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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 13, 2015 7:11:08 GMT -6
You always ask others for proof Kyle. You made the statement about a letter. So produce it. You are a babbling contradiction. Yes, I have asked for proof from our City leaders because I believe that our government is supposed to be for the people and that we should be able to hold those who work for us accountable for what they do. I don't feel that they should be able to make public declarations that people are illegal without showing proof that they actually are. I also don't think they should stop a business with a requirement that they can not prove is part of our laws. I don't have to produce any letter. I have already posted the contents of it many times. The Mayor calls approval an "up hill battle". Obviously the leader of our community was against the project and was prepared to "fight" to keep it from happening. The only thing he recommends I go to his Planning & Zoning appointees for is to ask for a ridiculous change to industrial zoning on Main Street. Unlike dog tries to imply, the industrial zoning couldn't be just the Mayor's opinion because he states that he consulted the City Manager and Community Development Director to make the decision. Don't you wonder why he didn't even mention the Zoning Administrator? I would like to know what business activity listed in our Zoning Ordinance's Table of Permissible Uses each of those three thought was most closely to Aquaponics to require industrial zoning. They certainly should easily be able to provide that to respond to one of my many requests (including at open Council Meetings), or if I didn't have such a letter, they certainly would deny ever requiring industrial zoning, wouldn't they? You could look up a Councilman's published letter to the Time's editor in response to my talking about the requirement going against our laws and being corrupt, where he doesn't even deny that industrial zoning was required, if you don't believe. I'll be happy to keep talking about our City leaders turning away a business with a requirement that goes against our laws as long as you want to keep replying with your attacks.
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Post by cmon on Mar 13, 2015 12:35:57 GMT -6
I repeat---A babbling contradiction.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 14, 2015 11:23:08 GMT -6
I repeat---A babbling contradiction. The contradiction is between what our written laws and what our City does..
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Post by father of two on Mar 14, 2015 13:10:53 GMT -6
I assume that since both sides choose not to pursue legal means to prove their position is correct, that both are right. Only a court can determine who that is,
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 18, 2015 6:14:22 GMT -6
I suppose that you think it is appropriate for our City leaders to be promoting violence as being acceptable here like they do. I am not really concerned about someone with that mentality thinking that I am an idiot. If our City leaders started denouncing violence instead of allowing it to continue and trying to make it seem acceptable, maybe our population and property values wouldn't decline as much as they have been. Don't you think that could be possible, or do you really think people like the violence that happens here? What kind of a stupid, moron are you? OK, who let majestic out of his cage? The kind who knows that violence, whether kids pushing each other down the stairs at school or people being beaten outside of bars, is bad for our community and that our City leaders promoting it as being acceptable just creates more of it.
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Post by greekgod on Mar 18, 2015 18:55:16 GMT -6
What kind of a stupid, moron are you? OK, who let majestic out of his cage? The kind who knows that violence, whether kids pushing each other down the stairs at school or people being beaten outside of bars, is bad for our community and that our City leaders promoting it as being acceptable just creates more of it. Kyle, You now accuse "our City leaders PROMOTING it, i.e. violence, whether kids pushing each other down the stairs at the school or.........." Really? g
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Post by greekgod on Mar 18, 2015 19:38:25 GMT -6
A lot of people dont believe that the executive action that the President took on immigration follows are laws either. But it is still legal until someone challenges it in court and renders a judicial finding. "In Streator it seems that murdering children, robbing banks, burning down buildings, having shoot outs, and fighting and pulling your pants down in public are legal too." "I certainly am not going to file a lawsuit against the City of Streator...." " I'm really not too concerned about whether I have any judicial finding or not. Kyle, So in my opinion, all you want to do is to keep posting, accusations, innuendoes, and repeating hearsay. In my opinion you have no interest in the betterment of Streator or it's government, all you seem to do is spread your aspersions on our city. You know Kyle, I always found it interesting when you wanted to do a "Clean-Up City Park" where you would provide the garbage bags, you wanted to start at the south east corner. You now, where the Popcorn cups, and soft drink cups, perhaps from the Majestic Theater could be picked up first, before the volunteers left. Tell you what Kyle, our City had a "Clean Up Streator Campaign" very close to yours. I saw families meeting at Churches walking North-South and East West through so many of our blocks. It was planned in advance of your "event". Again, Kyle it in my opinion, you just seem SO SELF-SERVING. Oh, and about that "debate" you suggested to the DBOA, you did know that another organization sponsers a Candidates Debate before the City elections, right? Guess what Kyle, Streator and it's citizens does not need "THE KYLE MITCHELL SEAL OF APPROVAL" to continue to grow. Streator is growing, making progress with the expansion of a business on our northside, and the "incubator" facility being planned. We will continue to grow despite your whining. Good luck to you in future business ventures. From what I know about business personally, and this again is just my opinion, you have a have a lot to learn about being successful, simply because you move into a community and expect everyone to support your ideas, and then whine if they don't. I could be wrong though. