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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 12, 2014 11:23:51 GMT -6
I agree that the Majestic was not much of a draw despite its grandeur and a professional like Mr. Endres believing that it should be. Doesn't that tell you that there are indeed other problems here keeping it and other businesses from being successful? It is a shame that the lack of solutions for these problems and the suppression of discussion of solutions creates a situation where the only two choices are to either be quiet and allow the incidents to just continue as they have for years and years or to broadcast the negativity and still have nothing done to correct it. Being quiet and not doing anything about the problems had been going on for a long time and obviously was hurting business and not getting any better. I chose what I see as the better of the two evils and since it didn't produce any positive results, perhaps you are right that it also has hurt business. However, it is too late to just give up now, in my opinion. We will have to wait and see if it does end up helping in the long term. I still believe that there are a lot of good people in Streator who do not like having their community known as a place where people are routinely over-served and allowed to fight and urinate in the streets. I believe that those people will send a message to our City leaders at election time that they are not proud that these incidents are allowed to continue and want things to start being done differently. Time will tell. Why don't you take your senseless, constantly repeated, know nothing thoughts over to that kyles blog thread? You take up too much space to say the same tired shhhiiit over and over again. Keep it confined to that thread. Are you thinking that you are the internet police now and can tell me where I can and can't post? Do you just share our Mayor's contempt for the First Amendment and not want me to talk about what is wrong here? Obviously from the results that we see, there is something wrong. The problems that I talk about are part of the discussion that you started. You seem to just blame the people of Streator for not supporting local business, but as I have been saying, people not wanting to be around the excessive bar violence is part of the reason that businesses have a hard time surviving here. Unless of course you think that people want to bring their young kids to be entertained by a drunken street brawl instead of coming to see something like The Lego Movie. Maybe if you had tried to operate a family business like the Majestic next to a bar where people are served even when they are already overly intoxicated and anything that happens as a result is allowed to go on, you would see things a little differently. What business do you own downtown that makes you seem so convinced that the problems that I talk about do not hurt business here? Weren't you recently sticking up for Tim. I think he may be looking for someone new to partner up with to get the place open again. Why don't you show us how to work as a team and make the place awesome. The two of you could sing along together, "Everything is awesome, everything is cool when you are part of a team".
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 12, 2014 11:35:56 GMT -6
I never said that everyone were afraid to come here, but do you deny that Streator does have a rough reputation that does keep some people away? I think it is actually many people and a lot of money that these activities keep away. Can you honestly say that you have never heard anyone say that they wouldn't come to Streator because of our rough reputation? I could post some recent comments from others on the Times website and facebook page of people saying that they will not come here because of the problems that I talk about. A local reporter wrote that his buddies at college asked if he carried a weapon when they found out that he was from Streator. Do you not seriously have to wonder how big the masses could be for those great events if we were to actually clean up Streator and its image? How many more businesses, residents, etc. could we have if we weren't known as the community where drunken street brawls are allowed? Having lived elsewhere, and travel for my job, I'm consistently in other towns at all hours. I don't live in a bubble. I agree. streator does have a long standing reputation, dating back from the days of the mines, the days of Capone stories, from when bars were hopping at 7am with all the factory workers streaming in. When certain guys had such reputations for beating another just for looking at them wrong, and could silence a bar when they walked in. But, having been to some places that scared the crap out of me, I wonder why it is that streator continues to carry that reputation, while these other places don't. It's people like you, Kyle. And the paper. Ottawa is no safe haven. There's crap that goes on there that would definitely cause issues if it was ever reported. Theres also the macho guys, that like to tout the little chicago tag like a medal. I bet those college guys in your example had never even been to streator, either! I don't think the reputation will change, even if the cops arrested every bar patron that looked crosseyed at another. Did you miss the article that was published in the paper about the excessive bar violence that went on just last year? Even though it only reported two incidents for the bar that I have video and photos of four incidents at, the article still had over four times as many incidents here as Ottawa. If you were able to show that Ottawa had more incidents than what was reported, do you think that would prove that the excessive number of incidents here are acceptable? Why are you so interested in having these problems not be corrected, do you think that they are good for business here? How will we know if the reputation will ever change, when the excessive bar violence is allowed to go on to keep substantiating and perpetuating it?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 12, 2014 12:20:02 GMT -6
Kyle, you are obsessed with the topics and we are all weary of hearing you talk about it CONSTANTLY. You even tried to make it part of the topic of the 'Who Am I' thread with the Mushro building. It just gets very tiresome. You may have some valid points. You may have even have more credibility since Tim is really looking like a jerk down at the Majestic. Maybe he really did take advantage of you. Sorry if we didn't heed your words more, but you complain constantly and play the victim so much it just comes out as white noise, static, Charlie Brown's teacher, Blah Blah Blah. Sometimes less is more, you know what I mean? A whisper can have greater affect than constant yelling. A dramatic pause instead of a constant Auctioneer's prattle. YES....you can talk as much and where you want...... Just because you CAN do something doesn't always mean you SHOULD. Just my 2 cents..... It is part of the topic of this thread in my opinion. oldtimer can blame the residents of Streator if he wants to, but I believe there are other factors. Factors that asking our City leaders to start enforcing our current laws should have taken care of long ago. Because our City leaders just ignore requests of business owners, a whisper will do absolutely no good. This is what we end up with. Didn't you find a cool new feature on this site that keeps you from having to hear what I talk about?
