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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 14, 2013 15:48:51 GMT -6
I wouldn't worry about it anyway. Come Thursday we are all done for. The U.S. for the 1st time in history will default on there ability to pay their bills. And especially these people you speak of will die ,then you won't have to worry about dead beats anymore. I won't be surprised if that protest at the white house going on doesn't evolve into a revolution and spread across the country. Pssstttt......... Here's a little bit of advice. The US Government CANNOT default without breaking laws. The interest payment is not due till Nov. 15th, and that is only about 30 Billion, while they are raking in approx. 250 Billion a month. Now, they may have to lay a BUNCH of people off, and drink black coffee instead of Latte Supreme, but the money is there. They just want to scare folks who aren't paying attention. Don't be a useful idiot, write to your Congressmen and remind them of that little fact.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 14, 2013 15:53:14 GMT -6
So another useless, well unless you count all the stinking taxes we pay, old person is about to throw in 2 cents worth for the discussion. (Imagine Sophia, from the Golden Girls, just 3 times as much girth:) Allow me to say that when my Father realized that he was not long for this earth, he made it his business to get my Mother back as close to her family as he possibly could. During the last 2 years of his life, after having given up his job, and selling everything he could, to return us to our maternal roots, he began doing EVERYTHING in his power to provide for us. Honestly he was a jack of all trades, and although he was clearly a sick man, (the VA hospital had little hope of his ever regaining his health), he still worked, all day everyday. The Welfare Lady came to visit us after the first 3 months of us being in the new community, and I sat in the room and listened to the entire interview. She listed every penny they had between them, then she set about devising a plan to help for a limited time, I don't know maybe a quarter of the year, but they were expected to be off the system, sooner not later. What we got from the system at that time, was rather interesting to a 6 year old who'd grown up in the heart of NYC. A fat box of powered milk, a rectangle of American cheese, a box of powdered eggs, a bag of corn meal and an bag of flour was what we recevied. I believe we received it during the original 3 months (by received, we had to find a way to get to the distribution spot monthly, and we had no vehicle) and then as my Mother had found a CNA position, we stopped receiving it after the initial 3 month period. Had they owned a vehicle they would have been expected to sell it, or show GOOD reason why they needed to keep it, and still need support. The idea of owning a home would have been absurd, if the community is needing to supplement your life, then you don't have the income to pay for upkeep, taxes and insurance on a home, they would have been expected to sell it, to care for our family. In 1979, just after having our second baby, my husband was laid off from a job that paid $13. an hour. He could have stayed on unemployment comp for, I believe it was 9 weeks in an attempt to secure a job paying comparably, but after about 3 weeks he found a job, throwing 50# bags of fertilizer onto train cars for $5. an hour and took it!!! His sister had marital problems and she and our 2 year old niece moved in with us. The 6 of us survived on that money, and my sister in law learned that there are a good 3 if not 5 meals that can be had from one fat old chicken, if used in the "proper" way. He, by the way, worked that job for almost a year before a better position opened up. For those who don't know we were in a very rough economic slump during that time. I say all of this because I do understand hard times, and have had cardboard in my shoes many times, and safety pins in my underwear because the elastic was defunct. I've let out hems and taken in seams in all of our clothes, when we finally got a sewing machine when I was 15 I made clothes for my family on a regular basis. I began working in shops in our town, off the books, when I was 12, as I was working with my Mother. At 14 it was legal for me to work. Then, I was still paid what I had been paid, when I was 12, which was $5. 00 a day. I got to work at 8:30 a.m., had an hour lunch and got off at 6:00 p.m. My first job when I was 8,was shelling bags and bags of pecans, and sprinkling clothes, waiting to be pressed, and hanging the pressed clothes, my Mother ironed for other people. As an adult I wouldn't have thought it proper for us to have cable, or to even waste the electricity on t.v. watching, if we'd been asking for assistance. We played board games for entertainment. My husband supplemented the income from the factory by shoveling walks for neighbors. When my son wanted Michael Jordan red and black tennis shoes, I encouraged him to get them, by working and saving up HIS money, same with his special bicycle he wanted and GOT. I believe that dependence on ourselves and our Creator is ultimately important for people to learn. Not the cushy dependence that has grown up in our country upon the government. Such dependence has robbed people of their personal pride and sense of achievement, and only those people can decide to take back their responsibility for their selves and their children. I can attest to the truth of children being very aware of the attitudes and pride of their parents. My son and his wife work all they can to provide for their family, and pay the rediculous taxes we are all expected to pay, in this govenment gone wild with spending other peoples hard earned cash. And altough I hate seeing them exhausted 90% of the time, I'm PROUD of them and their work ethics and the attitudes they have taught my Grandchildren. I knew there was a reason I am honored to call you friend dear!
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Post by oldtimer on Oct 14, 2013 19:42:36 GMT -6
Obama has more than doubled our debt in 5 short years.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 15, 2013 6:56:13 GMT -6
Obama has more than doubled our debt in 5 short years. I don't care for the lying Marxist, but lying about him in return simply drops you to his level. It will take him 8 years to double the debt imposed by the previous 43 Presidents........
