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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 7, 2015 21:43:38 GMT -6
Kyle, Wow, now "you're confident" proof would not eliminate those who "attack" you. I believe those who you believe are "attacking" you are simply questioning your, 1. innuendos, 2. accusations, 3. opinion, 4. hearsay, 5. claims, and 6. suggestions that the State's Attorney "agrees with you". Sorry Kyle, in my opinion, you are your on worst enemy. It really doesn't appear you care to present evidence, and again, only my opinion, just want to continue to bash our city officials. But of course that is you Constitutional right. Do you really believe this "Rant" has endeared you to Streator and it's residents? According to what you have said, posting the letter would not prove anything, because it would not include our judicial system. I think you might be wrong about those who attack me. Do you really think that they were attempts to question some innuendos, accusations, hearsay, or opinions when snow on my sidewalks was brought into question, or there was a claim that my family was sleeping at the Majestic or that I took a tax deduction for donations, or bashing for the color I painted my building, or for having fresh eggs? No, attacks are what I think they have been, not questions. I noticed that you didn't show where you think I might have suggested that the State'a Attorney agrees with me. Why not? Did you also notice that the City of Streator didn't seem to want to provide any evidence that my family had done anything illegal either, but they just seem to want to continue to bash my family? The difference is that they work for me, it is my right to bash them without having to provide any evidence, and not illegal like when they do it to citizens.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 7, 2015 21:43:52 GMT -6
No, I don't think it would do anything further to prove my point. I'm confident that even if I were to post it, that you, greek and others would still continue to attack me for talking about it being wrong. Do you really think I need to back up my claim? If he didn't require industrial zoning, don't you think that Mayor Lansford, Willy, or one of our other leaders would have called me out by now for saying that he did? Do you think Mayor Lansford would just sit there quietly at the Council Meeting Public Forum despite his ordinance to stop me if I say anything that is not true, and let me say that his industrial zoning requirement goes against our laws and is corrupt? Mayor Lansford stopped a business with a requirement that goes against our laws. If that statement is false, maybe he should correct me or file a legal claim against me, but I really don't have to "prove" anything to you or greek, do I? But you saw no problem in repeatedly posting a pic of the back of the Mushro building or videos of fights.You seemed to think that posting those items would help your cause, why not this letter? If your statement is true, then maybe you should show proof and correct HIM publically or file a legal claim against HIM. It is not so much proving anything to me or Greek, it is about proving things to a much bigger constituent isn't it? How about a copy of the letter in a voice of the people, or maybe an article by Derek to solidify your claim? Here's your chance Kyle, I am NOT telling you to be quiet, I am ENCOURAGING you to get the word out to more people. I find it highly entertaining that someone like Greek or myself, can get you to NOT further your attacks against the mayor by suggesting that you actually post something in his own writing that would prove your point. Hilarious! I think you have it backwards. I don't have to provide any proof or take anyone to court to be able to talk about the truth of what has happened. Do you really think that you and greek are getting me to not do something, or were you trying some kind of reverse psychology? That is hilarious, except I am not laughing with you, but at you.
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Post by dog on Mar 8, 2015 8:35:04 GMT -6
I think you have it backwards. I don't have to provide any proof or take anyone to court to be able to talk about the truth of what has happened. You might not have to provide proof to talk about the things you do, but if you want the people to believe what you say IS the truth, you need to provide proof to back up your claim. Otherwise, it comes across as only your opinion or innuendo. Especially in the case of this letter from the mayor. You have repeatedly referenced it,but by not providing it as proof, a person wonders if it really exists or if it says what you conclude it says. Other than not wanting to satisfy our desire to see that letter, do you have any legitimate reason NOT to show it to us?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2015 9:37:56 GMT -6
I think you have it backwards. I don't have to provide any proof or take anyone to court to be able to talk about the truth of what has happened. You might not have to provide proof to talk about the things you do, but if you want the people to believe what you say IS the truth, you need to provide proof to back up your claim. Otherwise, it comes across as only your opinion or innuendo. Especially in the case of this letter from the mayor. You have repeatedly referenced it,but by not providing it as proof, a person wonders if it really exists or if it says what you conclude it says. Would my posting the letter really be proof of anything? Couldn't I take the real letter and photoshop in colplumb's profanity laced claims of being Mayor Lansford and wanting to fight tourists? If people don't want to believe from my repeated publicly asking the Mayor for an explanation and his lack of denying his ridiculous, unjustified requirement, posting the letter certainly isn't going to satisfy. Like greek would say, it didn't come from our judicial system. Other than not wanting to satisfy our desire to see that letter, do you have any legitimate reason NOT to show it to us? No.