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Post by oldtimer on Sept 12, 2014 15:26:24 GMT -6
Kyle, you are obsessed with the topics and we are all weary of hearing you talk about it CONSTANTLY. You even tried to make it part of the topic of the 'Who Am I' thread with the Mushro building. It just gets very tiresome. You may have some valid points. You may have even have more credibility since Tim is really looking like a jerk down at the Majestic. Maybe he really did take advantage of you. Sorry if we didn't heed your words more, but you complain constantly and play the victim so much it just comes out as white noise, static, Charlie Brown's teacher, Blah Blah Blah. Sometimes less is more, you know what I mean? A whisper can have greater affect than constant yelling. A dramatic pause instead of a constant Auctioneer's prattle. YES....you can talk as much and where you want...... Just because you CAN do something doesn't always mean you SHOULD. Just my 2 cents..... It is part of the topic of this thread in my opinion. oldtimer can blame the residents of Streator if he wants to, but I believe there are other factors. Factors that asking our City leaders to start enforcing our current laws should have taken care of long ago. Because our City leaders just ignore requests of business owners, a whisper will do absolutely no good. This is what we end up with. Didn't you find a cool new feature on this site that keeps you from having to hear what I talk about? Hey majestic, tell us why tomasellos closed again.
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Post by toshiko on Sept 12, 2014 15:31:13 GMT -6
Oh gosh, I miss Tomasellos.
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Post by dragonfly on Sept 12, 2014 16:35:03 GMT -6
With the direction this town is headed, unless the business accepts link cards, or sells pajama bottoms.....they are not going to be very profitable.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 12, 2014 17:46:42 GMT -6
Oldtimer brings up an interesting point that many of the buildings near Kyle were affected. Perhaps Kyle's theory about widespread corruption, selective enforcement, overserving, public urination and fighting is flawed. Perhaps we should use the Scientific Theory. Observation: Buildings and businesses close to Flips are closed for business.(unless they serve alcohol) Supporting evidence: Majestic: recently closed Scoops: closed most of this season aside from Cruise night Flips: recently mostly closed Other buildings Kyle cited close to him: Long vacant Theory: A condition exists in close proximity to Flips that effects businesses unless they serve alcohol. If the business serves alcohol, they seem impervious to this effect. Examples: Carbos, VFW Conclusion: It is NOT the City Fathers or any of Kyle's many complaints, but rather a 'Flips Vortex' that dooms any business in close proximity to this building. There needs to be more bars open all around this building since they are impervious to it's affects. This will be beneficial to the tax roles, will find a use for the buildings and insulate more businesses from succumbing to the 'Flips Vortex'. Yes, there is a condition that exists in close proximity to Flips that has a negative effect on businesses, it is Carbo's over-serving. We read about how bad it is in the newspaper earlier this year. of course it doesn't affect the bars because the over-serving and violence is what those patrons come here for. Do you really think that a resale shop could possibly keep people away like the excessive bar violence highlighted in the newspaper earlier this year? I am convinced that the uncontrolled street brawls and public exposure kept many people from supporting the Majestic.
