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Post by greekgod on Aug 2, 2015 18:03:25 GMT -6
If the EPA is going to step in down the road and make those not in compliance comply then the city is offering to help. People can say no and take their chances. It will cost more to them in the long run. Storm water can still be sent to the mines but not raw sewage. How many go directly to the mines, have septic but no leach field is yet to be determined. That was the same thing said the LAST time this was tried. Guess what, in a court of law, Streator got hammered, not the property owners. Gee Sniper, Why do I have to pay a charge to the City of Streator part for GB (garbage bill) and part for SW (sewer)? If past may mayors, had filed the timely forms for grants available the SW part of that bill would not be there. I do believe the deadline was when Art Dell was mayor. So, Sniper the citizens pay. Oh, and if you are not in compliance with the EPA regulations you deal with it. Septic Tank and everything else the EPA requires. Read those requirements and get back to us. What you think you know, or how you think it should be is not a factor. You sir, will be the one paying the fines and the cost of becoming compliant if you aren't. g
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Post by greekgod on Aug 2, 2015 18:27:52 GMT -6
Oh, Snipe I just googled "EPA standards for sewage disposals from homes". You wade through it and make sure you're in compliance. The burden is on you. You can argue all you want, whine all you want, gripe all you want, pay the fines and fees if not in compliance, or Go Galt. That's the way the it is. g
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 3, 2015 6:51:51 GMT -6
Oh, and if you are not in compliance with the EPA regulations you deal with it. Septic Tank and everything else the EPA requires. Read those requirements and get back to us. What you think you know, or how you think it should be is not a factor. You sir, will be the one paying the fines and the cost of becoming compliant if you aren't. g Hey LACKOFF, where have I EVER said those not in compliance should be allowed? That is the problem with suckups to the NANNY state like you cannot understand, we simply want the CITY to allow those currently in compliance with a septic tank to live as citizens, not SERFS. HarlyK JUST posted a powerful reason to fight IDIOTS like you.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 3, 2015 6:53:31 GMT -6
Oh, Snipe I just googled "EPA standards for sewage disposals from homes". You wade through it and make sure you're in compliance. The burden is on you. You can argue all you want, whine all you want, gripe all you want, pay the fines and fees if not in compliance, or Go Galt. That's the way the it is. g Yo BUBBA, I am WAY over the minimum requirements.......... I ain't stupid, I essentially doubled the requirements so later on I wouldn't have to worry about some educated idiot like you having a brain fart..............
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Post by willy on Aug 3, 2015 9:26:52 GMT -6
First of all, the City of Streator didn't have anything to do with the situation in Reading Township. For several years the IEPA had been telling that township they needed a sewer system that they would approve. The Township resisted until the hammer fell on them. Not the City. The IEPA told Reading what they were going to do with their sewage, not the City. They were told they were going to hook on to the City of Streator and we didn't have any choice in the matter either. This has been rehashed over and over on here, including the cost of what the residents of Reading were going to pay. Masked Man, why do you continue to use the word "they" when you explain the scenerio? The IEPA made the decisions about your inclusion to our sewer system, the only thing we had anything to do with was the negotiation of the fee. We didn't have anything to do with the building of your system, Reading did, we would have had them put in a deeper system than what you have. South Streator is history as far as the system goes. As far as being at the mercy of the City, eventually the surrounding areas to some extent will be once the IEPA gets involved. The SE corner of Streator and the NW part of the city will also be told they're not going to build their own sewer system and that they will in fact hook on to the Dreaded City of Streator's system. The cost of doing business with the IEPA keeps going up as we speak, the cost of treating sewage will probably be equal to Reading and yes the City would prefer those residents annex to increase revenues. Nobody is hiding anything from anybody about that issue.
