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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 27, 2015 7:25:55 GMT -6
I dont need to defend the city in this matter, it is common knowledge that when another agency takes over an investigation,the local authorities follow the orders and instructions of the higher agency. Our guys dont investigate those cases unless instructed to by the agency with jursidiction. So the City of Strteator allows the excessive crime to continue waiting to be instructed by other agencies? Have other agencies "taken over" all of the investigations here? When the officer let people fighting by the movie palace just walk away, was that our City waiting to be instructed by other agencies? Will they only take an eyewitness statement of a mugging when they are instructed by other agencies? Do you think it was another agency who instructed the City to rat me out to the open container offenders instead of enforcing the law to create a better environment for family businesses like a movie theatre? I guess if the tourist didnt bother to file a complaint, then the States Attorney wouldnt have the name of the victim. Do you really think that this States Attorney is going to bother with a crime that not even the victim bothers to report or press charges? Brian Towne doesnt even want to prosecute petty cases where he has a willing complaintent. He is more concerned with and spends his resources going after the high profile cases such as major drug busts along the interstate. Didn't bother? What are you talking about? Do you not remember our conversations as to why I call him a tourist? Despite what MT4 recently posted, I never said that I witnessed the "tourist" beating. It was close friends of the tourist coming to me looking for video evidence that made me aware of the incident. More than one of his friends told me that SPD told the victim that nothing was going to be done about his beating because he was on someone else's turf. That is what prompted me to send the letter to Brian Towne asking if Streator was like some third world country where people from other places had no rights. So now are you really trying to claim that the tourist was just too lazy to file a report? Why do you think they are called Police reports? The guy was hospitalized with head trauma, yet you think he was supposed to fill out his own report and file it with the State's Attorney? Really? I was also told that the attacker was an employee of the bar. In a another incident, bar employees claim that they were just trying to get someone to leave, didn't bother to call Police, but broke the person's jaw out on Main St., well outside the bar's door. Some of their employees have gone by names of "Bruiser" and "Danger". It seems that the bar promotes the violence. If they are going to have the illegal gambling tax cheating crap going on inside the bar, wouldn't you think that they could control the crap on the streets so that we could have other businesses like a movie palace in the area? BTW, doesnt it seem strange that now you actually ARE illegal, for not removing snow in accordance with the ordinance? So I guess you cant talk about the city calling you illegal when you are not, since you are now illegal. Funny, I dont see the city calling you illegal now, or fining you. Yes, the City is calling me and many others illegal with their ordinance. They knew before creating that ordinance that it was their policy to push the snow from the street onto the sidewalks and that it would be practically impossible for property and business owners to adhere to the ordinance to be legal. How could they possibly not realize that they would be calling people illegal by passing the ridiculous ordinance?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 27, 2015 7:29:52 GMT -6
How's that "working on your own" going? Doesnt appear to be working so good for him. Ever since he got really vocal, and "working on his own" his son had to move hundreds of miles away so dad's "good intentions" wouldn't cause him to lose another business. Yes, isn't it a shame that my simply asking for less bar violence and better for our community created such vindictive attacks from the City of Streator to cause the loss of businesses here? You would think that the Constitution would allow citizens the opportunity to talk about what they would like for their community without having to pay for it with vindictive false attacks from our government. What a slap in the face to the many who have made great sacrifices to try to provide us those freedoms. You don't think that my son felt that tourists being beaten on Main St. and the rest of the excessive violence was good for businesses here, do you? Considering the condition of our downtown, it doesn't seem that those working WITH the City of Streator are producing very good results either. Maybe they should start doing things differently.
