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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 7, 2019 9:19:36 GMT -6
In CBO’s projections, deficits remain large by historical standards, and federal debt grows to equal 93 percent of GDP by 2029. Still laughing?? Now I know you are dumber than a box of monkeys. What was the LAST YEAR that Federal Debt didn't grow? What is the current GDP? When has CBO EVER used valid numbers for its projections? Finally, please explain how 19.84 Trillion is less than 19.485 Trillion? You and your statistics are full of crap. Actually I should not be laughing at your ignorance, I should be weeping.
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Post by evaryman on Feb 7, 2019 11:30:22 GMT -6
“Actually I should not be laughing at your ignorance, I should be weeping.”
The truth in that statement is abundant, but not in response to just a single message board poster, but in response to the staggering numbers of ill educated citizens in our nation. They are untaught and are expecting someone else to be responsible for almost all aspects of life. “The City” should keep the sidewalks clear! Really? And yet those same people are opposed to being taxed. “Why?” Because they truly believe there’s an unlimited supply of resources that “we the people” should be able to tap; endlessly! Somewhere along the way, we gave up the responsibility of teaching our children about local, state, federal & international law & co-operation. We are facing a dark time, not too different from other “dark” ages in history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 18:59:37 GMT -6
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Post by evaryman on Feb 9, 2019 19:25:34 GMT -6
What is “it” that you see really happening? The powerful influencing national/state/local policy is not new information, nor new social occurrence. History is rife with stories of the rich running the show! And I agree with the writer, not since the Reagan days have the lower & middle classes enjoyed increased financial security. My understanding of this administration’s hope was seeking a return of increase to the WORKING folk.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 9, 2019 20:25:21 GMT -6
And that is happening, middle class blue collar wages are rising faster than upper class wages.
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Post by mholcomb on Feb 9, 2019 20:43:24 GMT -6
I paid 8.5% last year and 8.6% this year in federal income taxes after everything is said and done, so as I expected the changes didn't do anything for me one way or the other, I never had enough to itemize anyway but the increased standard deduction didnt change anything for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 4:47:26 GMT -6
What is “it” that you see really happening? The powerful influencing national/state/local policy is not new information, nor new social occurrence. History is rife with stories of the rich running the show! And I agree with the writer, not since the Reagan days have the lower & middle classes enjoyed increased financial security. My understanding of this administration’s hope was seeking a return of increase to the WORKING folk. I think the variable is the roaring twenties where everyone lived and partied in excess. In this era of drug legalization,party buses and people living beyond their means based on the amount of personal debt out there what could possibly go wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 10:11:05 GMT -6
In CBO’s projections, deficits remain large by historical standards, and federal debt grows to equal 93 percent of GDP by 2029. Still laughing?? Now I know you are dumber than a box of monkeys. What was the LAST YEAR that Federal Debt didn't grow? What is the current GDP? When has CBO EVER used valid numbers for its projections? Finally, please explain how 19.84 Trillion is less than 19.485 Trillion? You and your statistics are full of crap. Actually I should not be laughing at your ignorance, I should be weeping. How can we have a reasonable discussion when you disagree with a detail you actually agree with?? Do you know if you're coming or going??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 10:34:50 GMT -6
In CBO’s projections, deficits remain large by historical standards, and federal debt grows to equal 93 percent of GDP by 2029. Still laughing?? Now I know you are dumber than a box of monkeys. What was the LAST YEAR that Federal Debt didn't grow? What is the current GDP? When has CBO EVER used valid numbers for its projections? Finally, please explain how 19.84 Trillion is less than 19.485 Trillion? You and your statistics are full of crap. Actually I should not be laughing at your ignorance, I should be weeping. Hard to believe debt is acceptable according to which party is in charge.You Democrats were all good with it when it was your debt and now some Republicans are good with it as it is now our debt. The original consensus was that increased economic growth would start to bring the debt down within a couple years.But as usual no amount of increased tax revenue can stop the government from bleeding us dry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 12:36:06 GMT -6
What is “it” that you see really happening? The powerful influencing national/state/local policy is not new information, nor new social occurrence. History is rife with stories of the rich running the show! And I agree with the writer, not since the Reagan days have the lower & middle classes enjoyed increased financial security. My understanding of this administration’s hope was seeking a return of increase to the WORKING folk. I think the variable is the roaring twenties where everyone lived and partied in excess. In this era of drug legalization,party buses and people living beyond their means based on the amount of personal debt out there what could possibly go wrong.
Obama's finest parting gift and trump's greatest inheritance was the US economy. However, trump is bent on destroying everything Obama for the sake of trump (not country). Instead of launching off the solid economic foundation left by Obama, trump proposed his cut cut cut tax cut plan to spur GDP to pay off the national debt. The GOP passed trump's cut cut cut tax cut plan and trump ended regulations. trump preaches from his pulpit to his ilk saying the economy is the greatest ever and proclaims "good times". However, just as the "good times" of the swinging twenties did not foresee the looming doom of the Great Depression ahead, trump's ilk do not recognize the looming doom ahead now. The facts are trump projected GDP growth of 4% to %5 to 6%, and trump touts that it's all all thanks to his cut cut cut tax cut plan, deregulation, and his fiscal acumen. The truth is GDP is not continually growing to the heights of 4% to 5% to 6%. 2018 Q4 GDP has fallen from 2018 Q3 3.5% to 2.8% or 2.9%. In addition, trump has also managed to almost double the national debt in only his first term to $$21,971,368,000,000$$ CBO' reports the economy is likely to slow down significantly this year to 1.5% Worse, with trump's $$trillion$$ deficits, CBO warns there's a real possibility GDP will flip from 1.5% to -0.5%. Falling below zero is not anyone's idea of good times. What about personal debt?? Worst ever in history! Did you think the great depression was bad after those good times in the swinging twenties? Well, at least we still have the safety nets with Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, for now.