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 21, 2015 9:37:52 GMT -6
In Streator it seems that murdering children, robbing banks, burning down buildings, having shoot outs, and fighting and pulling your pants down in public are legal too. "I certainly am not going to file a lawsuit against the City of Streator...." " I'm really not too concerned about whether I have any judicial finding or not. Kyle, So in my opinion, all you want to do is to keep posting, accusations, innuendoes, and repeating hearsay. In my opinion you have no interest in the betterment of Streator or it's government, all you seem to do is spread your aspersions on our city. You know Kyle, I always found it interesting when you wanted to do a "Clean-Up City Park" where you would provide the garbage bags, you wanted to start at the south east corner. You now, where the Popcorn cups, and soft drink cups, perhaps from the Majestic Theater could be picked up first, before the volunteers left. Tell you what Kyle, our City had a "Clean Up Streator Campaign" very close to yours. I saw families meeting at Churches walking North-South and East West through so many of our blocks. It was planned in advance of your "event". Again, Kyle it in my opinion, you just seem SO SELF-SERVING. Oh, and about that "debate" you suggested to the DBOA, you did know that another organization sponsers a Candidates Debate before the City elections, right? Guess what Kyle, Streator and it's citizens does not need "THE KYLE MITCHELL SEAL OF APPROVAL" to continue to grow. Streator is growing, making progress with the expansion of a business on our northside, and the "incubator" facility being planned. We will continue to grow despite your whining. Good luck to you in future business ventures. From what I know about business personally, and this again is just my opinion, you have a have a lot to learn about being successful, simply because you move into a community and expect everyone to support your ideas, and then whine if they don't. I could be wrong though. g Sure, I did start some of my community clean ups at my business. It wasn't for the soda cups and popcorn bags though, it was for the beer bottles and plastic beer cups everywhere in the area, the trash that I don't think most people like seeing littering our sidewalks when they bring their kids out for family entertainment. I've got lots of pictures of beer bottles and cups on the sidewalks if you want me to post some. Why do they even serve draft beer in plastic containers in what used to be the glass container capital of the world? Is it because they know that people are going to be allowed to break the law and to encourage them to carry their open containers out onto our streets? I suppose that you could see it as self serving of me to clean up the area around my business to try to have it be a better experience for people to come to a show so that we could have local theatre. You think what you want, but I think it could also be seen as something that served the community. Grow? Maybe you should take a look at population statistics and property values, they certainly don't indicate growth. Growth by annexation doesn't cover for the fact that people are leaving Streator. It seems to me that a lot of good people are leaving and there seems to be some other elements moving in to enjoy the low property values. Maybe even the people who held the shoot out a couple of months ago have taken our Mayor up on his invitation for them to stay in the community, who knows?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 21, 2015 9:39:35 GMT -6
The kind who knows that violence, whether kids pushing each other down the stairs at school or people being beaten outside of bars, is bad for our community and that our City leaders promoting it as being acceptable just creates more of it. Kyle, You now accuse "our City leaders PROMOTING it, i.e. violence, whether kids pushing each other down the stairs at the school or.........." Really? g Gee greek, where have you been? I've been saying for a long time that some of our City leaders and many of their supporters promote violence as being acceptable here. A Councilwoman's husband, who is also a START team leader and a tourism Commission member, posted a video of a fight in Naperville to try to make the street fights here seem acceptable. A former Councilman also posted suggesting that there was something wrong with me because i didn't go to Streator schools to receive one of his playground style butttapping, attitude adjustment, being treated like a Timex, making it seem acceptable for individual students in schools here to decide who deserves some type of beat down. I even posted a video of our City witnessing it and then letting perpetrators of violence just walk away without any consequences. I've been talking about it being a problem that our City leaders make violence out as being acceptable here for a long time now, maybe you should pay more attention.
