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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 29, 2013 14:09:18 GMT -6
For those of you that want to defend the way Kyle went about this, you have that right. Nobody is going to convince me that this wasn't his way of getting over the City of Streator. In one of the earlier posts I believe he told Jeremy Palm that he was going to put bird cages on his roof. Why not be open about it and say, "I'm going to put chicken cages up on my roof?" Jeremy may have had second thoughts. I certainly don't think of chickens in the same reference as I do birds. There is a reason why farm animals are not allowed in the City. I'm sure when it was put on the books there may have been some kind of abuse sometime. Sure, some people wouldn't abuse the right to have chickens, but there is a likely hood there would be a lot of abuse of some of the people that have no regard for our municipal rules. Just as folks don't follow the rules like dogs roaming, I'd bet people wouldn't take proper care of chickens either. I believe chickens belong on a farm as well as roosters. The ordinance reads no farm animals in the city and I really believe most readers would think of a chicken as a farm animal. Just my honest opinion. So then why isn't there a special meeting called to ban dogs within the city since there is an obvious problem with them running loose and crapping everywhere? I'd like that answer too Willy.
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Post by hawk on Aug 29, 2013 14:12:56 GMT -6
LaSalle, Chicago, Evanston, Naperville, Brookfield, Oak Park, Batavia, Winnetka, Northbrook, Belleville, Kirkland, Bartonville, Oswego, Quincy, Urbana, Alton, Plainfield, Pekin, Silvis, Galesburg, Gary In, Green Bay Wi, Madison Wi, Ann Arbor Mi, New York City, Losa Angeles, Burbank, San Francisco, Oklahoma City, Austin, St. Louis, Cincinati, just to name a few cities that have taken a progressive step forward. What is the point of listing these cities Kyle? Comparing these cities to Streator is like comparing apples to oranges. With the exception of LaSalle, these towns are all located in highly populated areas with a developed urban setting. As such, they are limited on "rural space". As another person has posted, Streator has enough rural farmland surrounding it that there is no reason why chickens should be allowed in the city. Chickens are farm animals plain & simple, if someone is that hell bent on raising chickens, then they should of considered purchasing land in the country where it is available versus in the middle of downtown Streator. The same goes for people who build or buy houses near railroad tracks and complain about the noise, near a factory and complain about the truck traffic, etc. I am getting so sick of people wanting there to always be an exception because they made a poor choice to start with. I noticed you chose to attack Myself instead of Sassy with regards to citys that allow chickens. Typical. She gives locations that are surrounded by farmland. If you would like I can list a few more that are located near farmland. When is a chicken considered a farm animal and not a pet, when it crosses the city limits. (Might as well ban rabbits too while theyre at it.) Thats like saying your not a family member when one moves and crosses the state line. Which by the way, you dont even live here. In fact you live in another state all together, in a town that allows backyard chickens. Which was an ordinance set in place before you became a resident. Interesting.
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Post by metoo on Aug 29, 2013 14:14:25 GMT -6
So then why isn't there a special meeting called to ban dogs within the city since there is an obvious problem with them running loose and crapping everywhere? I'd like that answer too Willy. You really are a jerk Kyle Mitchell Does the Roxy know what you are doing in Streator - hell if I was them you would on your way oput the door You are nothing but a trouble maker?
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Post by father of two on Aug 29, 2013 14:15:02 GMT -6
You'd have to ask the current council. He doesn't sit on it anymore. Darkduke, whether they are bigger cities or not, they are allowing them in residential areas. For someone who doesn't live in town, why the outrage?
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Post by job on Aug 29, 2013 14:40:27 GMT -6
In life, someone is always trying to get away with something, bend the rules and be the exception to the rule. When those things happen it forces somebody to tighten the present rules, like in this case. Somebody always gets grand-fathered, and in this case it's going to be Kyle. Willy, Just a thought, but can the ordinance be amended and worded that the amenedment takes effect at the time the original ordinance was written. This would alleviate the grand fathered clause. Grandfathering? See O'Grady v. Libertyville (304 F.3d 719 2002) .
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 29, 2013 14:43:05 GMT -6
I am convinced that much of the opposition to chickens comes from the bar people that are upset about my speaking of the over-serving, street fights, etc.
This issue really isn't about chickens at all. It is about being able to drink yourself into oblivion and do whatever you want in the streets, without anyone talking about it.
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Post by darkduke on Aug 29, 2013 14:54:04 GMT -6
Hawk and FOT,
You are correct I do not stay in Streator since I went back to school out of state to further my education and career, however I still return to Streator a fair amount of time throughout the year to visit family and friends. I still own and maintain property parcels in Streator that would be subject to being affected by this ordinance. I still offer support to community organizations I belonged to before.
Hawk, while I may live in Columbus, the city itself is fairly small and comprised of a large metro area of smaller cities, villages and towns. Most of these cities, villages, and towns are broken into subdivisions governed by HOA's, I can tell you that a majority of the HOA's do not allow chickens in our neighborhoods.
In researching Columbus allowing chickens, you are correct. However, their ordinance is very strict requiring routine vet care, an annual health inspection of the property, certain criteria for a housing the birds (an enclosed building and requirements for a run area), a certain distance between the coop and adjacent property lines (a very hard requirement to meet in an urban area). In addition, adjoining property owners must be notified of the intent by the person requesting a permit to house chickens, and must be in agreement. So if say a person next door to me wanted chickens and I said no, the deal is done: NO CHICKENS ALLOWED !!!!