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Post by colplumb on Mar 8, 2015 10:16:09 GMT -6
You probably photoshopped all those pictures and videos you posted too Kyle. Now it all makes sense.
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Post by dog on Mar 8, 2015 11:11:31 GMT -6
You might not have to provide proof to talk about the things you do, but if you want the people to believe what you say IS the truth, you need to provide proof to back up your claim. Otherwise, it comes across as only your opinion or innuendo. Especially in the case of this letter from the mayor. You have repeatedly referenced it,but by not providing it as proof, a person wonders if it really exists or if it says what you conclude it says. Would my posting the letter really be proof of anything? Couldn't I take the real letter and photoshop in colplumb's profanity laced claims of being Mayor Lansford and wanting to fight tourists? If people don't want to believe from my repeated publicly asking the Mayor for an explanation and his lack of denying his ridiculous, unjustified requirement, posting the letter certainly isn't going to satisfy. Like greek would say, it didn't come from our judicial system. Other than not wanting to satisfy our desire to see that letter, do you have any legitimate reason NOT to show it to us? No. First off, you might photo shop for fun, but in this case I don't think you would. Secondly , it would prove that either the mayor said it was a requirement or that you misinterpreted his opinion as a requirement. I would tend to be more on your side if you were right but without seeing the letter I will continue to think you are wrong about it. With no legitimate reason not to show it, it is like you are trying to hide some thing.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 11, 2015 10:06:26 GMT -6
Would my posting the letter really be proof of anything? Couldn't I take the real letter and photoshop in colplumb's profanity laced claims of being Mayor Lansford and wanting to fight tourists? If people don't want to believe from my repeated publicly asking the Mayor for an explanation and his lack of denying his ridiculous, unjustified requirement, posting the letter certainly isn't going to satisfy. Like greek would say, it didn't come from our judicial system. No. First off, you might photo shop for fun, but in this case I don't think you would. Secondly , it would prove that either the mayor said it was a requirement or that you misinterpreted his opinion as a requirement. I would tend to be more on your side if you were right but without seeing the letter I will continue to think you are wrong about it. With no legitimate reason not to show it, it is like you are trying to hide some thing. Gee dog, why don't you just ask Mayor Lansford if he required industrial zoning or not? His industrial zoning requirement has been talked about at several Council Meetings, as well as in letters to the newspaper, why do you suppose that he wouldn't just clear it up and say that it wasn't his requirement but just an opinion?
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Post by dog on Mar 11, 2015 10:35:16 GMT -6
First off, you might photo shop for fun, but in this case I don't think you would. Secondly , it would prove that either the mayor said it was a requirement or that you misinterpreted his opinion as a requirement. I would tend to be more on your side if you were right but without seeing the letter I will continue to think you are wrong about it. With no legitimate reason not to show it, it is like you are trying to hide some thing. Gee dog, why don't you just ask Mayor Lansford if he required industrial zoning or not? His industrial zoning requirement has been talked about at several Council Meetings, as well as in letters to the newspaper, why do you suppose that he wouldn't just clear it up and say that it wasn't his requirement but just an opinion? The Mayor isn't the one talking about it, you are. No one is asking the mayor priovide it at all. We are all asking you to provide it. If it wasn't for you bringing it up, I don't think anybody would worry about it. The ball is in your court, not his.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 11, 2015 11:01:04 GMT -6
Gee dog, why don't you just ask Mayor Lansford if he required industrial zoning or not? His industrial zoning requirement has been talked about at several Council Meetings, as well as in letters to the newspaper, why do you suppose that he wouldn't just clear it up and say that it wasn't his requirement but just an opinion? The Mayor isn't the one talking about it, you are. No one is asking the mayor priovide it at all. We are all asking you to provide it. If it wasn't for you bringing it up, I don't think anybody would worry about it. The ball is in your court, not his. I asked the Mayor to provide it, and am telling you what he provided. It isn't my fault that you don't want to believe me. Posting the letter will not prove anything to "all" who are asking (greek already said that a judicial system finding is required), so there is no reason to post it. I talk about his requirement because I believe it does not follow the laws as I expect our City to. The Mayor should have provided his justification for it or admitted that it was wrong. Since he wouldn't, I will keep talking about it as one of the problems here that I want to know has changed so that other perspective businesses are not ever given a requirement that is not able to be justified by our laws.
