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Post by Anonymous on Nov 4, 2013 14:44:01 GMT -6
I was told by two different people that there was another big fight downtown last night. These incidents consistently occurring are what make many people not want to live or do business in Streator. When will our city council members take action to keep these things from happening so often? When will people just start behaving themselves and quit acting like idiots?
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 4, 2013 14:47:08 GMT -6
I did not hear about it and would like to look into it. I didn't think there was an Ottawa Online forum. Maybe someone should start one.
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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 4, 2013 14:51:13 GMT -6
I did not hear about it and would like to look into it. I didn't think there was an Ottawa Online forum. Maybe someone should start one. They DO have one. It's where it's happen. scottlee7804.proboards.com/index.cgi?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 4, 2013 15:08:43 GMT -6
I did not hear about it and would like to look into it. I didn't think there was an Ottawa Online forum. Maybe someone should start one. I would think that if there were a fight outside the theatre that I would hear about it from a customer, employee, or other business people in the area. The American Legion has been excellent neighbors across the street and I have never seen any signs of problems from there. There is the new Burger and Sushi House just down the alley from that lot that serves alcohol (mostly wine and upscale beers). It is a very popular place, but their clientele seem to be a more affluent crowd. I would be surprised to see the type of people that I frequently see in there cussing, urinating and fighting out there. I bet that the BASH owners would support my wanting to make sure that OPD would promptly take action on any problems like that. I wonder why midstorm wouldn't provide the date, time, or other information. Maybe CP is right?
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 4, 2013 15:43:21 GMT -6
I wonder why midstorm wouldn't provide the date, time, or other information. Maybe CP is right? I have no idea. I know I'll post on here and not go back to follow up on threads for days. Can you provide the date, time and other information regarding the fight mentioned in the initial post of this thread? (If you already supplied it, then my apologies for not seeing it.)
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Post by available on Nov 4, 2013 17:22:25 GMT -6
i have lived all over the country in big cities and small towns. know the difference between streator and every other city in the united states is? GOSSIP ONLINE. if people are not reading it here then they are reading it on city data web site or anything else that mentions streator. our residents do not know how to work together to make it better and would rather go online to make fools of our town. little chicago. please. when kids can not play outside without being shot at then we can start calling it that. when we have metal detecters in schools then we can start calling it that. peoria jr lol! we need to call this what it is. STREATOR. drunk idiots walking around starting trouble people not working people littering and letting their house go to pot. just like any other town in america. the difference is our cry babys post is online for the world to laugh at.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 4, 2013 18:20:21 GMT -6
I've lived other places too.
Places where people weren't served when they were already drunk, keeping there form being so many problems.
Places where laws were enforced.
Places where a citizen or business owner could go voice a problem to the City, be listened to and have action taken to correct the problems.
Those places also had more business, occupied buildings, property with value, jobs, tax revenue, etc.
In places like that I don't think people feel the need to keep talking about the problems online to try to convince others to vote for new leaders.
It is what happens here, if people aren't proud having others know about it, maybe it should be changed.
If it goes on everywhere, then it should be no big deal to talk about it.
I think it is wrong and hurts our community.
If you really like the fighting and want it to continue, you are certainly free to talk about that.
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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 4, 2013 19:07:41 GMT -6
i have lived all over the country in big cities and small towns. know the difference between streator and every other city in the united states is? GOSSIP ONLINE. if people are not reading it here then they are reading it on city data web site or anything else that mentions streator. our residents do not know how to work together to make it better and would rather go online to make fools of our town. little chicago. please. when kids can not play outside without being shot at then we can start calling it that. when we have metal detecters in schools then we can start calling it that. peoria jr lol! we need to call this what it is. STREATOR. drunk idiots walking around starting trouble people not working people littering and letting their house go to pot. just like any other town in america. the difference is our cry babys post is online for the world to laugh at. Almost every Town in the USA has a "Gossip Online" somewhere. You are NAIVE to think They don't.