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Post by metoo on Aug 29, 2013 15:07:19 GMT -6
Hawk and FOT, You are correct I do not stay in Streator since I went back to school out of state to further my education and career, however I still return to Streator a fair amount of time throughout the year to visit family and friends. I still own and maintain property parcels in Streator that would be subject to being affected by this ordinance. I still offer support to community organizations I belonged to before. Hawk, while I may live in Columbus, the city itself is fairly small and comprised of a large metro area of smaller cities, villages and towns. Most of these cities, villages, and towns are broken into subdivisions governed by HOA's, I can tell you that a majority of the HOA's do not allow chickens in our neighborhoods. In researching Columbus allowing chickens, you are correct. However, their ordinance is very strict requiring routine vet care, an annual health inspection of the property, certain criteria for a housing the birds (an enclosed building and requirements for a run area), a certain distance between the coop and adjacent property lines (a very hard requirement to meet in an urban area). In addition, adjoining property owners must be notified of the intent by the person requesting a permit to house chickens, and must be in agreement. So if say a person next door to me wanted chickens and I said no, the deal is done: NO CHICKENS ALLOWED !!!!
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Post by metoo on Aug 29, 2013 15:09:42 GMT -6
Hawk and FOT, You are correct I do not stay in Streator since I went back to school out of state to further my education and career, however I still return to Streator a fair amount of time throughout the year to visit family and friends. I still own and maintain property parcels in Streator that would be subject to being affected by this ordinance. I still offer support to community organizations I belonged to before. Hawk, while I may live in Columbus, the city itself is fairly small and comprised of a large metro area of smaller cities, villages and towns. Most of these cities, villages, and towns are broken into subdivisions governed by HOA's, I can tell you that a majority of the HOA's do not allow chickens in our neighborhoods. In researching Columbus allowing chickens, you are correct. However, their ordinance is very strict requiring routine vet care, an annual health inspection of the property, certain criteria for a housing the birds (an enclosed building and requirements for a run area), a certain distance between the coop and adjacent property lines (a very hard requirement to meet in an urban area). In addition, adjoining property owners must be notified of the intent by the person requesting a permit to house chickens, and must be in agreement. So if say a person next door to me wanted chickens and I said no, the deal is done: NO CHICKENS ALLOWED !!!! Wonder if he even bothered to ask the owners of the property next door?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 29, 2013 16:12:01 GMT -6
Sniper, you were probably thinking of three Latin words when you said: "I do believe they will have to allow you to be grandfathered in, at least until such time as you no longer have Chickens." The City, however, may be thinking of the reasoning in O'Grady v. Libertyville (304 F.3d 719) You calling Kyles chickens prostitutes? All I can say is halleluiah, we have solved all of Streator's problems such that we can now focus on chickens.......
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Post by father of two on Aug 29, 2013 16:13:44 GMT -6
All of these things could be put in an ordinance regarding chickens. Kyle, I don't think this is bar patrons expressing their views.
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Post by dog on Aug 29, 2013 16:56:02 GMT -6
Hawk and FOT, I still own and maintain property parcels in Streator that would be subject to being affected by this ordinance. If I may respectfully ask, how would allowing chickens in the city, affect your property? I have asked this question a couple of times and cant get a response from the anti-poultry group, other than to say, they are farm animals, they belong on a farm.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 29, 2013 17:03:02 GMT -6
My personal opinion is Kyle was looking for a fight and researched ordinances that he could push the City's buttons with and found it with chickens in a commercial zone. This is exactly where he wants to be. Is this the first time you have heard me talk about eating foods that are not laced with chemicals and carcinogens? Perhaps you could look back at the Aquaponics threads over the last couple of years. I've spoken of Aquaponics products having less chemicals than certified organic foods. How about the Food Inc. thread or the Monsanto Story thread, how many years ago were those threads? Go back and look at how I have been speaking for several years about the chemical industrial complex. The companies creating GMO's, growth hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides, etc., etc. are also selling us chemicals to keep treating the sysmptoms of cancers and other diseases that I believe are caused by the food production chemicals. Most commercially sold eggs are so loaded with growth hormones that they would not be allowed to be sold in many other countries. Over 70% of antibiotics in the US are used on food production animals. Arsenic, a known carcinogen has been routinely fed to commercially raised chickens for decades. I got laying hens to teach my kids and grand kids a little healthier and more sustainable way of living, but I know my detractors will still think and say what they want. It's the SO way.
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Post by Anonymous on Aug 29, 2013 17:06:15 GMT -6
I am convinced that much of the opposition to chickens comes from the bar people that are upset about my speaking of the over-serving, street fights, etc. This issue really isn't about chickens at all. It is about being able to drink yourself into oblivion and do whatever you want in the streets, without anyone talking about it. I have to say that I haven't been to that bar ever. I'm not a bar person nor do I condone over serving of alcohol or street fights. Quit lumping everybody into one category!
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Post by ImRonBurgundy? on Aug 29, 2013 19:24:52 GMT -6
Im against chickens being kept on a rooftop no matter who owns them. Personally, I think its cruel to the chickens. Im a firm believer that animals should be able to roam outdoors and graze/peck. That's just my opinion though.
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