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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 5, 2013 7:23:00 GMT -6
I have no idea. I know I'll post on here and not go back to follow up on threads for days. Can you provide the date, time and other information regarding the fight mentioned in the initial post of this thread? (If you already supplied it, then my apologies for not seeing it.) Ahem... I call BS.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 5, 2013 8:20:17 GMT -6
Myself, everthing you said doesn't happen in any other town does. Do you really believe that it doesn't? Especially in a town the size of flagstaff! Its unfortunate that it happens, but it does and no town is immune. Does that all make sense to you? The problem is you think you are the solution when you're part of the overall problem, unfortunately. I'm sure you're a good guy. You're just misguided. I've acknowledged that these things do happen other places, but I am confident that they don't happen nearly as often as they do here. When they do happen other places, the police take action and there are consequences for the offenders. Other communities let people know that these things are unacceptable, but we don't. Does that make sense to you? I've answered many of your questions, how about answering some of mine? Do you think people like taking their kids to see a show and coming out to see someone exposing themselves or fighting? Couldn't that be a reason that many people do not support the theatre? Do you think these things are good for our struggling business community? I know that these things happen too often here. I see them first hand. After not talking to Katie from the Majestic for years, when I mentioned the City, she offered up that her biggest problem with them is all the fights that go on. Ask Lauren at Ace, Willy the barber, and the owner's of Scoops, I know that they see how bad the problems are. If these things happen everywhere, then my talking about them shouldn't be a problem at all. You are entitled to your opinion that I am a misguided problem, and I am entitled to keep talking about what I see and think are problems.
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Post by dog on Nov 5, 2013 9:00:16 GMT -6
Do you think people like taking their kids to see a show and coming out to see someone exposing themselves or fighting? You know, I have been going to the Majestic since I was a teen and been patronizing Ace for 35 years. I have yet to see a fight or someone exposing themselves in the hundreds of times I have been at either place. You have provided proof that these kinds of incidents do happen, but I think that unless you are attending a midnight showing of a movie, the chances of actually seeing any of these things or being involved in any of these things is slim to none. I have zero apprehension of patronizing any business in Streator or walking down any street during daylight or evening hours. After the 10 o'clock hour I would feel a little differently and if those businesses were open, then I probably wouldn't patronize them that late at night. The Walgreens store in town would be a good example. With the fights that were occurring in their parking lots, if they were a 24 hr store, I would bet their after 10pm business would suffer because people wouldn't want to deal with the crap. Someone said you were the problem. I don't see you as the problem, but I see your solutions to the problem causing more harm than good. Your constant theatrical rants probably do more to scare people away from this town, than would ever be scared away by actually witnessing any of these events. Unless the downtown area was full of late night or 24 hr stores, no one is downtown to witness any of these events, and will not be driving any customers away, since most of the people are home by 10pm. Other than a midnight showing of a movie, do you have any evidence that any of these problems have occurred when Ace, the candy shop,barber shop,scoops and more, or even your store hase been opened for business? I have not heard one person say they wouldn't patronize your store because they were scared to come there.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 5, 2013 9:50:47 GMT -6
Do you think people like taking their kids to see a show and coming out to see someone exposing themselves or fighting? You know, I have been going to the Majestic since I was a teen and been patronizing Ace for 35 years. I have yet to see a fight or someone exposing themselves in the hundreds of times I have been at either place. You have provided proof that these kinds of incidents do happen, but I think that unless you are attending a midnight showing of a movie, the chances of actually seeing any of these things or being involved in any of these things is slim to none. I have zero apprehension of patronizing any business in Streator or walking down any street during daylight or evening hours. After the 10 o'clock hour I would feel a little differently and if those businesses were open, then I probably wouldn't patronize them that late at night. The Walgreens store in town would be a good example. With the fights that were occurring in their parking lots, if they were a 24 hr store, I would bet their after 10pm business would suffer because people wouldn't want to deal with the crap. Someone said you were the problem. I don't see you as the problem, but I see your solutions to the problem causing more harm than good. Your constant theatrical rants probably do more to scare people away from this town, than would ever be scared away by actually witnessing any of these events. Unless the downtown area was full of late night or 24 hr stores, no one is downtown to witness any of these events, and will not be driving any customers away, since most of the people are home by 10pm. Other than a midnight showing of a movie, do you have any evidence that any of these problems have occurred when Ace, the candy shop,barber shop,scoops and