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Post by father of two on Sept 26, 2013 8:31:49 GMT -6
You are kidding aren't you? You don't have an idea of what a liveable wage is in your opinion. Is it 10, 15, 20 $ an hour. If you don't know how could the council succeed in bringing such jobs here that would satisfy your need? Streator businesses such as Vactor, ALM, Transco have all added more jobs in the last few years. How have other communities nearby done? Results call center brought hundreds of jobs. It seems Streator and our council have done pretty good in creating jobs here but yet it's not good enough for you. Give me a specific number for what you consider is a good wage. Don't sidestep the answer. I had to be specific for you, return the courtesy. Please.
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Post by job on Sept 26, 2013 8:54:21 GMT -6
You people should listen to Kyle. He really knows how to find good investments.
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Post by hawk on Sept 26, 2013 9:12:56 GMT -6
You are kidding aren't you? You don't have an idea of what a liveable wage is in your opinion. Is it 10, 15, 20 $ an hour. If you don't know how could the council succeed in bringing such jobs here that would satisfy your need? Streator businesses such as Vactor, ALM, Transco have all added more jobs in the last few years. How have other communities nearby done? Results call center brought hundreds of jobs. It seems Streator and our council have done pretty good in creating jobs here but yet it's not good enough for you. Give me a specific number for what you consider is a good wage. Don't sidestep the answer. I had to be specific for you, return the courtesy. Please. He only likes to give vague descriptions and very open ended results so he can twist the discussion towards what he "thinks" is "best" for the city. I'm still waiting to here what these jobs are that are coming to Illinois that Streator is missing out on.
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Post by hawk on Sept 26, 2013 9:16:36 GMT -6
You gave an incomplete example about Chanute Kansas and their broadband situation as a comparison to Streator. You conveniently left out how long it took them to make $600,000 until I questioned your example. Then you had to add how long it took and chime in with "the sooner started, the sooner that [revenue] could happen." How far do you think that $138,000 will go by doing that? I didn't conveniently leave that out. Their initial investment in 1984 wasn't to create revenue, it was to control their power grid, which probably did start creating benefits for residents right away. When they did decide to start expanding it to be available to businesses in 2006, I'm sure it did start producing more revenue, but we don't have those numbers. They finally just started expanding to residential customers in 2011. Now just two two years later it takes them just one year to make $600,000.00. I think that is impressive. I think $138,000.00 would go a lot farther to producing income as part of a fiber optic network than a fountain in City Park. Again what you "think" and what is accurate or logical are two very different things.
Nothing makes me an expert and I never said I was, or that they had to jump at all. Obviously they don't have to follow the suggestions that I give them, I don't think they have yet. Is that because I've been too tautologous? Thats what I said, so yes. When someone exposes himself in the middle of the street and I tell them, how many more do I have to watch do it without saying anything for it to ever end? BS is what that is. If they did something about the problems once in a while, I wouldn't have to keep going back to talk about the same things over and over again. Obviously they don't have to jump to my suggestions, so I get to the point of posting videos on line. And that helps how? The bar problems is the issue that I have been most tautologous on. When I complained about it the first time, I was not tautologous, but they didn't do anything about the problem then. Problems don't just go away by themselves. After six years of trying to get something done, I imagine the complaints would start to seem tautologous. Posting the videos got a lot more people to realize how bad the problem is, and created more conversation about it. Time will tell, but it has already seemed to have done more than any conversation I have had with any City leader. The only conversation I've heard was on here, and most of it was how your commentary was in poor taste
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 26, 2013 11:17:46 GMT -6
You are kidding aren't you? You don't have an idea of what a liveable wage is in your opinion. Is it 10, 15, 20 $ an hour. If you don't know how could the council succeed in bringing such jobs here that would satisfy your need? Streator businesses such as Vactor, ALM, Transco have all added more jobs in the last few years. How have other communities nearby done? Results call center brought hundreds of jobs. It seems Streator and our council have done pretty good in creating jobs here but yet it's not good enough for you. Give me a specific number for what you consider is a good wage. Don't sidestep the answer. I had to be specific for you, return the courtesy. Please. Livable wage is different depending on different circumstances, such as family size and other benefits. I would like to see us looking to attract the type of jobs that pay $30K & up, which isn't really much to try to raise a family on. I know there have been a few of those added and do appreciate them, but yes, I think we do need more. Other communities nearby seem to have been doing fine. Do you know of any that have such a problem as we do with decreasing population and so many vacancies?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 26, 2013 11:23:29 GMT -6
He only likes to give vague descriptions and very open ended results so he can twist the discussion towards what he "thinks" is "best" for the city. I'm still waiting to here what these jobs are that are coming to Illinois that Streator is missing out on. I never said that jobs were coming to Illinois that we were missing out on. I said that I think we should be doing everything that we can to try to attract them here, but some people feel we have plenty.