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Post by dog on Mar 11, 2015 11:28:13 GMT -6
The Mayor isn't the one talking about it, you are. No one is asking the mayor priovide it at all. We are all asking you to provide it. If it wasn't for you bringing it up, I don't think anybody would worry about it. The ball is in your court, not his. I asked the Mayor to provide it, and am telling you what he provided. It isn't my fault that you don't want to believe me. Posting the letter will not prove anything to "all" who are asking (greek already said that a judicial system finding is required), so there is no reason to post it. I talk about his requirement because I believe it does not follow the laws as I expect our City to. The Mayor should have provided his justification for it or admitted that it was wrong. Since he wouldn't, I will keep talking about it as one of the problems here that I want to know has changed so that other perspective businesses are not ever given a requirement that is not able to be justified by our laws. A lot of people dont believe that the executive action that the President took on immigration follows are laws either. But it is still legal until someone challenges it in court and renders a judicial finding.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 11, 2015 11:52:48 GMT -6
I asked the Mayor to provide it, and am telling you what he provided. It isn't my fault that you don't want to believe me. Posting the letter will not prove anything to "all" who are asking (greek already said that a judicial system finding is required), so there is no reason to post it. I talk about his requirement because I believe it does not follow the laws as I expect our City to. The Mayor should have provided his justification for it or admitted that it was wrong. Since he wouldn't, I will keep talking about it as one of the problems here that I want to know has changed so that other perspective businesses are not ever given a requirement that is not able to be justified by our laws. A lot of people dont believe that the executive action that the President took on immigration follows are laws either. But it is still legal until someone challenges it in court and renders a judicial finding. In Streator it seems that murdering children, robbing banks, burning down buildings, having shoot outs, and fighting and pulling your pants down in public are legal too. Just because consequences don't happen for people breaking our laws doesn't mean that they were not broken or that any of it is right. I certainly am not going to file a lawsuit against the City of Streator to be able to try to open a business and I don't think that people should have to file lawsuits to get our City to follow the laws. If our City wasn't so quick to very publicly declare business owners illegal when they are not and then refuse to acknowledge that they were not, I might be more apt to agree with your innocent until proven guilty concept. Since they had no problem falsely judging and attacking my family without even allowing us to explain our side, and considering that I've allowed our Mayor plenty of opportunity to explain his side before even saying that I think his requirement is illegal, I'm really not too concerned about whether I have any judicial finding or not.
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Post by cmon on Mar 11, 2015 16:58:46 GMT -6
Long story short. Kyle doesn't have the letter or he would produce it. Excuses, excuses.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2015 10:30:30 GMT -6
Long story short. Kyle doesn't have the letter or he would produce it. Excuses, excuses. Gee, all you have to do is ask your Mayor if he did require industrial zoning for Aquaponics or not. While you are at it, ask him what he thinks the most closely related business activity to Aquaponics is. Don't be afraid, he is just one of your employees.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2015 10:44:27 GMT -6
About the Timex, I really do believe that somewhere and sometime in your growing up years, you probably needed a good oldbutttapping. And had you grown up in our town, somebody would have given it to you, sorta like playground style. I heard that there was one of your playground style butttapping, treated like a Timex, attitude adjustments at the high school. I wonder if the bullies read SO and got their inspiration from our City leaders promoting violence as being acceptable here. Please pray for the victim.
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Post by cmon on Mar 12, 2015 11:07:48 GMT -6
You always ask others for proof Kyle. You made the statement about a letter. So produce it. You are a babbling contradiction.
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