to call me stupid? Oh my god. Normally I never respond to your posts because you don't have a clue, but, since you called me stupid I'll take the gloves off. I'd love to know what your profession is as your thoughts on this board are so off base its not even funny. You try to make comparisons with people building homes and practicioners and doctors and they are out of place. Again, because you are clueless. You said I was stupid because administrators need to be teachers before they can be administrators. That is the icing on the cake and anyone with half a brain can now see what i see.... that you are clueless. You have no clue. These are just a few small examples. I could come up with more reasons as to why I don't normally respond to you as you are clueless. And, I got three messages over the last hour from two people telling me how stupid you are. Good luck, dopey. This post of yours isn't even a good try, "oldtimer." Buuuuut...it's all you can muster in this case. |
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Post by job on Mar 24, 2014 10:48:33 GMT -6
Because I know nothing about District 44’s superintendent, I will make no comments about him or his qualifications. However, I have worked with somewhere near 100 school superintendents and with around 25 village administrators or city managers. The road to superintendency, particularly in small schools is fairly typical: coaching and teaching for a few years and some time as a building principal. Along the way, the prospective superintendent will take the required classes to qualify as a superintendent. Those classes focus more on education than on management. By the time an individual becomes a superintendent, they have usually been out of the classroom for many years.
In contrast, a prospective village administrator or city manager usually obtains an MPA from schools such as the University of Kansas or NIU; both of those schools are consistently rated in the top five MPA granting institutions in the country. An MPA, or Masters in Public Administration, is the public sector correlative to the private sector’s MBA. After receiving an MPA, the aspiring municipal executive usually starts out as an Administrative Assistant and then hopes to move up to a position as an Assistant Manager or Assistant Administrator before making the jump to manager or administrator.
In most municipalities, the managers or administrators have never worked as a police officer, a fire fighter or public work’s employee. As mentioned above, most superintendents in small schools have been classroom teachers. In short, municipalities typically parallel the private sector approach to management.
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Post by chevypower on Mar 24, 2014 11:25:43 GMT -6
RESEARCHING THIS, SEEMS JOB IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
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Post by job on Mar 24, 2014 13:10:03 GMT -6
I love my Brother dearly. He is a teacher and loves books. I share a love for books and knowledge, but his is just a little over the edge. He told me one time to give him a book and he can learn to do anything. I looked right at him and told him that he could take a metallurgist with all his education and learning and knowledge of metals and have him try to shoe a horse. I will take a blacksmith or furrier any day. There is something to be said for book knowledge, it is quite another for hands on, getting it done experience. I coached the shot and discus at a suburban high school for a few years. At SHS, I qualified for the state finals. The best shot and discus coach I ever saw was a guy named George Dunn at Oak Lawn High School; he was a hurdler in college. He got stuck coaching the shot and discus because the head coach was also a hurdler in college and handled the track events. oaklawn.patch.com/groups/sports/p/oak-lawn-s-cappos-credits-coach-for-shot-put-state-title He was inducted into the Illinois Track and Cross Country Hall of Fame in 1989. Also, some of the best trainers of boxers never boxed. |
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Post by helencrump on Mar 28, 2014 4:14:35 GMT -6
James Patterson is a best selling murder mystery writer. As far as I know, he's never murdered anyone.
Should a pilot be required to build the plane before they fly one?
Back to locking up the building....who exactly has an issue with the secretaries locking up? Them?
Or just the op and a few members of so? Was this just a question the op had, or did someone really have an issue withit? If so, does someone have a link to the article in the paper?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 5:56:03 GMT -6
I think that good arguments can be made on both sides of the issue. If the job as superintendent requires more supervision and oversight of financial and political affairs than of leadership in the areas of educational/curricular knowledge and issues related directly to teachers/instructional practices - someone with no experience in the classroom or as a building principal may do fine.
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Why did/would a small district like ours hire someone like THAT when the position calls for someone with the total package – someone with both financial and educational/classroom experience?
Also, the nuts and bolts of running a school is done by the building principals. How the hell can their job performances be evaluated in its entirety when the people they supervise aren't given a stake in the principal's performance appraisals? Teachers are college educated professionals, not special needs adults living in halfway houses. The offhand manner in which teachers are dismissed nowadays is partly their fault and the result of society looking for a scapegoat, IMO.
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Post by helencrump on Mar 28, 2014 7:16:58 GMT -6
We are one of the few (only?) societies that do not value and respect our teachers. These are the people that spend the greatest amount of time with our kids, other than parents. If we don't start listening to them, and giving them the respect they deserve, there won't be any good ones left.
They spend their day educating your child, and their evenings on lesson plans for the next day. So many are in tune to struggles kids are going through outside of the classroom, also. I've seen them bring hats, gloves, coats to kids that don't have them. They have fundraisers for kids diagnosed with cancer, or have lost their home through fire. They buy supplies for their classrooms out of their own pocket. They lend an ear when a child is having a bad day.
They grab a group of kids, and lay on top of them when a tornado rips through their school. They've placed themselves between a child and a shooter.
And are they thanked for that? How many parents ever send a note to their child's teacher just saying thanks, and have a great day? Make them feel that they are making a difference. And show your child that their teacher needs to be respected.
If things don't change, we are going to see a nation of illiterates. Personally, you couldn't pay me enough to be in the education field.
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Post by cityslicker on Mar 28, 2014 10:53:08 GMT -6
Teachers are thanked with very high taxpayer supported wages. If they do not like their job, let them try to find a comparable wage equivalent job, in the private sector. A long
summer vacation, high salaries, and taxpayer supported insurance, try to get that in the open market. Let them whine!
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Post by dog on Mar 28, 2014 11:19:49 GMT -6
Teachers are thanked with very high taxpayer supported wages. If they do not like their job, let them try to find a comparable wage equivalent job, in the private sector. A long summer vacation, high salaries, and taxpayer supported insurance, try to get that in the open market. Let them whine! I would be curious to know how a public school teachers pay compares to a private school teachers pay. |
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Post by cityslicker on Mar 28, 2014 15:01:47 GMT -6
I was thinking more of a comparison of a chain brand ice cream business versus a low budget family type.
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Post by Snarko on Mar 29, 2014 12:20:32 GMT -6
Teachers are thanked with very high taxpayer supported wages. If they do not like their job, let them try to find a comparable wage equivalent job, in the private sector. A long summer vacation, high salaries, and taxpayer supported insurance, try to get that in the open market. Let them whine! Very high wages? Yeah, right. Must have been why my parents had two private jets, while you couldn't have one. And as for the summer vacations, I will make this point YET AGAIN, just so you and all the others that feel this way can ignore it YET AGAIN: The teachers don't set the school schedule - the state does. If you want the schedule changed, go on down to Springfield and get it changed. Now I'm going to go wait for the next one of these teacher-bashing threads to pop up. Because obviously none of you will learn a freaking thing, and illustrate just how badly teachers are actually needed. |
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Post by cityslicker on Mar 29, 2014 14:31:03 GMT -6
Several make 80 thousand and more. Compare their educational background with the private sector and see if the 9 months a year comparison is valid. It looks like very well paid
racket the teachers have now adays. The teachers can buy some very good cheese, with their "WHINE" at Kr*gers.
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