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Post by usafmike76 on Oct 15, 2013 7:17:29 GMT -6
Saw on 9 news at 12pm today that they reported that doctors and hospitals are now requiring payment up front before being seen. Going to be a lot of life threatening emergencies that these people will die in the er,cause they are not able to pay before they treat them. You are a colossal idiot. I hope I don't know you outside of this forum.
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Post by seaturtle43 in hostile forum on Oct 15, 2013 7:24:01 GMT -6
I wouldn't worry about it anyway. Come Thursday we are all done for. The U.S. for the 1st time in history will default on there ability to pay their bills. And especially these people you speak of will die ,then you won't have to worry about dead beats anymore. I won't be surprised if that protest at the white house going on doesn't evolve into a revolution and spread across the country. If you are talking about the debt ceiling, you obviously don't know what it means and how it works....
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 15, 2013 16:52:20 GMT -6
Saw on 9 news at 12pm today that they reported that doctors and hospitals are now requiring payment up front before being seen. Going to be a lot of life threatening emergencies that these people will die in the er,cause they are not able to pay before they treat them. You are a colossal idiot. I hope I don't know you outside of this forum. Hmm, guess Bloomberg is off the mark as well............... www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-14/patients-pay-before-seeing-doctor-as-deductibles-spread.html
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Post by Val on Oct 15, 2013 17:06:58 GMT -6
I don't need to "pay" for your Link Card, so you won't kick down my doors to "steal food, even kill to get it.". Right about now you might wish for those 30 round standard capacity magazines you so despise............... Somehow I don't think the mighty Greek followed Joe's advice about purchasing a double barrel shotgun to shoot into the air...... Oh yea, save your breath about the Second Amendment, they ain't following the laws anyway. AMEN OutlawwithaSnipeSniper!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 16, 2013 7:23:38 GMT -6
I don't care for the lying Marxist, but lying about him in return simply drops you to his level. It will take him 8 years to double the debt imposed by the previous 43 Presidents........ LOL, he could have done it a lot faster than 8 years had he not had opposition reigning him in. Scary.... Yea, as much as I hate the spineless jellyfish Republicans, they did at least throw some bodies under the tank treads to slow him down.
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Post by oldtimer on Oct 16, 2013 7:28:17 GMT -6
LOL, he could have done it a lot faster than 8 years had he not had opposition reigning him in. Scary.... Yea, as much as I hate the spineless jellyfish Republicans, they did at least throw some bodies under the tank treads to slow him down. Yeah, the "spineless" Republicans are trying to stop that fool anyway they can.
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Post by BTrendy on Oct 16, 2013 7:41:39 GMT -6
Bring back the public works programs they had during the last depression. You know, that old idea of EARNING money?
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Post by cityslicker on Oct 16, 2013 9:03:46 GMT -6
These deadbeats do not want work or know what gainful employment is . They know how to spread their legs and make more dependent spawn. They have the system figured out, free food, free dwelling,cell phones and medical care. Who are the "real" dummies?
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Post by oldtimer on Oct 16, 2013 10:41:18 GMT -6
Bring back the public works programs they had during the last depression. You know, that old idea of EARNING money? Something needs to be done.
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Post by no1inparticular on Oct 16, 2013 11:08:51 GMT -6
Here's the reality of it folks... The "Welfare-to-Work" act was set in place and signed by Clinton...This meant that anyone receiving benefits had to be employed, or in a sanctioned activity for 32 hours per week...This act also included what was known as the "MFG" (maximum family grant) which meant that ones benefits would NOT increase with the addition of more children... This drastically decreased the number of families receiving aid, as many did in fact obtain gainful employment and no longer needed the assistance...
Then Obama decided to throw out the "Welfare-to-Work" act, and return to the generational dependence that had led to the need for such guidelines...
The sad thing is, there isn't a single one of us who could afford to live on part-time, minimum wages...The unfortunate thing is, that's exactly where things are headed...
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Post by evaryman on Oct 16, 2013 12:57:13 GMT -6
I appreciate your thoughtful post no1P. thank you.
Would you give us some numbers of what "part-time, minimum wages" would be. I think there are some here who are more than willing to offer ways to survive on just about zip, and have done so in past.
In recent years, as I spoke with a PhD working and doing research in one of our major medical research facilities, in the field of medical/social well-being-services to the underserved population's of our country,(that's likely not the exact title, but it was close) I was appalled by what this individual believed was "bare minimun for sustained human life". What was proposed as minimal far exceeded what my husband and I, as well as many of our friends, considered wasteful spending. According to this social engineer, we were living in less than minimal situations. I find that we have been sustained for a good long time in this manner, long before the definitions were known to us. And I also believe that those spending the money, might be a bit less forth coming with the comforts if they (rather than the faceless tax payers) were personally paying for another to keep the thermostat at 74 in winter and 68 in summer, not to mention the amount of protien that this person proposed is necessary for health. By the standards of this, and I say this in all honesty, lovely, intelligent, kind and caring person, we should have died, or contracted some dreadful disease years ago.
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