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Post by dog on Feb 27, 2015 9:10:32 GMT -6
I dont need to defend the city in this matter, it is common knowledge that when another agency takes over an investigation,the local authorities follow the orders and instructions of the higher agency. Our guys dont investigate those cases unless instructed to by the agency with jursidiction. So the City of Strteator allows the excessive crime to continue waiting to be instructed by other agencies? Have other agencies "taken over" all of the investigations here? You specifically asked about the unsolved crimes of bank robberies, arson, and child murders. I said that those crimes are now the jurisdiction of other agencies. I did not suggest that ALL crime is handled by other agencies, and that the SPD has to ask for instructions concerning those local crimes that haven't been taken over by other agencies.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 27, 2015 13:46:05 GMT -6
So the City of Strteator allows the excessive crime to continue waiting to be instructed by other agencies? Have other agencies "taken over" all of the investigations here? You specifically asked about the unsolved crimes of bank robberies, arson, and child murders. I said that those crimes are now the jurisdiction of other agencies. I did not suggest that ALL crime is handled by other agencies, and that the SPD has to ask for instructions concerning those local crimes that haven't been taken over by other agencies. I've been asking about the lack of consequences for crime in general here, more than just those. I think it was the shootout that I was questioning that brought the other unsolved crimes into the conversation. I agree that the City of Streator SHOULD be working WITH other agencies to solve crimes, but what makes you think that the other agencies have "taken over" the investigations? Can you quote some newspaper articles that say investigations have been taken over by other agencies, or that indicate citizens shouldn't expect our City government to provide any consequences for the crimes to keep it from continuing to happen? We have seen the following about the City and Streator: They allow people to just walk away after exposing themselves and fighting in public. Not only did they not enforce the open container laws, they ratted me out to the offenders for reporting the crime. They didn't seem interested in there being any consequences when the tourist was severely beaten. They wouldn't even come take an eyewitness statement of someone being mugged. Our leaders not only offer no solutions, but make vindictive attacks against people who ask, showing that they do not want to work WITH others for better enforcement here. The excessive numbers of violence and other negative incidents keeps hurting our community. You don't really expect people to believe that the problem is with the other agencies, do you?
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Post by greekgod on Feb 27, 2015 21:28:54 GMT -6
I never said that I witnessed the "tourist" beating..... I was also told that the attacker was an employee of the bar. If they are going to have the illegal gambling tax cheating crap going on inside the bar,...... Kyle, All I read in your rant is hearsay, innuendo, and accusations. In my opinion all you want to do is "pin the tail" on others for a failed business venture. Somehow, I bet it will keep happening to you no matter where you go. Just my opinion. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 3, 2015 8:41:10 GMT -6
I never said that I witnessed the "tourist" beating..... I was also told that the attacker was an employee of the bar. If they are going to have the illegal gambling tax cheating crap going on inside the bar,...... Kyle, All I read in your rant is hearsay, innuendo, and accusations. In my opinion all you want to do is "pin the tail" on others for a failed business venture. Somehow, I bet it will keep happening to you no matter where you go. Just my opinion. g Gee greek, do you think that hearsay, innuendo, and accusations stop our City leaders from making their vindictive attacks against business owners? You don't think that their false public declaration of illegal against business owners was based on any proven facts or even our laws, do you? How about Willy's claim that my family was doing something to create his head turning, you don't think it was based on any facts, do you? How about your claim that I had taken any kind of tax deduction for donations made at the Majestic, is it anything more than a false accusation? Yes, the City and their supporters have used hearsay, innuendo, and accusations to attack my family many times. You aren't trying to imply that it is acceptable for the City of Streator and their supporters to attack people with hearsay, innuendo, and accusations, but that others can't talk about what they feel are problems hurting our community, are you? Your quote seemed very selective. Are you making a claim that a tourist was not beaten on Main Street, that a bar employee was not involved, and that illegal gambling has not gone on? I may not have witnessed the beating, but I did see video, had conversations with close friends of the victim, and multiple conversations with the SA's office. I an confident that I do know enough about the tourist beating to consider it much more than hearsay, innuendo, or just accusations; it is part of the reality of downtown Streator that keeps us from having more businesses like a movie palace. Why didn't you include the rest of that last sentence? Wouldn't you really think that if they were going to have the illegal gambling going on inside the bar that they would try to control the crap that goes on out in the streets? Instead they had people with violence promoting names like "Danger" and "Bruiser", a tourist got beaten and hospitalized with head trauma, someone they "wanted to leave" got his jaw broken well outside the bar door without a call to police even, among many other negative incidents. You aren't trying to say that the illegal gambling is just hearsay, innuendo, or accusation, are you? That would be pretty funny. When I actively participated in Neighborhood Watch, even our Police Chief didn't deny that it goes on. He claimed that when they go into the bars, it is all put away behind the bar, and "that's private property". It always sounded to me like he was trying to make me believe that our City was just not smart enough to be able to stop it. It's not like it was any kind of secret that it goes on. All you would have to do is walk into the bar to see it going on. Does our City expect everyone to believe that they are just not smart enough to know that it exists? Do they think the public likes all the tax increases they pass as they allow some businesses to cheat the system and also compete with others who are doing it right and paying their taxes? Having all that unreported income from illegal gambling, doesn't it seem like they could at least try to control the violence to create a better business environment for others in the area? Maybe then we would be able to have a movie palace and more businesses here. Too bad that instead of talking about solutions to the problems, the City of Streator has vindictively attacked people who ask for better. Maybe someday they will start doing things differently, but will pigs fly first?