more, or even your store hase been opened for business? I have not heard one person say they wouldn't patronize your store because they were scared to come there. I am glad to hear you admit that these things are problems. You indicate that you wouldn't patronize downtown businesses after 10:00pm. Every weekend the Majestic tries to have shows after 9:00, that would require patronage after 10:00pm. Doesn't that convince you that it does hurt their business? Why shouldn't the Majestic be able to have a Midnight Show without having people stay away because the bars won't follow the laws? It does happen early enough to hurt other shows and businesses too. I have video of a fight involving bar people during daylight hours, when the Majestic and other businesses are open, and with customers around. Katie saying that the fights are her biggest problem with the City, tells me that they happen more than just late at night after she is closed. The recent mugging happened early enough that a longer 9:30 show could have been exiting and was within sight of the front of the theatre. I remember several times that customers have seen these problems. It was 5:21 pm when the drunk called SPD to come get him before he killed everyone. It really doesn't matter what time it is though. Every time one of these things occur it substantiates and perpetuates the reputation that Streator has and keeps many people away no matter what time of day. I have gone to other communities to try putting up flyers to get people here for concerts and other special shows. Many people just do not want to come here at all because of these kind of problems. Trying for years and years to keep these incidents a secret and allowing them to just continue hasn't been helping at all, in my opinion. I wouldn't feel that I need to be ranting about these problems publicly, if I felt that Icould go to our City and get some results. They usually don't even acknowledge the problems much less start talking about any solutions and have taken a vindictive attitude towards me for talking about these issues. This has me convinced that we just need new leaders before our community will change.
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 5, 2013 10:20:03 GMT -6
I have gone to other communities to try putting up flyers to get people here for concerts and other special shows. Many people just do not want to come here at all because of these kind of problems. I believe that a lot of people from out of town come to the performances at Engle Lane Theater. Streator's reputation hasn't kept their audience away.
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Post by available on Nov 5, 2013 11:02:15 GMT -6
i have lived all over the country in big cities and small towns. know the difference between streator and every other city in the united states is? GOSSIP ONLINE. if people are not reading it here then they are reading it on city data web site or anything else that mentions streator. our residents do not know how to work together to make it better and would rather go online to make fools of our town. little chicago. please. when kids can not play outside without being shot at then we can start calling it that. when we have metal detecters in schools then we can start calling it that. peoria jr lol! we need to call this what it is. STREATOR. drunk idiots walking around starting trouble people not working people littering and letting their house go to pot. just like any other town in america. the difference is our cry babys post is online for the world to laugh at. Almost every Town in the USA has a "Gossip Online" somewhere. You are NAIVE to think They don't. of course they do. streator takes the cake.
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Post by available on Nov 5, 2013 11:15:23 GMT -6
I've lived other places too. Places where people weren't served when they were already drunk, keeping there form being so many problems. Places where laws were enforced. Places where a citizen or business owner could go voice a problem to the City, be listened to and have action taken to correct the problems. Those places also had more business, occupied buildings, property with value, jobs, tax revenue, etc. In places like that I don't think people feel the need to keep talking about the problems online to try to convince others to vote for new leaders. It is what happens here, if people aren't proud having others know about it, maybe it should be changed. If it goes on everywhere, then it should be no big deal to talk about it. I think it is wrong and hurts our community. If you really like the fighting and want it to continue, you are certainly free to talk about that. did you just suggest that i like flighting and crime? this may be why it seems the world is against you. do not twist my words to fit your argument. wake up. this is not a streator problem. this is an america problem. EVERY town has this problem. bar fights, people getting drunk and peeing in alleys, someone getting so drunk that he fell asleep in a gutter and got mugged, it all happens everywhere. i have never seen anyone obsessively take pictures or video tape the problems in there community. what really hurts our community is one person finding every bit of wrong and posting video of it on a public forum. did you ever try to video tape the good and share it? maybe the problem is not the town. maybe the problem is how you are choosing to see it. call the cops, close the blinds, go back to bed. wake up and find a reason to love this town. no one takes the crotchety old man who finds fault in everything and spends his life complaining serious. i saw you not long ago. the happy man that once was is not there. you look sad or angry. maybe that is the problem.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 5, 2013 11:42:19 GMT -6