The law suit involving those folks east of Otter Creek was created when the City provided data for grants that stated those residents were in fact already in the city. The information was false and the city was taken to court. Scot Wrighton was the City Manager at the time. The costs of putting in a sewer back back then would have been much cheaper than it will be when the time comes when the IEPA lowers the boom on them and the grants would have helped lower the cost. So who really won? Now folks are screaming the same way that Reading was. There will be no winner when the IEPA comes in and forces the issue. Some on here say Scot Wrighton is an idiot, but those of us that really know him won't say that. He may be the smartest person that I've been involved with over the 40+ years around this government. Some of you will say I must be running with fools and that will make for a good laugh. I'm just saying Scot was smart back then and he's gotten a lot smarter and the same thing isn't going to happen this time. I had many issues with him that involved my union, but never for a second did I not respect his intelligence. The IEPA is the biggest dog in the fight, they win.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 10:04:29 GMT -6
First of all, the City of Streator didn't have anything to do with the situation in Reading Township. For several years the IEPA had been telling that township they needed a sewer system that they would approve. The Township resisted until the hammer fell on them. Not the City. The IEPA told Reading what they were going to do with their sewage, not the City. They were told they were going to hook on to the City of Streator and we didn't have any choice in the matter either. This has been rehashed over and over on here, including the cost of what the residents of Reading were going to pay. Masked Man, why do you continue to use the word "they" when you explain the scenerio? The IEPA made the decisions about your inclusion to our sewer system, the only thing we had anything to do with was the negotiation of the fee. We didn't have anything to do with the building of your system, Reading did, we would have had them put in a deeper system than what you have. South Streator is history as far as the system goes. As far as being at the mercy of the City, eventually the surrounding areas to some extent will be once the IEPA gets involved. The SE corner of Streator and the NW part of the city will also be told they're not going to build their own sewer system and that they will in fact hook on to the Dreaded City of Streator's system. The cost of doing business with the IEPA keeps going up as we speak, the cost of treating sewage will probably be equal to Reading and yes the City would prefer those residents annex to increase revenues. Nobody is hiding anything from anybody about that issue. The law suit involving those folks east of Otter Creek was created when the City provided data for grants that stated those residents were in fact already in the city. The information was false and the city was taken to court. Scot Wrighton was the City Manager at the time. The costs of putting in a sewer back back then would have been much cheaper than it will be when the time comes when the IEPA lowers the boom on them and the grants would have helped lower the cost. So who really won? Now folks are screaming the same way that Reading was. There will be no winner when the IEPA comes in and forces the issue. Some on here say Scot Wrighton is an idiot, but those of us that really know him won't say that. He may be the smartest person that I've been involved with over the 40+ years around this government. Some of you will say I must be running with fools and that will make for a good laugh. I'm just saying Scot was smart back then and he's gotten a lot smarter and the same thing isn't going to happen this time. I had many issues with him that involved my union, but never for a second did I not respect his intelligence. The IEPA is the biggest dog in the fight, they win. i have a question willy. if scott wrighton is the smartest guy you know answer me this. why does a guy that started his career in the small town of streator come back to streator after so many years? most city managers that have a lot going on move on to bigger pay and larger towns not move to the bottom of the barrel. it seems like scott wrighton wasn't good enough the first time around and was fired by the city council. now he is brought back with the same ideas he had before. maybe your statement you run with fools is very true.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 3, 2015 10:09:27 GMT -6
Willy, are you SURE there wasn't already a grant given to sewer those folks that got spent to sewer a close by area?
REALLY SURE?
Do those folks have to come out of the woodwork yet again?
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Post by willy on Aug 3, 2015 10:42:18 GMT -6
1st to alphadog. Scot Wrighton wasn't fired by the City. He resigned on his own to take a job in Kirksville, Missouri. He was able to be a Manager and teach in a college over there in Missouri, which he wasn't allowed to do here in Streator. I'm not defending Scot, but those are the facts. He hasn't been fired anyplace that he has been. Please Google his name and you'll find out a lot about Mr. Wrighton. As far as him coming back here, he always liked Streator, always kept in touch with a few people and when the opportunity arose he came back. He likes this town, appreciates the opportunity that was given him as a young man and likes our educational base. He'll tell that same story.