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Post by greekgod on Mar 3, 2015 20:33:31 GMT -6
Kyle, All I read in your rant is hearsay, innuendo, and accusations. In my opinion all you want to do is "pin the tail" on others for a failed business venture. Somehow, I bet it will keep happening to you no matter where you go. Just my opinion. g Gee greek, do you think that hearsay, innuendo, and accusations stop our City leaders from making their vindictive attacks against business owners? You don't think that their false public declaration of illegal against business owners was based on any proven facts or even our laws, do you? How about Willy's claim that my family was doing something to create his head turning, you don't think it was based on any facts, do you? How about your claim that I had taken any kind of tax deduction for donations made at the Majestic, is it anything more than a false accusation. I may not have witnessed the beating, but I did see video, had conversations with close friends of the victim, and multiple conversations with the SA's office. I an confident that I do know enough about the tourist beating to consider it much more than hearsay, innuendo, or just accusations; it is part of the reality of downtown Streator ..... Kyle, In my opinion, your reply only reinforces my prior post. You still only present hearsay, innuendo, and accusations. Now you, in my opinion also could be misinterpreting what others stated, and offer your OPINION of what YOU consider injustice, and falsehoods. In your posting I "claimed" you "had taken any kind of tax deduction for donations made at the Majestic", I did not do that. I believe I posted something donated to the Salvation Army is deductible. I certainly did not not say you did. As a business person,I would have given away the Coke if the donor of the turkey to the SA, showed proof of doing so. But that's just me. Now you, in my opinion , insinuate, that the States Attorney is in agreement with you. I that correct? Has the States Attorney given you any idea on when the "Clean Up" in Streator will begin? Again, just my opinion, but I believe your trying to "pin the tail" on others for a failed business venture. Hey, did you hear anything about a Multiplex Theater being planned in Peru? g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 4, 2015 3:53:09 GMT -6
Gee greek, do you think that hearsay, innuendo, and accusations stop our City leaders from making their vindictive attacks against business owners? You don't think that their false public declaration of illegal against business owners was based on any proven facts or even our laws, do you? How about Willy's claim that my family was doing something to create his head turning, you don't think it was based on any facts, do you? How about your claim that I had taken any kind of tax deduction for donations made at the Majestic, is it anything more than a false accusation. I may not have witnessed the beating, but I did see video, had conversations with close friends of the victim, and multiple conversations with the SA's office. I an confident that I do know enough about the tourist beating to consider it much more than hearsay, innuendo, or just accusations; it is part of the reality of downtown Streator ..... Kyle, In my opinion, your reply only reinforces my prior post. You still only present hearsay, innuendo, and accusations. Now you, in my opinion also could be misinterpreting what others stated, and offer your OPINION of what YOU consider injustice, and falsehoods. In your posting I "claimed" you "had taken any kind of tax deduction for donations made at the Majestic", I did not do that. I believe I posted something donated to the Salvation Army is deductible. I certainly did not not say you did. As a business person,I would have given away the Coke if the donor of the turkey to the SA, showed proof of doing so. But that's just me. Now you, in my opinion , insinuate, that the States Attorney is in agreement with you. I that correct? Has the States Attorney given you any idea on when the "Clean Up" in Streator will begin? Again, just my opinion, but I believe your trying to "pin the tail" on others for a failed business venture. Hey, did you hear anything about a Multiplex Theater being planned in Peru? g You can think what you want about what I say, but there is a lot more to back up my claims of the excessive bar violence allowed by our City than the City's "illegal" attack against my family, or the Mayor's industrial zoning requirement for Aquaponics, or his claim that he gets to decide what subjects can be discussed in City Park. Unlike my claims, don't those of our City leaders go against our laws? Shouldn't we be able to expect the City of Streator to follow the laws? Maybe they should start, don't you think?