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Post by dog on Sept 26, 2013 11:31:32 GMT -6
Other communities nearby seem to have been doing fine. Do you know of any that have such a problem as we do with decreasing population and so many vacancies? Opinion, or fact? Have towns like Ottawa, LP, Pontiac, or Dwight added livable wage jobs? If so, what companies and how many jobs?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 26, 2013 11:38:18 GMT -6
I think $138,000.00 would go a lot farther to producing income as part of a fiber optic network than a fountain in City Park. Again what you "think" and what is accurate or logical are two very different things.
I post "I think", to try to make sure it is known that it is my opinion. Just one person's opinion. You have yours and I have mine. As part of a fiber optic network I think the $138,000 could create revenue from leases and jobs. I don't think the fountain will create much revenue at all. I'll listen to your explanation of how I am wrong. Posting the videos got a lot more people to realize how bad the problem is, and created more conversation about it. Time will tell, but it has already seemed to have done more than any conversation I have had with any City leader. The only conversation I've heard was on here, and most of it was how your commentary was in poor tasteI've heard a lot more people comment about the problems since then. Maybe you are right though and it did nothing at all and the drunken street fights and public urination will just continue. Too bad the City leaders couldn't just clean it up though, don't you think? [/quote]
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 26, 2013 11:40:50 GMT -6
Other communities nearby seem to have been doing fine. Do you know of any that have such a problem as we do with decreasing population and so many vacancies? Opinion, or fact? Have towns like Ottawa, LP, Pontiac, or Dwight added livable wage jobs? If so, what companies and how many jobs? Opinion. I don't think they needed to add so many new jobs, they didn't have as big of a problem as we do.
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Post by hawk on Sept 26, 2013 12:22:51 GMT -6
Again what you "think" and what is accurate or logical are two very different things.
I post "I think", to try to make sure it is known that it is my opinion. Just one person's opinion. You have yours and I have mine. As part of a fiber optic network I think the $138,000 could create revenue from leases and jobs. I don't think the fountain will create much revenue at all. I'll listen to your explanation of how I am wrong. The only conversation I've heard was on here, and most of it was how your commentary was in poor taste I've heard a lot more people comment about the problems since then. Maybe you are right though and it did nothing at all and the drunken street fights and public urination will just continue. Too bad the City leaders couldn't just clean it up though, don't you think? [/quote] I dont have to, sassy already did. You mustve missed it or ignored it because it didn't fall under what you "think".
atfiles.org/files/pdf/citiesparksecon.pdf
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 26, 2013 12:34:29 GMT -6
When the fountain is done property values will go up, people will spend more here and affluent people will start buying houses here?
Well, I guess we don't need jobs here then.
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Post by father of two on Sept 26, 2013 13:14:27 GMT -6
Doesn't every community want more growth, jobs, and increased property values? Yet you claim they don't need them as much as we do. Pontiac and Dwight would love more jobs. A prison closing in Dwight affected them greatly. Ottawa and la Salle would love more jobs and tax base. The fact that we have landed jobs here and had expansion says something positive about our community. While others are stagnant we have improved. Would building a community pool draw your scorn also?
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Post by northsider on Sept 26, 2013 15:12:33 GMT -6
I have a question for Kyle. What would you have like to seen done with the fountain. It needed $138000 worth of repairs. Would you rather it be fixed, sit there broken and continue to deteriorate, or torn out?
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Post by father of two on Sept 26, 2013 16:30:26 GMT -6
Just for thought, how many jobs that pay a liveable wage have Ottawa, Pontiac, La Salle, Peru, and Dwight added in the last 5 years? I would guess that Streator has done more than the others. Those townsite get more in retail jobs and sales tax from interstate traffic but factory jobs created I doubt they've been as successful.
In your thought of what a liveable wage is, how could any company afford to pay liveable wages based on that. If I were to hire 1 person and had 3 final choices, one may receive a liveable wage by getting the job and the other 2 not. If the job paid 35K a single man would do well, a married man with 2/3 kids not so much and a married man with 5 kids not good at all. But to me a $17 an hour job is a good job, regardless of situation. Paying employees based on their situation would cause more problems.
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Post by helencrump on Sept 27, 2013 0:12:03 GMT -6
Since when is pay scale based on employees needs, and not ability/skill level?
There used to be a saying 'youve put the cart before the horse'. Here, it would apply to you get the job, and then live accordingly. If you want more out of life, then you expand your skill/ability level, to advance, and earn more money.
Btw, I'd like to congratulate my youngest on her promotion she learned of today. Keep climbing, baby!!
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