I've lived other places too. Places where people weren't served when they were already drunk, keeping there form being so many problems. Places where laws were enforced. Places where a citizen or business owner could go voice a problem to the City, be listened to and have action taken to correct the problems. Those places also had more business, occupied buildings, property with value, jobs, tax revenue, etc. In places like that I don't think people feel the need to keep talking about the problems online to try to convince others to vote for new leaders. It is what happens here, if people aren't proud having others know about it, maybe it should be changed. If it goes on everywhere, then it should be no big deal to talk about it. I think it is wrong and hurts our community. If you really like the fighting and want it to continue, you are certainly free to talk about that. did you just suggest that i like flighting and crime? this may be why it seems the world is against you. do not twist my words to fit your argument. wake up. this is not a streator problem. this is an america problem. EVERY town has this problem. bar fights, people getting drunk and peeing in alleys, someone getting so drunk that he fell asleep in a gutter and got mugged, it all happens everywhere. i have never seen anyone obsessively take pictures or video tape the problems in there community. what really hurts our community is one person finding every bit of wrong and posting video of it on a public forum. did you ever try to video tape the good and share it? maybe the problem is not the town. maybe the problem is how you are choosing to see it. call the cops, close the blinds, go back to bed. wake up and find a reason to love this town. no one takes the crotchety old man who finds fault in everything and spends his life complaining serious. i saw you not long ago. the happy man that once was is not there. you look sad or angry. maybe that is the problem. I said "If" you like the fights it is your right to talk about that, which is a reality. You can take it however you want. What do you think gives you the right to tell me what to do or not to do? I can talk about and post whatever I want to. It is not just one person that sees these activities as problems. If it goes on everywhere to the extent that it does here, then my talking about it shouldn't be a problem at all. If you don't like the fighting then it shouldn't bother you that I am trying to have it not happen as often. These are illegal activities that we are talking about. It is hard for me to believe that so many people argue with me over my asking that our laws be followed to try to create a better business environment here. Either these things are something that we are proud of and don't mind others knowing about it, or they are something that we should try to control. That is the way that I see it. I will keep talking about these problems until things are done differently, it is my right. If you don't like it you certainly don't have to read it.
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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 5, 2013 12:36:50 GMT -6
Almost every Town in the USA has a "Gossip Online" somewhere. You are NAIVE to think They don't. of course they do. streator takes the cake. It's nice to see that You're a "Cry Baby" along with the rest of Us.
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Post by Family Man on Nov 5, 2013 12:49:11 GMT -6
I've lived other places too. Places where people weren't served when they were already drunk, keeping there form being so many problems. Places where laws were enforced. Places where a citizen or business owner could go voice a problem to the City, be listened to and have action taken to correct the problems. Those places also had more business, occupied buildings, property with value, jobs, tax revenue, etc. In places like that I don't think people feel the need to keep talking about the problems online to try to convince others to vote for new leaders. It is what happens here, if people aren't proud having others know about it, maybe it should be changed. If it goes on everywhere, then it should be no big deal to talk about it. I think it is wrong and hurts our community. If you really like the fighting and want it to continue, you are certainly free to talk about that. did you just suggest that i like flighting and crime? this may be why it seems the world is against you. do not twist my words to fit your argument. wake up. this is not a streator problem. this is an america problem. EVERY town has this problem. bar fights, people getting drunk and peeing in alleys, someone getting so drunk that he fell asleep in a gutter and got mugged, it all happens everywhere. i have never seen anyone obsessively take pictures or video tape the problems in there community. what really hurts our community is one person finding every bit of wrong and posting video of it on a public forum. did you ever try to video tape the good and share it? maybe the problem is not the town. maybe the problem is how you are choosing to see it. call the cops, close the blinds, go back to bed. wake up and find a reason to love this town. no one takes the crotchety old man who finds fault in everything and spends his life complaining serious. i saw you not long ago. the happy man that once was is not there. you look sad or angry. maybe that is the problem. Do you think Kyle twisted your words to make it seem like you support crime? He's done that to a few of us here, you know. I'd keep quiet about it though. (I'm being sarcastic, by the way...) This is KyleOnline. (I'm not being sarcastic anymore!) The only forum that allows someone to constantly rant about the same thing over and over and over again. And there really is only a handful of people who actually post here. Just be careful before the Kyle Fan Club fills your PM box with hateful messages and they'll even go as far as telling the forum what you are posting on your Facebook! Kyle is a little weasel, vindictive, hard headed and one of the biggest butts you will ever have the misfortune of talking to. This is just my opinion, of course.
