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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 6, 2013 15:34:55 GMT -6
An empty building with mold and no use, not providing tax revenue and they take more property off the tax rolls. Meanwhile they spend money on a fountain, but can't provide enough Police resources to even take an eyewitness statement when someone gets mugged. It just doesn't make sense to me. There was no mention of $20,000 at the council meeting, you mentioning that number here was the first I heard of it. Using prevailing wage, I don't think you get too much asbestos removed for $20,000. How many buildings are on that site? Councilman Phelan didn't give his opinion as to how much it would cost or what he would have based it on. He only voiced concern that the $50,000 might not be enough. I find it strange that no one spoke up then to let the public know otherwise. It doesn't seem like he would have voiced concern if he were already told that $20,000 would cover it, but I don't know what he was told. So will they just let the property sit and deteriorate like their other properties, while they force other building owners to jump through their hoops to keep from being fined out of them? I wonder if the other businesses on Main Street know that you are speaking for them? I'm not so sure the other business owners would want you to say that the city is making them jump through hoops to keep from being fined! Nothing like putting other business owners on Main Street in the middle of your little hissy fits with the city. Like you insinuating that a financial investment firm would give me a death threat over the color I paint my building? Look at you, talking about a hissy fit after starting a thread just to insult and call me names, just because I painted within our laws, but you don't like it. I am only talking about the problems that I see; no hissy fit here. Did you score low in reading comprehension? We were talking about deteriorating vacant buildings. Vacant means that there isn't a business in it. Like this one on Main Street, do you want to tell us all who owns it? Have you read our vacant building ordinance? I could post some excerpts for you that really seem like hoops that these vacant building owners have to jump through. Maybe you did read the ordinance and know that the city can determine a building with a business like H&R Block as being vacant since 67% of it is unoccupied, and make them jump through the hoops too. They could start imposing the $750.00/day, with each day being a separate occurrence, fines. Then when they get the lien that is worth more than the building, the city could just take it over and fix the wall. I think that would be a pretty good use of the extra $100,000.00 they have now that they got donations to cover the tax money they had committed to the fountain.
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 6, 2013 15:48:30 GMT -6
I could post some excerpts for you that really seem like hoops that these vacant building owners have to jump through. I'm still taking donations to purchase a leather bound copy of the City's Ordinances signed by the City Council for Kyle. Since nobody is stepping forward and staking claim to having his name for Christmas, I will spearhead this drive.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 8, 2013 6:56:31 GMT -6
]I wonder if the other businesses on Main Street know that you are speaking for them? I'm not so sure the other business owners would want you to say that the city is making them jump through hoops to keep from being fined! Nothing like putting other business owners on Main Street in the middle of your little hissy fits with the city. Are you disappearing from another thread? I've been waiting for you to tell us all who owns the building I posted a picture of and explain how my talking about vacant buildings has me speaking for business owners and putting them in the middle of anything any more than your claim that they would give me death threats (which didn't happen). Are you going to just be done with this thread too and then make another of your baseless attacks against me on another thread and disappear again? If you aren't going to stand behind what you say, why should anyone even listen to you?
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 8, 2013 10:16:47 GMT -6
Like you telling people that a financial investment firm would give me a death threat over the color I paint my building? Rewind the tape. Oldtimer didn't say that. Oldtimer said, Hey kyle, go to all the businesses downtown and tell them you are the one responsible for painting your building the colors you did. Then ask them for $5 so you can paint that wall. I'll bet you get more death threats than dollars. Let me know how that works out for you there! Like Edward Jones is going to give you $5 to drive down property values even more.
Oldtimer never said a local financial investment firm would give you a death threat over the color you painted your building. You are twisting his words.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 8, 2013 10:30:23 GMT -6
Like you insinuating that a financial investment firm would give me a death threat over the color I paint my building? Rewind the tape. Oldtimer didn't say that. Oldtimer said, Hey kyle, go to all the businesses downtown and tell them you are the one responsible for painting your building the colors you did. Then ask them for $5 so you can paint that wall. I'll bet you get more death threats than dollars. Let me know how that works out for you there! Like Edward Jones is going to give you $5 to drive down property values even more.
Oldtimer never said a local financial investment firm would give you a death threat over the color you painted your building. You are twisting his words. You are right. I do apologize to everyone for my mistake. I have edited my post
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 8, 2013 10:47:10 GMT -6
I remember when Willy started his account here. It was to call the Aquaponics project a fish farm, which he did end up retracting. Now, Kyle. You can not bash someone for calling Aquaponics a fish farm. Seriously? Even Mother Earth News says, (and I can't stand that I am quoting Mother Earth News ever since I went round and round with them a few years ago over a different matter, lol) "Aquaponics is, at its most basic level, the marriage of aquaculture (raising fish) and hydroponics (growing plants in water and without soil) together in one integrated system." and " Aquaponic gardening enables home fish farming. You can now feel good about eating fish again."
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 8, 2013 11:03:13 GMT -6
There are a lot of differences between an Aquaponics facility and a traditional fish farm.
Even Willy came back and admitted that it wasn't fair to call it a fish farm.
Either way, his very first post on here was an attack on me, and then he refused to answer my question about the city's justification for their industrial zoning requirement. That was the point I was making.
Thank you for pointing out the other issue though, so that I could correct it.
With everything that I have said and you picking it all apart to make sure there are no mistakes, I can know that you feel the rest of it is correct.
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Post by northsider on Nov 8, 2013 11:09:12 GMT -6
I would think that there are a lot of differences between a greenhouse and an aquaponics facility. Dare I say unique differences!