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Post by father of two on Sept 12, 2014 18:40:57 GMT -6
I am convinced that being able to watch movies through Netflix, red box, ppv, family video, plus the cost of admission and treats has more to do with the lack of success to the movie theater. People are lazy these days. A drive up window and quick service is what people want these days. With the amount of people just getting by financially, going to the movies is something to cut out of the budget. For a family of 4 to go to the movies it would cost about $40-50. You can rent a movie or two for $5 and stay home and have treats for about $10. Big savings. The cost determines where I spend my money not where it is located. I used to go to the Chicago Stadium in the old days when you had to drive through some bad areas to get there and park close. It didn't scare 18,000 people nightly up there and I don't believe it scares that many here.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Sept 12, 2014 20:10:18 GMT -6
On the other hand, if more people had REAL jobs, paying REAL wages, they might just be able to support local businesses........
Unfortunately, real jobs aren't coming back until we get this state straightened out, and that assumes the Fed. doesn't throw up a bunch more roadblocks.......
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Post by ~MnM~ on Sept 12, 2014 21:38:36 GMT -6
Oldtimer brings up an interesting point that many of the buildings near Kyle were affected. Perhaps Kyle's theory about widespread corruption, selective enforcement, overserving, public urination and fighting is flawed. Perhaps we should use the Scientific Theory. Observation: Buildings and businesses close to Flips are closed for business.(unless they serve alcohol) Supporting evidence: Majestic: recently closed Scoops: closed most of this season aside from Cruise night Flips: recently mostly closed Other buildings Kyle cited close to him: Long vacant Theory: A condition exists in close proximity to Flips that effects businesses unless they serve alcohol. If the business serves alcohol, they seem impervious to this effect. Examples: Carbos, VFW Conclusion: It is NOT the City Fathers or any of Kyle's many complaints, but rather a 'Flips Vortex' that dooms any business in close proximity to this building. There needs to be more bars open all around this building since they are impervious to it's affects. This will be beneficial to the tax roles, will find a use for the buildings and insulate more businesses from succumbing to the 'Flips Vortex'. Yes, there is a condition that exists in close proximity to Flips that has a negative effect on businesses, it is Carbo's over-serving. We read about how bad it is in the newspaper earlier this year. of course it doesn't affect the bars because the over-serving and violence is what those patrons come here for. Do you really think that a resale shop could possibly keep people away like the excessive bar violence highlighted in the newspaper earlier this year? I am convinced that the uncontrolled street brawls and public exposure kept many people from supporting the Majestic. BD...I totally agree with you here! A VORTEX, is right. KYLE..seriously did you think that by owning a downtown building then made you and your family privy to the fact that you located your whole family downtown, and then therefore because of have it all your way, or you'd be retaliating with youtube videos of your neighbors? Seriously did you think that the City, or SPD would be accommodating exclusively to you, because of ? The downtown during the daytime compared to the night takes on a different persona, and at that time your business isn't opened. Just because your family lives downtown really doesn't give you the right to be so outraged as to the goings on in other businesses that are opened. The City knows as well as the SPD of course what the bars in this town yield...but they are here, and will always be here too. The SPD is here to keep the peace, in which at night............. God help them, but you slam them into saying they don't know how to DO their jobs because it effects your family and business ...leave that to them !! My parents owned and operated a large building downtown as well for many years, with many things that happened over the years TO that downtown building during their closed hours, did they complain tho as you do...NO........... because it was downtown, and yes expected then. Did they over-react such as you...NO of course not. Were the police doing their jobs in "protecting", of course they were...as much as could be. My father was a professional photographer...could he have "caught" on film anyone damaging their building, of course he could have...did he, WHY? The price you pay for owning any downtown building...you're subjected to everything. Have you been broken into KYLE, or have you had any vandalism...now THOSE are the things you should be worried about..and NOT what your bar neighbor is doing, really. Or the goings on around the area, as long as your building is ok, really. I really thought that when you came to town and wanted to get involved in this town was a good thing, and you were new blood with a great outlook. But now I think that you've pretty much burned your own bridges so to speak because you turned out to be a incessant complainer because things aren't picture perfect as you'd like, and never will be either. Sad really...to see your building / store closed up .... and with the video cameras in clear sight, and all the PUBLIC notices you all have posted in the windows............................ NONE of which is good PR...for your business / your son's...OR this town's. I'm sorry it's come to this, and you resorting to all of this........................... I wish you and your family well. Let us all know when you do in fact find "Neverland"...and if you do. M