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Post by oldtimer on Nov 4, 2013 19:50:58 GMT -6
I've lived other places too. Places where people weren't served when they were already drunk, keeping there form being so many problems. Places where laws were enforced. Places where a citizen or business owner could go voice a problem to the City, be listened to and have action taken to correct the problems. Those places also had more business, occupied buildings, property with value, jobs, tax revenue, etc. In places like that I don't think people feel the need to keep talking about the problems online to try to convince others to vote for new leaders. . Share the names of these towns. Its easy to talk in general terms. I mean, to come on here and say you know a town where people have never been over served? Do you know how stupid that is? You know that's impossible, right? You say there are.places where laws are enforced? Again, a stupid remark. That means that every law would have to have been enforced in that town. It will be nice to see what town you provide for that comment. Another impossible statement. I wonder if you believe what you type?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 4, 2013 22:33:25 GMT -6
I've lived other places too. Places where people weren't served when they were already drunk, keeping there form being so many problems. Places where laws were enforced. Places where a citizen or business owner could go voice a problem to the City, be listened to and have action taken to correct the problems. Those places also had more business, occupied buildings, property with value, jobs, tax revenue, etc. In places like that I don't think people feel the need to keep talking about the problems online to try to convince others to vote for new leaders. . Share the names of these towns. Its easy to talk in general terms. Back up your claims with the names of the towns. Share the names of these towns. Its easy to talk in general terms. Back up your claims with the names of the towns. I mean, to come on here and say you know a town where people have never been over served? Do you know how stupid that is? You know that's impossible, right? You say there are.places where laws are enforced? Again, a stupid remark. That means that every law would have to have been enforced in that town. It will be nice to see what town you provide for that comment. Another impossible statement. I wonder if you believe what you type? It is easy to talk in general terms and that is what I was doing. It is also easy to insult people, call them names, make unfounded claims, not answer their questions, disappear from threads, and then go back later to delete posts, isn't it? I stand behind what I say though. Of course I can't say that there is any community where no one has ever been over-served and every law is enforced. I was saying that, in general terms, people were not over-served, there were much less problems, and laws were enforced in every other community I have lived in. This is the only place I have ever been to see people fight in front of the police and then there not be any consequences. I can't imagine police in the other communities I've lived in drawing a weapon on someone and then just letting them walk away. I also can't imagine police in any of those communities refusing to take action when a business owner was begging for something to be done about a drunk exposing himself in the middle of the street. Every time I've called the police for an incident in any other community and wanted to speak to an officer, I was able to, and for much less serious issues than someone being mugged. I've never read in the paper in those places that someone was so drunk that they called the police threatening to kill everyone. In Flagstaff, the downtown area is close to the university. There are several bars, but they stop serving people all the time. The police walk the downtown area on the weekends and keep things under control. When there was a problem a car would pull up, load them up, and haul them away. I serviced theatres there for decades before moving there and would stay at the Orpheum downtown amongst the bars. There was a window on each side of the projection booth. I would see a lot of people out having a good time, but didn't see them pulling their pants down to urinate, fighting, passing out, etc. Flagstaff's economy is driven by tourism. I am sure that the downtown merchants and hotel owners would be screaming if there were nearly as many incidents as there are here. Payson is more comparable to Streator in size. It was about 13,000 when I was there, but is over 15,000 now. It is known for having the world's oldest continuous rodeo; there are a lot of cowboys there. I lived very close to a Famous Sam's. I don't remember hearing about any fights there, and didn't see the negative incidents that I do here. People are routinely over-served here and there are rarely any consequences for the stupid things that they do in our streets. Do you think people want to take their kids to a show of Free Birds and take the chance of seeing a mugging, someone exposing themselves, or a fight? Maybe that is why our local theatre isn't supported? Have you owned a business here and tried going to surrounding communities to try to get people to come here? I have. Many people don't want to come here to spend their money because of these problems. Maybe that is why we don't have more occupied buildings. It does really hurt business.
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Post by mommytoo4 on Nov 4, 2013 23:23:22 GMT -6
Myself, can you explain what your defination of over-served is? Is there a certain BAC the bartenders are supposed to magically know or is it the patrons actions that they are supposed to go by. I ask these questions because as a person who bartended many moons ago, I can say you can't always tell when a person is overly intoxicated, they seem perfectly fine then bam total craziness.
I am pretty sure I can speak for most bartenders out there when I say bartenders do not in any shape or form enjoy obnoxious ignorant drunks and really do not want the grief or stress that they cause in the course of their shift!
I am in no way condoning the "ignorant drunks" actions I am just curious on how you yourself would go about making sure that they weren't over-served?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 5:33:04 GMT -6
oh hell this is my life to read, gossip and make sure u get all the news on here. well maybe some of the news and i like to answer all post u see i have no life outside of here
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 5, 2013 6:20:09 GMT -6
Myself, can you explain what your defination of over-served is? Is there a certain BAC the bartenders are supposed to magically know or is it the patrons actions that they are supposed to go by. I ask these questions because as a person who bartended many moons ago, I can say you can't always tell when a person is overly intoxicated, they seem perfectly fine then bam total craziness. I am pretty sure I can speak for most bartenders out there when I say bartenders do not in any shape or form enjoy obnoxious ignorant drunks and really do not want the grief or stress that they cause in the course of their shift! I am in no way condoning the "ignorant drunks" actions I am just curious on how you yourself would go about making sure that they weren't over-served? After a person exposed himself in the middle of the street I went into the bar and asked the owner how anyone could get so drunk. The bar owner indicated that he did know that the person was drunk, but served him more instead of calling police when he threatened violence. The bar owner was red faced, slurring, and kept repeating himself. When the person was mugged a few weeks ago, I went out on the street to talk to the police. A bar employee was flamboyantly swinging a bar towel in the air, yelling that everything was alright. I commented that the mugging victim yelling in the alley didn't seem to think everything was all right. He started trying to tell me to hold on, but I don't like talking to drunk people so I went inside. If the bar owners and employees didn't drink with the customers, maybe they would be in a better condition to determine if people were already drunk or not and whether or not everything is all right. When a person vomited in front of bar employees, he was gave another beer. Vomiting is a clear sign that a person has had too much alcohol. I have seen people that were obviously drunk, but they still got served. Because we do have such a problem here, I think we should require bar employees to be trained on the matter. BASSET - Beverage Alcohol Seller and Server's Education and Training is a state run program that could help make sure that they know how to recognize when they should stop serving people.
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Post by oldtimer on Nov 5, 2013 6:34:17 GMT -6
Myself, everthing you said doesn't happen in any other town does. Do you really believe that it doesn't? Especially in a town the size of flagstaff!
Its unfortunate that it happens, but it does and no town is immune.
Does that all make sense to you?
The problem is you think you are the solution when you're part of the overall problem, unfortunately.
I'm sure you're a good guy. You're just misguided.
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 5, 2013 7:07:32 GMT -6
I wonder why midstorm wouldn't provide the date, time, or other information. Maybe CP is right? I have no idea. I know I'll post on here and not go back to follow up on threads for days. Can you provide the date, time and other information regarding the fight mentioned in the initial post of this thread? (If you already supplied it, then my apologies for not seeing it.) Ahem...
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