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Post by greekgod on Mar 4, 2015 14:59:52 GMT -6
Kyle, In my opinion, your reply only reinforces my prior post. You still only present hearsay, innuendo, and accusations. Now you, in my opinion also could be misinterpreting what others stated, and offer your OPINION of what YOU consider injustice, and falsehoods. In your posting I "claimed" you "had taken any kind of tax deduction for donations made at the Majestic", I did not do that. I believe I posted something donated to the Salvation Army is deductible. I certainly did not not say you did. As a business person,I would have given away the Coke if the donor of the turkey to the SA, showed proof of doing so. But that's just me. Now you, in my opinion , insinuate, that the States Attorney is in agreement with you. I that correct? Has the States Attorney given you any idea on when the "Clean Up" in Streator will begin? Again, just my opinion, but I believe your trying to "pin the tail" on others for a failed business venture. Hey, did you hear anything about a Multiplex Theater being planned in Peru? g You can think what you want.... here is a lot more to back up my claims........... or his claim... Unlike my claims,.... Kyle, So let's review. You now have hearsay, accusations, innuendo, and claims against our City Officials, and Police Force, and other businesses operating near your son's business, the now closed Majestic Theater, and the non-existent business that existed only in your dreams, to blame for the "failure(s)" you experienced in our Fair City of Streator. Is that correct? That's the only opinion I conclude after reading your rant. You also insinuate the State's Attorney is in agreement with your "evidence". Is that correct, or did I miss something? Please learn that hearsay, accusations, innuendos, and claims do not constitute PROOF. Until you present proof, through the use of the judicial system which is available to you, in my opinion I will simply call your rant unfounded. But, that's just my opinion. You sir, are welcome to yours. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 6, 2015 12:12:55 GMT -6
Kyle, So let's review. You now have hearsay, accusations, innuendo, and claims against our City Officials, and Police Force, and other businesses operating near your son's business, the now closed Majestic Theater, and the non-existent business that existed only in your dreams, to blame for the "failure(s)" you experienced in our Fair City of Streator. Is that correct? No, that's not correct. Much of what I talk about is more than just hearsay, innuendo or accusations. The Mayor's industrial zoning requirement is backed up by a letter with his signature on it, and therefore not hearsay, innuendo or an accusation, but what he required. My claim of a tourist being beaten is backed up by photos of the victim, video, and a conviction from the SA's office. That makes it more than just hearsay, innuendo, or an accusation, don't you think? Many of my claims are backed up by videos, letters or newspaper articles, such as their false, public declaration against my family of illegal. Making such a declaration without giving people their Constitutional Right of Due Process certainly won't have me agreeing that they are a "Fair City". You also insinuate the State's Attorney is in agreement with your "evidence". Is that correct, or did I miss something? I think you are missing something, something important too. Please show where I insinuated such a thing and I will be happy to explain or correct myself. Please learn that hearsay, accusations, innuendos, and claims do not constitute PROOF. Until you present proof, through the use of the judicial system which is available to you, in my opinion I will simply call your rant unfounded. Please learn that I don't have to provide any proof to use my Constitutional Rights to talk about what has happened and what our leaders do. Many people have made great sacrifices providing citizens those rights. You go ahead and consider my rant to be unfounded if you want, but it is not illegal, like the City's unfounded rant against my family. There may not be any judicial system proof of an arsonist, but that doesn't make it hearsay, innuendo or any accusation that buildings have been burnt down. There may not be any judicial system proof that children were murdered here either, but that doesn't make people's children any less gone.