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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 5, 2013 13:00:37 GMT -6
did you just suggest that i like flighting and crime? this may be why it seems the world is against you. do not twist my words to fit your argument. wake up. this is not a streator problem. this is an america problem. EVERY town has this problem. bar fights, people getting drunk and peeing in alleys, someone getting so drunk that he fell asleep in a gutter and got mugged, it all happens everywhere. i have never seen anyone obsessively take pictures or video tape the problems in there community. what really hurts our community is one person finding every bit of wrong and posting video of it on a public forum. did you ever try to video tape the good and share it? maybe the problem is not the town. maybe the problem is how you are choosing to see it. call the cops, close the blinds, go back to bed. wake up and find a reason to love this town. no one takes the crotchety old man who finds fault in everything and spends his life complaining serious. i saw you not long ago. the happy man that once was is not there. you look sad or angry. maybe that is the problem. Do you think Kyle twisted your words to make it seem like you support crime? He's done that to a few of us here, you know. I'd keep quiet about it though. (I'm being sarcastic, by the way...) This is KyleOnline. (I'm not being sarcastic anymore!) The only forum that allows someone to constantly rant about the same thing over and over and over again. And there really is only a handful of people who actually post here. Just be careful before the Kyle Fan Club fills your PM box with hateful messages and they'll even go as far as telling the forum what you are posting on your Facebook! Kyle is a little weasel, vindictive, hard headed and one of the biggest butts you will ever have the misfortune of talking to. This is just my opinion, of course. Sounds like YOU are describing YOURSELF. "a little weasel, vindictive, hard headed and one of the biggest butts you will ever have the misfortune of talking to." I LOVE how You come on THIS Forum and talk SMACK. Yet YOUR FORUM is PRETENDED to be a nicey nice FORUM. This is just my opinion, of course.
I would like to see some of THESE "hateful messages" You say has You PM Box filled.
FYI if You kept YOUR Facebook Page closed You'd have nothing to worry about ANYTHING being said on HERE.
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Post by Family Man on Nov 5, 2013 13:06:22 GMT -6
Kyle started this crap with me a long time ago and has never had the balls to finish it. We all know you are the president of the Kyle Fan Club, Troll, but c'mon! I thought you were smart enough to make some witty comebacks instead of using my words. You really are disappointing me. The messages are gone since I deleted that account and started a new one. Tell me you are smarter than this.... My Facebook is closed NOW. I shouldn't have to, but since people here like to attack outside of this forum, I made it private. I never claimed my forum was "nicey nice". It's not even my forum anymore. You really should research stuff before you open your mouth, Troll. By the way, if you would like to take this to "my" forum, feel free!
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 5, 2013 13:07:39 GMT -6
I did find it interesting to hear about your PMs and the whole Facebook thing.
I don't understand why some people get so upset.
To come on here and attack and argue with me for saying that I want our laws followed, and then get upset if I suggest that it is supporting crime, just makes no sense to me.
So what if I post the same thing over and over again, you can just not read it over and over again.
It is a shame though that you can't come up with a good argument that you can stand behind, so you just resort to name calling.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 5, 2013 13:12:11 GMT -6
Kyle started this crap with me a long time ago and has never had the balls to finish it. Yes, I know, it is a shame that I deleted my account. (Sarcasm, in case you could tell!)
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Post by Family Man on Nov 5, 2013 13:12:21 GMT -6
I did find it interesting to hear about your PMs and the whole Facebook thing. I don't understand why some people get so upset. To come on here and attack and argue with me for saying that I want our laws followed, and then get upset if I suggest that it is supporting crime, just makes no sense to me. So what if I post the same thing over and over again, you can just not read it over and over again. It is a shame though that you can't come up with a good argument that you can stand behind, so you just resort to name calling. OH! I see!!! You can accuse me of supporting crime, but I can't come back at you, huh? Just calling it as I see it, Kyle. How's this for you... You have contradicted yourself enough on here that I have nothing else to add, except that you are an a s s hole. You don't understand why people get so upset? These are YOUR supporters who sent the messages and brought MY Facebook posts here to the forum. But, I'm sure YOU didn't have anything to do with that...Did Ya?
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