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Post by chevypower on Sept 12, 2014 22:16:13 GMT -6
Well said MnM.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 13, 2014 6:57:00 GMT -6
I am convinced that being able to watch movies through Netflix, red box, ppv, family video, plus the cost of admission and treats has more to do with the lack of success to the movie theater. People are lazy these days. A drive up window and quick service is what people want these days. With the amount of people just getting by financially, going to the movies is something to cut out of the budget. For a family of 4 to go to the movies it would cost about $40-50. You can rent a movie or two for $5 and stay home and have treats for about $10. Big savings. The cost determines where I spend my money not where it is located. I used to go to the Chicago Stadium in the old days when you had to drive through some bad areas to get there and park close. It didn't scare 18,000 people nightly up there and I don't believe it scares that many here. Before televisions were in every home, people used to go out to the movies more too. The industry has dealt with in home entertainment competition for a long time and theatres still survive in other markets. Obviously the exclusive entertainment provided at Chicago Stadium is a huge stretch from product available in a choice of other nearby communities.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 13, 2014 7:07:33 GMT -6
Yes, there is a condition that exists in close proximity to Flips that has a negative effect on businesses, it is Carbo's over-serving. We read about how bad it is in the newspaper earlier this year. of course it doesn't affect the bars because the over-serving and violence is what those patrons come here for. Do you really think that a resale shop could possibly keep people away like the excessive bar violence highlighted in the newspaper earlier this year? I am convinced that the uncontrolled street brawls and public exposure kept many people from supporting the Majestic. BD...I totally agree with you here! A VORTEX, is right. KYLE..seriously did you think that by owning a downtown building then made you and your family privy to the fact that you located your whole family downtown, and then therefore because of have it all your way, or you'd be retaliating with youtube videos of your neighbors? Seriously did you think that the City, or SPD would be accommodating exclusively to you, because of ? The downtown during the daytime compared to the night takes on a different persona, and at that time your business isn't opened. Just because your family lives downtown really doesn't give you the right to be so outraged as to the goings on in other businesses that are opened. The City knows as well as the SPD of course what the bars in this town yield...but they are here, and will always be here too. The SPD is here to keep the peace, in which at night............. God help them, but you slam them into saying they don't know how to DO their jobs because it effects your family and business ...leave that to them !! My parents owned and operated a large building downtown as well for many years, with many things that happened over the years TO that downtown building during their closed hours, did they complain tho as you do...NO........... because it was downtown, and yes expected then. Did they over-react such as you...NO of course not. Were the police doing their jobs in "protecting", of course they were...as much as could be. My father was a professional photographer...could he have "caught" on film anyone damaging their building, of course he could have...did he, WHY? The price you pay for owning any downtown building...you're subjected to everything. Have you been broken into KYLE, or have you had any vandalism...now THOSE are the things you should be worried about..and NOT what your bar neighbor is doing, really. Or the goings on around the area, as long as your building is ok, really. I really thought that when you came to town and wanted to get involved in this town was a good thing, and you were new blood with a great outlook. But now I think that you've pretty much burned your own bridges so to speak because you turned out to be a incessant complainer because things aren't picture perfect as you'd like, and never will be either. Sad really...to see your building / store closed up .... and with the video cameras in clear sight, and all the PUBLIC notices you all have posted in the windows............................ NONE of which is good PR...for your business / your son's...OR this town's. I'm sorry it's come to this, and you resorting to all of this........................... I wish you and your family well. Let us all know when you do in fact find "Neverland"...and if you do. M That attitude that we just have to accept whatever happens around the coveted bars here is the same type of attitude that I have gotten from our city too. I strongly believe that attitude is why Streator's reputation persists so strongly and we have so little business here, including the Majestic not being able to survive. Didn't people like your father, Tim and many others just end up giving up on trying to make downtown buildings work as businesses, because of a lack of patrons? I don't see how some people can try to deny that the rough reputation that the bar activities keep supporting has something to do with it. Accepting that this is the way that our downtown will always have to be because the bars are more important than other businesses, just isn't an option for me.