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Post by greekgod on Mar 21, 2015 13:23:56 GMT -6
Kyle, You now accuse "our City leaders PROMOTING it, i.e. violence, whether kids pushing each other down the stairs at the school or.........." Really? g Gee greek, where have you been? I've been saying for a long time that some of our City leaders and many of their supporters promote violence as being acceptable here. Kyle, Oh, I know what you've been saying. All I read are your accusations, innuendoes, hearsay "evidence", interpretations of other's posts, and in my opinion your vindictive and self serving attitude. Hey, did you finally move the box, it looked liked it contained clothing, from in front of Flips entrance? I noticed it last Sunday, it looked a little "trashy" to me, and it was still there last Thursday. g
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Post by greekgod on Mar 21, 2015 14:01:16 GMT -6
Kyle, So in my opinion, all you want to do is to keep posting, accusations, innuendoes, and repeating hearsay. In my opinion you have no interest in the betterment of Streator or it's government, all you seem to do is spread your aspersions on our city. You know Kyle, I always found it interesting when you wanted to do a "Clean-Up City Park" where you would provide the garbage bags, you wanted to start at the south east corner. You now, where the Popcorn cups, and soft drink cups, perhaps from the Majestic Theater could be picked up first, before the volunteers left. Tell you what Kyle, our City had a "Clean Up Streator Campaign" very close to yours. I saw families meeting at Churches walking North-South and East West through so many of our blocks. It was planned in advance of your "event". Again, Kyle it in my opinion, you just seem SO SELF-SERVING. Oh, and about that "debate" you suggested to the DBOA, you did know that another organization sponsers a Candidates Debate before the City elections, right? Guess what Kyle, Streator and it's citizens does not need "THE KYLE MITCHELL SEAL OF APPROVAL" to continue to grow. Streator is growing, making progress with the expansion of a business on our northside, and the "incubator" facility being planned. We will continue to grow despite your whining. Good luck to you in future business ventures. From what I know about business personally, and this again is just my opinion, you have a have a lot to learn about being successful, simply because you move into a community and expect everyone to support your ideas, and then whine if they don't. I could be wrong though. g "Sure, I did start some of my community clean ups at my business. It wasn't for the soda cups and popcorn bags though,...." "I suppose that you could see it as self serving of me to clean up the area around my business to try to have it be a better experience for people to come to a show so that we could have local theatre.." " Maybe even the people who held the shoot out a couple of months ago have taken our Mayor up on his invitation for them to stay in the community, who knows?" Kyle, In my opinion, again you offer accusations and disparaging remarks toward our City Officials without proof. Oh, also in my opinion you offer excuses for what you concede could be interpreted as self serving actions by you in a "Clean up City Park" project. You did know about the "Clean Up Streator" project, which is very well attended, didn't you? Real growth is occurring Kyle. Factories are hiring more employees, workers are working longer hour , and manufacturing plants are expanding. Go ahead Kyle visit, Owens Illinois, Vactor, ALM, just to name a few. Oh, a plans for an "incubator" facility to grow future businesses Again, I do not believe Streator needs, "THE KYLE MITCHELL SEAL OF APPROVAL" to grow. Oh, and it doesn't need mine either. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 22, 2015 11:22:39 GMT -6
Gee greek, where have you been? I've been saying for a long time that some of our City leaders and many of their supporters promote violence as being acceptable here. Kyle, Oh, I know what you've been saying. All I read are your accusations, innuendoes, hearsay "evidence", interpretations of other's posts, and in my opinion your vindictive and self serving attitude. Hey, did you finally move the box, it looked liked it contained clothing, from in front of Flips entrance? I noticed it last Sunday, it looked a little "trashy" to me, and it was still there last Thursday. g My interpretations of other people's posts? Are you trying to imply that I just interpreted posts wrong? When our Tourism Commission member, councilwoman's husband posted the video of the Naperville fight with his crude comments, I posted my interpretation of his post and asked him to explain his meaning behind it, but he didn't respond to disclaim my interpretation. If you think that my interpretation that he was trying