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 8, 2013 11:20:26 GMT -6
There are a lot of differences between an Aquaponics facility and a traditional fish farm. I wouldn't know. I canceled my subscription to Mother Earth News. I believe you though. See, we can all be grownups here. I would have to say as someone not versed in fish farming or aquaponics and as someone who couldn't keep the fish alive in her own aquarium and backyard fish pond, calling it a fish farm doesn't seem that big of a deal to me. Kyle, I read this forum everyday.Some folks use it to air honest complaints and most always I try to investigate the claims. But so many people don't give addresses or their names so it can become confusing to me. Some people on here don't live in Streator or within our corporate limits. Sometimes this forum is like mass confusion, but it is entertaining to a point, sometimes hurtful, and most generally used to bash one another. I haven't ever been on here until now. Just got approved sometime over the night. When and if I ever have anything to say to you, or anybody else that uses their real name to bash another, I won't hide behind some phony name. Anybody that has known me will tell you that I won't say anything behind your back that I wouldn't say to your face, and you know that. Sometimes that attribute has gotten me no where, but I would rather be honest and get maybe a little egg on my face, than to say what people want to hear to get a vote. You implied to Notme that I talk down to others. That is not true. I've gotten much more mellow with age. I don't think I've treated anybody with disrespect at any of the council meetings, including you. I shall continue to read this forum, have no intentions of joining in the conversations though. I would encourage people to use their given names, it would give what you have to say more importance than someone just flapping their gums to stir the pot. I can guess like everyone else who Notme could be, but she isn't me Kyle, not even close!! You have a good day. By the way, my given name is Bob Williamson, but you can call me Willy. Is this his first post? That's the oldest one I found. I don't see anything wrong with it. I truly don't see an attack. With everything that I have said and you picking it all apart to make sure there are no mistakes, I can know that you feel the rest of it is correct. I don't know what you are referring to. You and I have had numerous discussions on here, so which threads are you talking about? I don't want to agree to that statement and then have you pull up a post from a year ago.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 8, 2013 11:25:24 GMT -6
I would think that there are a lot of differences between a greenhouse and an aquaponics facility. Dare I say unique differences! Hey northsider, nice to hear from you. I'd have no problem accepting that it is uniquely different than greenhouses, the most closely related business activity listed. Our zoning ordinance says that in cases like that a Special Use permit is required. I have said from the first time this was brought up that I and the building owner would have had no problem applying for a Special use permit and going through the process with Planning & Zoning, so that Willy could have a chance to vote on it. I was never given that option though. I was given the ridiculous, unjustified industrial zoning requirement.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 8, 2013 11:36:11 GMT -6
There are a lot of differences between an Aquaponics facility and a traditional fish farm. I wouldn't know. I canceled my subscription to Mother Earth News. I believe you though. See, we can all be grownups here. I would have to say as someone not versed in fish farming or aquaponics and as someone who couldn't keep the fish alive in her own aquarium and backyard fish pond, calling it a fish farm doesn't seem that big of a deal to me. Kyle, I read this forum everyday.Some folks use it to air honest complaints and most always I try to investigate the claims. But so many people don't give addresses or their names so it can become confusing to me. Some people on here don't live in Streator or within our corporate limits. Sometimes this forum is like mass confusion, but it is entertaining to a point, sometimes hurtful, and most generally used to bash one another. I haven't ever been on here until now. Just got approved sometime over the night. When and if I ever have anything to say to you, or anybody else that uses their real name to bash another, I won't hide behind some phony name. Anybody that has known me will tell you that I won't say anything behind your back that I wouldn't say to your face, and you know that. Sometimes that attribute has gotten me no where, but I would rather be honest and get maybe a little egg on my face, than to say what people want to hear to get a vote. You implied to Notme that I talk down to others. That is not true. I've gotten much more mellow with age. I don't think I've treated anybody with disrespect at any of the council meetings, including you. I shall continue to read this forum, have no intentions of joining in the conversations though. I would encourage people to use their given names, it would give what you have to say more importance than someone just flapping their gums to stir the pot. I can guess like everyone else who Notme could be, but she isn't me Kyle, not even close!! You have a good day. By the way, my given name is Bob Williamson, but you can call me Willy. Is this his first post? That's the oldest one I found. I don't see anything wrong with it. I truly don't see an attack. With everything that I have said and you picking it all apart to make sure there are no mistakes, I can know that you feel the rest of it is correct. I don't know what you are referring to. You and I have had numerous discussions on here, so which threads are you talking about? I don't want to agree to that statement and then have you pull up a post from a year ago. Well, I guess you are right again. I do apologize, I should have gone back and looked it up, so that I could have said one of his first posts. In my opinion, it doesn't take that much looking into it though to know that Aquaponics does not create the negative environmental problems that a fish farm does and that they are vastly different.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 8, 2013 11:36:46 GMT -6
Cool, another Aquaponics thread!
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 8, 2013 12:12:23 GMT -6
Well, I guess you are right again. I do apologize, I should have gone back and looked it up, so that I could have said one of his first posts. After quickly browsing through his early posts I do not see things the way you see them. I do not see an attack in his early posts at all. Have a great day Kyle.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 8, 2013 13:53:24 GMT -6
It could just be the way that I see things, knowing all along that their restriction does go against our laws.
Aw, come on, you're not leaving are you? We haven't even started rehashing all details of Aquaponics yet.
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 8, 2013 14:45:31 GMT -6
It could just be the way that I see things, knowing all along that their restriction does go against our laws. I think you need a mentor in that regard. Maybe someone like Aquaman that can take you by the hand and lead you step by step through procedures necessary to begin an Aquaponics business in our fair city. UNLESS, you are really Charybdis, then I will deny that I ever suggested that, lest he lose his hand. We haven't even started rehashing all details of Aquaponics yet. Hehehehehe...yep and I'm not going to either.
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