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Post by dog on Mar 6, 2015 12:37:43 GMT -6
The Mayor's industrial zoning requirement is backed up by a letter with his signature on it, and therefore not hearsay, innuendo or an accusation, but what he required. And to this day, you havent posted a copy of the letter for the rest of us to see. If it is so cut and dried, I fail to see why you havent posted a copy to back up your claim. Wouldnt it further prove your point to post it?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 7, 2015 10:41:00 GMT -6
The Mayor's industrial zoning requirement is backed up by a letter with his signature on it, and therefore not hearsay, innuendo or an accusation, but what he required. And to this day, you havent posted a copy of the letter for the rest of us to see. If it is so cut and dried, I fail to see why you havent posted a copy to back up your claim. Wouldnt it further prove your point to post it? No, I don't think it would do anything further to prove my point. I'm confident that even if I were to post it, that you, greek and others would still continue to attack me for talking about it being wrong. Do you really think I need to back up my claim? If he didn't require industrial zoning, don't you think that Mayor Lansford, Willy, or one of our other leaders would have called me out by now for saying that he did? Do you think Mayor Lansford would just sit there quietly at the Council Meeting Public Forum despite his ordinance to stop me if I say anything that is not true, and let me say that his industrial zoning requirement goes against our laws and is corrupt? Mayor Lansford stopped a business with a requirement that goes against our laws. If that statement is false, maybe he should correct me or file a legal claim against me, but I really don't have to "prove" anything to you or greek, do I?
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Post by mommytoo4 on Mar 7, 2015 11:04:46 GMT -6
And to this day, you havent posted a copy of the letter for the rest of us to see. If it is so cut and dried, I fail to see why you havent posted a copy to back up your claim. Wouldnt it further prove your point to post it? No, I don't think it would do anything further to prove my point. I'm confident that even if I were to post it, that you, greek and others would still continue to attack me for talking about it being wrong. Do you really think I need to back up my claim? If he didn't require industrial zoning, don't you think that Mayor Lansford, Willy, or one of our other leaders would have called me out by now for saying that he did? Do you think Mayor Lansford would just sit there quietly at the Council Meeting Public Forum despite his ordinance to stop me if I say anything that is not true, and let me say that his industrial zoning requirement goes against our laws and is corrupt?
Mayor Lansford stopped a business with a requirement that goes against our laws. If that statement is false, maybe he should correct me or file a legal claim against me, but I really don't have to "prove" anything to you or greek, do I? Glad you said it as I am sure no one has heard that before!
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Post by dog on Mar 7, 2015 12:12:35 GMT -6
And to this day, you havent posted a copy of the letter for the rest of us to see. If it is so cut and dried, I fail to see why you havent posted a copy to back up your claim. Wouldnt it further prove your point to post it? No, I don't think it would do anything further to prove my point. I'm confident that even if I were to post it, that you, greek and others would still continue to attack me for talking about it being wrong. Do you really think I need to back up my claim? If he didn't require industrial zoning, don't you think that Mayor Lansford, Willy, or one of our other leaders would have called me out by now for saying that he did? Do you think Mayor Lansford would just sit there quietly at the Council Meeting Public Forum despite his ordinance to stop me if I say anything that is not true, and let me say that his industrial zoning requirement goes against our laws and is corrupt? Mayor Lansford stopped a business with a requirement that goes against our laws. If that statement is false, maybe he should correct me or file a legal claim against me, but I really don't have to "prove" anything to you or greek, do I? But you saw no problem in repeatedly posting a pic of the back of the Mushro building or videos of fights.You seemed to think that posting those items would help your cause, why not this letter? If your statement is true, then maybe you should show proof and correct HIM publically or file a legal claim against HIM. It is not so much proving anything to me or Greek, it is about proving things to a much bigger constituent isn't it? How about a copy of the letter in a voice of the people, or maybe an article by Derek to solidify your claim? Here's your chance Kyle, I am NOT telling you to be quiet, I am ENCOURAGING you to get the word out to more people. I find it highly entertaining that someone like Greek or myself, can get you to NOT further your attacks against the mayor by suggesting that you actually post something in his own writing that would prove your point. Hilarious!
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Post by greekgod on Mar 7, 2015 19:26:48 GMT -6
No, I don't think it would do anything further to prove my point. I'm confident that even if I were to post it, that you, greek and others would still continue to attack me for talking about it being wrong. Do you really think I need to back up my claim? Kyle, Wow, now "you're confident" proof would not eliminate those who "attack" you. I believe those who you believe are "attacking" you are simply questioning your, 1. innuendos, 2. accusations, 3. opinion, 4. hearsay, 5. claims, and 6. suggestions that the State's Attorney "agrees with you". Sorry Kyle, in my opinion, you are your on worst enemy. It really doesn't appear you care to present evidence, and again, only my opinion, just want to continue to bash our city officials. But of course that is you Constitutional right. Do you really believe this "Rant" has endeared you to Streator and it's residents? g
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