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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 16:37:35 GMT -6
In addition, trump has also managed to almost double the national debt in only his first term to $$21,971,368,000,000$$ First off, show ANYONE here the last time the GDP did anywhere near those levels, sustained. You want to bang Trump for exaggerating? Fine, but I will tell you he honestly thought he could persuade the d**n Congress to quit blowing so much money. But you are shown to be a world class LIAR with the quoted above............. On the last day Barack Obama held office, the official Public Debt was $19,947,304,555,212, or just shy of 20 Trillion. Only you and AOC can try and say Trump has managed to almost double the debt. And yea, you are that stupid to try. Yeah, it's doper math: taking things into account that are there but not really such as unforeseen costs, spending, decreased revenues, budgets, budget deficits, economic down turns . . . Watch the magic, puffff! Build wall
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 10, 2019 17:15:17 GMT -6
What the HECK are you rattling on about?
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Post by evaryman on Feb 10, 2019 17:52:45 GMT -6
4Iam said “Do you understand what happens during economic downs turns?? Who will you blame then??”
Indeed, I truly do comprehend economic downturns. I trust you have survived a few yourself!
And please tell me “who” I have blamed, and for “what” were they blamed.
Communication requires honesty & clarity of expression. I need clarification.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 10, 2019 18:00:52 GMT -6
Eva, I am not too sure how many Utes have been taught that money does not always continue to grow or come in, thus it is a fools bet to not spend less than you take in.
Honestly, some people will only learn the painful way.
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Post by evaryman on Feb 10, 2019 18:13:21 GMT -6
Eva, I am not too sure how many Utes have been taught that money does not always continue to grow or come in, thus it is a fools bet to not spend less than you take in. Honestly, some people will only learn the painful way. Agreed, I attempted to express this circumstance as it presently exists in our country a few days back. (In this thread I believe) But I truly think all of our efforts are possibly wasted on minds that won’t consider & learn to think for themselves. But these are not the first humans who chose this path. People were still going to Rome, to live off the state, when it was deteriorating!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 5:44:59 GMT -6
What the HECK are you rattling on about? I don't get it. All the crap the liar in chief feeds you and you hang on every word. I slide in one little trump-like exaggeration and you pick it right out. Ok, another exaggeration. I'll say trump will add as much to the national debt in less than four years as Obama did in eight. The difference is Obama inherited a failing economy (financial system collapse) and left the gift of an expanding economy. On the other hand trump inherited a solid expanding economy and set the US economy on course to fiscal destruction. . . . I can't help myself
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 5:59:51 GMT -6
Eva, I am not too sure how many Utes have been taught that money does not always continue to grow or come in, thus it is a fools bet to not spend less than you take in. Honestly, some people will only learn the painful way. When the economy turns negative because of trump's financial acumen, and the national debt is threatening to eat our country alive (the markets are diving and jobs are being lost by the millions), how $$much$$ do you think it will take to turn the economy back on the path to positive growth?? . . . and the country was once concerned with health care costs eating the economy alive We ain't seen nothing yet.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 11, 2019 9:58:49 GMT -6
What the HECK are you rattling on about? I don't get it. All the crap the liar in chief feeds you and you hang on every word. I slide in one little trump-like exaggeration and you pick it right out. Ok, another exaggeration. I'll say trump will add as much to the national debt in less than four years as Obama did in eight. The difference is Obama inherited a failing economy (financial system collapse) and left the gift of an expanding economy. On the other hand trump inherited a solid expanding economy and set the US economy on course to fiscal destruction. . . . I can't help myself And you basis in fact for this statement is? You DO realize Obama just about DOUBLED ( Over 9 Trillion ) the debt? So Trump will have to add right at 8 Trillion in 2 more years? You can't help yourself because you are nuttier than a pet Coon.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 11, 2019 9:59:27 GMT -6
Eva, I am not too sure how many Utes have been taught that money does not always continue to grow or come in, thus it is a fools bet to not spend less than you take in. Honestly, some people will only learn the painful way. When the economy turns negative because of trump's financial acumen, and the national debt is threatening to eat our country alive (the markets are diving and jobs are being lost by the millions), how $$much$$ do you think it will take to turn the economy back on the path to positive growth?? . . . and the country was once concerned with health care costs eating the economy alive We ain't seen nothing yet. Here again, your basis in fact is?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 11, 2019 10:22:35 GMT -6
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 11, 2019 10:24:38 GMT -6
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Post by Me on Feb 16, 2019 9:43:42 GMT -6
We've had our taxes prepared and, while we still have to write a check, it's still good news and the tax breaks did help us.
I've seen SO many comments that people get LESS back this year than they have in years past and, on its face, it sounds as though the tax cuts have not benefited them. Once again, we're back to the "look at the whole picture".
What many folks are not looking at is the fact that they didn't have as much withheld as in years past and the IRS is NOT a "savings account". The only reason that ANYONE gets a "refund" is because they withheld too much.
What you need to look at in order to see how the tax cuts affected you is your "total tax" in each year and divide it by your income and that will give you the percentage.
How much your "refund" is has nothing to do with whether or not you are in a better situation.
The only reason that we're still having to write a check is because we didn't have enough withheld.
Bottom line is that we were required to pay approximately $3,500.00 less in taxes last year as in the past 10 years.
If anyone wants to talk about "fair", the fact that 44% of people in this Country pay NO taxes is not fair.
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Post by ironeagle on Feb 16, 2019 17:08:02 GMT -6
I figured out my 2018 taxes with a 2017 1040 to see what was the total amount of the tax cut. For my family it came in at right around 4 grand less in taxes paid into the Federal government. We also had a bigger standard and child tax credit for this year. 24k compared to 12k deduction and 3k to 1k per child.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 16, 2019 21:54:17 GMT -6
We've had our taxes prepared and, while we still have to write a check, it's still good news and the tax breaks did help us.
I've seen SO many comments that people get LESS back this year than they have in years past and, on its face, it sounds as though the tax cuts have not benefited them. Once again, we're back to the "look at the whole picture".
What many folks are not looking at is the fact that they didn't have as much withheld as in years past and the IRS is NOT a "savings account". The only reason that ANYONE gets a "refund" is because they withheld too much.
What you need to look at in order to see how the tax cuts affected you is your "total tax" in each year and divide it by your income and that will give you the percentage.
How much your "refund" is has nothing to do with whether or not you are in a better situation.
The only reason that we're still having to write a check is because we didn't have enough withheld.
Bottom line is that we were required to pay approximately $3,500.00 less in taxes last year as in the past 10 years.
If anyone wants to talk about "fair", the fact that 44% of people in this Country pay NO taxes is not fair. Accurate, but WAY over their heads............. Lets put it in a form they MIGHT be able to comprehend......... ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 22:49:34 GMT -6
pretty good video in here
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