to make the violence here seem acceptable is wrong, what do you think he meant by posting the video? Doesn't it seem that he thinks the violence is acceptable and that I should stop asking that our leaders to enforce our laws to control it? When I gave my interpretation of Willy's being treated like a Timex comment, he came back to elaborate using terms like playground style butttappings, attitude adjustments for smart mouthed people, and turning people into either boxers or track stars. When I gave my interpretation that he is making it seem as if it is acceptable for individuals to decide who deserves to be victim of violence, he stopped posting without providing a better interpretation of what he had posted. Doesn't it seem that he was trying to make it out to be acceptable for students here to inflict violence on others if they don't like what is said? Gee greek, maybe the person who left that trashy looking box on Main Street can't read to know that it is posted not to leave items there. Maybe our City should have there be consequences for people who put trash on Main Street, don't you think?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 22, 2015 11:33:11 GMT -6
"Sure, I did start some of my community clean ups at my business. It wasn't for the soda cups and popcorn bags though,...." "I suppose that you could see it as self serving of me to clean up the area around my business to try to have it be a better experience for people to come to a show so that we could have local theatre.." " Maybe even the people who held the shoot out a couple of months ago have taken our Mayor up on his invitation for them to stay in the community, who knows?" Kyle, In my opinion, again you offer accusations and disparaging remarks toward our City Officials without proof. Oh, also in my opinion you offer excuses for what you concede could be interpreted as self serving actions by you in a "Clean up City Park" project. You did know about the "Clean Up Streator" project, which is very well attended, didn't you? Real growth is occurring Kyle. Factories are hiring more employees, workers are working longer hour , and manufacturing plants are expanding. Go ahead Kyle visit, Owens Illinois, Vactor, ALM, just to name a few. Oh, a plans for an "incubator" facility to grow future businesses Again, I do not believe Streator needs, "THE KYLE MITCHELL SEAL OF APPROVAL" to grow. Oh, and it doesn't need mine either. g Proof? The City didn't have to provide any proof to make their very public and false declaration that business owners were illegal, why should I? My talking about what they have done is not a violation of anyone's Constitutional Rights like their proof-less declaration, right? It's printed right in the paper that the Mayor said that they didn't want to give the public information about the shoot out participants so that they didn't leave the area. Isn't that inviting them to stay here? I'm not making any excuses for it being self serving to clean up the area around a business to give a movie theatre a better chance to exist here. It could also be considered very self serving of our Mayor to not allow City Park to be used for candidates to talk about ideas to clean up our community. Is being self serving by cleaning up the area around a business really anything to worry about when you compare it to the leader of our community being self serving by denying people their First Amendment Rights? Business expansions here are a good thing and I do applaud those efforts, however as long as our population keeps declining, I really don't think that we can be considered to be growing. Gee greek, I don't think that I ever said that the City needs my seal of approval, did I? However, I also don't need anyone to approve my continuing to talk about my disapproval of what they do either, do I? Isn't it my right to talk about what I want from our government (that should be by the people and for the people) including asking for less violence here all I want, just like you, Willy, hawk, our other City leaders, and their supports can talk about wanting more violence here too?
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Post by cmon on Mar 22, 2015 16:03:18 GMT -6
It's funny Kyle that you talk about being able to produce pictures of trash, plastic cups, violence in the streets and still can't produce a letter you claim the mayor sent you.
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Post by chevypower on Mar 23, 2015 11:22:18 GMT -6
Kyle, you really should be producing said facts and complaints in personal and not on line, you must want too get payback on Streator right? I think it's obvious. You're rants are doing nothing but hurting a reputation of a town, and for any Business who want's to locate here, well let's just say it's not good the way you are judging.
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