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Post by evaryman on Feb 10, 2019 13:27:53 GMT -6
The problem with s citizenry that has chosen debt as an option, is a reality to both big parties as well most of the rest of us. Including this administration.
The two parties, each, have shown real evidence that a great many members of each, who hold a position, are more interested in maintaining the seat, than helping our nation as a whole. They play politics.
I have said repeatedly that I did not support this President nor did I vote for him. But, I believe he has shown more interest in everyday folk like my family than any president in a very long time. I have seen economic improvement in spite of his having to fight tooth & nail to get work done! His personality & his foibles are no different than any other human, he has flaws. But being President should not be a matter decided on simply liking a certain personality. He, I believe, was chosen for his ability to recognize the situation of the working class, and his desire to improve the American economy.
Thus we finally come to the point. Without a strong economy, providing jobs for folks to earn monies to pay taxes, what you hold out as hope will not exist
“Well, at least we still have the safety nets with Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, for now. “
Those are immensely expensive programs! Without a strong American economy we won’t be able to keep them in force.
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Post by nextofkin on Feb 10, 2019 13:51:02 GMT -6
The problem with s citizenry that has chosen debt as an option, is a reality to both big parties as well most of the rest of us. Including this administration. The two parties, each, have shown real evidence that a great many members of each, who hold a position, are more interested in maintaining the seat, than helping our nation as a whole. They play politics. I have said repeatedly that I did not support this President nor did I vote for him. But, I believe he has shown more interest in everyday folk like my family than any president in a very long time. I have seen economic improvement in spite of his having to fight tooth & nail to get work done! His personality & his foibles are no different than any other human, he has flaws. But being President should not be a matter decided on simply liking a certain personality. He, I believe, was chosen for his ability to recognize the situation of the working class, and his desire to improve the American economy. Thus we finally come to the point. Without a strong economy, providing jobs for folks to earn monies to pay taxes, what you hold out as hope will not exist “Well, at least we still have the safety nets with Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, for now. “ Those are immensely expensive programs! Without a strong American economy we won’t be able to keep them in force. VERY WELL SAID!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 10, 2019 15:32:40 GMT -6
Now I know you are dumber than a box of monkeys. What was the LAST YEAR that Federal Debt didn't grow? What is the current GDP? When has CBO EVER used valid numbers for its projections? Finally, please explain how 19.84 Trillion is less than 19.485 Trillion? You and your statistics are full of crap. Actually I should not be laughing at your ignorance, I should be weeping. How can we have a reasonable discussion when you disagree with a detail you actually agree with?? Do you know if you're coming or going?? You are smoking dope. As Jimmy pointed out, you said bupkus when Obama was fleecing us, now you want to bring it to our attention, while IGNORING the points I am trying to get you to acknowledge? Just so someone who hasn't heard me scream about it before, 1957 was the LAST YEAR that Federal Debt went down, or surprisingly few American citizens ever drew a breath the last time that happened............... And your little ditty "and federal debt grows to equal 93 percent of GDP by 2029." shows that you cannot do basic MATH, as we have already exceeded 100 percent debt to GDP.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 10, 2019 15:42:39 GMT -6
In addition, trump has also managed to almost double the national debt in only his first term to $$21,971,368,000,000$$ First off, show ANYONE here the last time the GDP did anywhere near those levels, sustained. You want to bang Trump for exaggerating? Fine, but I will tell you he honestly thought he could persuade the d**n Congress to quit blowing so much money. But you are shown to be a world class LIAR with the quoted above............. On the last day Barack Obama held office, the official Public Debt was $19,947,304,555,212, or just shy of 20 Trillion. Only you and AOC can try and say Trump has managed to almost double the debt. And yea, you are that stupid to try.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 16:25:30 GMT -6
The problem with s citizenry that has chosen debt as an option, is a reality to both big parties as well most of the rest of us. Including this administration. The two parties, each, have shown real evidence that a great many members of each, who hold a position, are more interested in maintaining the seat, than helping our nation as a whole. They play politics. I have said repeatedly that I did not support this President nor did I vote for him. But, I believe he has shown more interest in everyday folk like my family than any president in a very long time. I have seen economic improvement in spite of his having to fight tooth & nail to get work done! His personality & his foibles are no different than any other human, he has flaws. But being President should not be a matter decided on simply liking a certain personality. He, I believe, was chosen for his ability to recognize the situation of the working class, and his desire to improve the American economy. Thus we finally come to the point. Without a strong economy, providing jobs for folks to earn monies to pay taxes, what you hold out as hope will not exist “Well, at least we still have the safety nets with Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, for now. “ Those are immensely expensive programs! Without a strong American economy we won’t be able to keep them in force. You're currently experiencing the continuation of an economic expansion set by the Obama administration fiscal policies, with a small push further from the GOP tax cuts. The trump-GOP tax cut's small push further has only provided instant gratification. On the other hand, those same trump fiscal policies and tax cuts will prove to slow and even stop the economic expansion. This year the US will begin to experience the cost in an economic slow down. As the CBO warns, it may get worse with a flip to negative growth. Do you understand what happens during economic downs turns?? Who will you blame then??
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