Snipe, I'm not sure what grants you're referring to. Reading did get grants for their project but we had nothing to do with that. Of course the City has been getting grants with help for our sewer improvements and I'm sure glad we have. I don't know what folks have to come out of the woodwork. If you're speaking of the grants that Scot Wrighton tried to get with improper data, those grants were never given. If I'm missing something, let me know. I'm not aware of any other grants.
As far as running with fools, I think to some extent we all run with fools, nothing to be ashamed of. Without the fools in my life I wouldn't have had so many fond memories.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 3, 2015 12:26:55 GMT -6
Willy, specifically the grants that were given to sewer the area out by first street............. Where did that grant money from either the 80's or early 90's ( can't remember ) go?
It didn't get used to sewer the area it was given for.
That was a part of the lawsuit as well..............
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Post by willy on Aug 3, 2015 15:50:01 GMT -6
Again Snipe, I'm unaware of what you're talking about. First off of Otter Creek, First off of Bloomington or First street off of Main. When a sewer system was added to a un-sewered area I believe grants were always applied for and used properly. The law suit that was filed was filed on behalf of the folks east of Otter Creek. First street to the east of Otter Creek has had homes in the City for a long time, at least since the 70's because we gave them fire protection. One of them was a Martin that lived on the south side of First. The sewer line that was ran down Fulton was ran by Jerry Meredith at his cost. It was ran to allow a firefighter to annex to the city. The deal was this, he paid for the cost of running the line and repair the road. Anybody that tapped on to the line, Jerry was to get the tap-on fees. That was sort of like a handshake deal and the city got selective amnesia and Jerry never got a penny from his labor.
But like before, I can't remember any area that didn't get grant money. The law suit was on the books for over twenty years and both sides eventually dropped it before I got off the council and believe it or not, the court didn't resolve the issue. By both sides agreeing to drop it, the suit dried up and blew away.
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Post by cityslicker on Aug 3, 2015 16:06:09 GMT -6
willy, it does not take much, to amaze you. 40 years of wandering around and to say the fired -then re-hired overseas manager, impresses you, is not a credit to your intelligence. You must be amazed at watching stoplight, and even a group of left-right arrows, must overwhelm you. Clean off your dirty reading glasses and visualize, how bad economics and crime are in Crimetown.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 3, 2015 16:21:58 GMT -6
Again Snipe, I'm unaware of what you're talking about. First off of Otter Creek, First off of Bloomington or First street off of Main. When a sewer system was added to a un-sewered area I believe grants were always applied for and used properly. The law suit that was filed was filed on behalf of the folks east of Otter Creek. First street to the east of Otter Creek has had homes in the City for a long time, at least since the 70's because we gave them fire protection. One of them was a Martin that lived on the south side of First. The sewer line that was ran down Fulton was ran by Jerry Meredith at his cost. It was ran to allow a firefighter to annex to the city. The deal was this, he paid for the cost of running the line and repair the road. Anybody that tapped on to the line, Jerry was to get the tap-on fees. That was sort of like a handshake deal and the city got selective amnesia and Jerry never got a penny from his labor. But like before, I can't remember any area that didn't get grant money. The law suit was on the books for over twenty years and both sides eventually dropped it before I got off the council and believe it or not, the court didn't resolve the issue. By both sides agreeing to drop it, the suit dried up and blew away. That's the area Willy. The Meredith sewer I am aware of, and that is not what I was referring to. Unfortunately my only source of reliable information that was party to the suit is no longer able to give reliable information, so I am at a disadvantage. I do not believe the Otter creek side dropped it as much as they didn't want to continue to spend money after the city dropped it.
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Post by willy on Aug 3, 2015 17:23:35 GMT -6
Snipe, you hit the nail on the head. After more than twenty years the judge kind of got tired of this thing being up in the air and who could blame him. I honestly thought it was over long ago. It was foolish for both sides to take it further. Jerry took one of the worst hosings I've ever seen. At that time I think it cost him a ton of money and the only person that ever had to pay was the firefighter.
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