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Post by ~MnM~ on Sept 14, 2014 22:52:14 GMT -6
BD...I totally agree with you here! A VORTEX, is right. KYLE..seriously did you think that by owning a downtown building then made you and your family privy to the fact that you located your whole family downtown, and then therefore because of have it all your way, or you'd be retaliating with youtube videos of your neighbors? Seriously did you think that the City, or SPD would be accommodating exclusively to you, because of ? The downtown during the daytime compared to the night takes on a different persona, and at that time your business isn't opened. Just because your family lives downtown really doesn't give you the right to be so outraged as to the goings on in other businesses that are opened. The City knows as well as the SPD of course what the bars in this town yield...but they are here, and will always be here too. The SPD is here to keep the peace, in which at night............. God help them, but you slam them into saying they don't know how to DO their jobs because it effects your family and business ...leave that to them !! My parents owned and operated a large building downtown as well for many years, with many things that happened over the years TO that downtown building during their closed hours, did they complain tho as you do...NO........... because it was downtown, and yes expected then. Did they over-react such as you...NO of course not. Were the police doing their jobs in "protecting", of course they were...as much as could be. My father was a professional photographer...could he have "caught" on film anyone damaging their building, of course he could have...did he, WHY? The price you pay for owning any downtown building...you're subjected to everything. Have you been broken into KYLE, or have you had any vandalism...now THOSE are the things you should be worried about..and NOT what your bar neighbor is doing, really. Or the goings on around the area, as long as your building is ok, really. I really thought that when you came to town and wanted to get involved in this town was a good thing, and you were new blood with a great outlook. But now I think that you've pretty much burned your own bridges so to speak because you turned out to be a incessant complainer because things aren't picture perfect as you'd like, and never will be either. Sad really...to see your building / store closed up .... and with the video cameras in clear sight, and all the PUBLIC notices you all have posted in the windows............................ NONE of which is good PR...for your business / your son's...OR this town's. I'm sorry it's come to this, and you resorting to all of this........................... I wish you and your family well. Let us all know when you do in fact find "Neverland"...and if you do. M That attitude that we just have to accept whatever happens around the coveted bars here is the same type of attitude that I have gotten from our city too. I strongly believe that attitude is why Streator's reputation persists so strongly and we have so little business here, including the Majestic not being able to survive. Didn't people like your father, Tim and many others just end up giving up on trying to make downtown buildings work as businesses, because of a lack of patrons? I don't see how some people can try to deny that the rough reputation that the bar activities keep supporting has something to do with it. Accepting that this is the way that our downtown will always have to be because the bars are more important than other businesses, just isn't an option for me. It's not attitude here KYLE...it's reality. I have always had to and / or tired to have a positive attitude. In which I held that positive attitude for you, and your family for taking on a huge vacant building and making something out of it. Not to mention also that you wanted to get more involved in positive things for this town. When you post and incessantly go on an on about the bar fights..you're then the one with the attitude problem! I am not at all sticking up for any of the "coveted" bars as you proclaim here having more power or pull with the City. SPD... or with anyone. I get that perhaps you might have seen instances that have happened uptown near your building, or at Carbo's across the street...in which you just became outraged though about regarding. Do you think THAT kind of episode happens up there every night though, because you carry on so as if it does?? OF course they're going to experience problems ...but ON occasion. You act as if it's every given night , in which that is NOT true, not at all, and you know that! My husband and I were uptown tonight at Calis. When I went outside it was almost surreal as to how quiet the town really was. Granted we were a block from your building..so we don't know what havoc Carbo's was having, which NONE I can assume tho too. There were random cars parked up and down the block...but the owner of Calis told me that they are cars belonging to most likely the people who live in the upstairs apartments, which I can believe that. I looked up and down Main Street thinking of just WHAT large buildings are really up there now that are now vacant...including yours, pretty much, correct? So including yours now, the bank, Tyjaxs building which I was told tonight that he's left town, and the bank now owns that one too. The old Penney's building, Hart's Card's / Ritchie ? Furniture building....the old Fire Station, BIG buildings that don't have occupancy in the front of is what I'm referring to here. Many of these buildings have small stores in the fronts of and upstairs apartments, right ? But so many of the larger buildings are really now long gone. You mention my parents building...for example, and yes you are right... That building was huge..they'd made their living with that building and did utilize the upstairs too as well for Norris Hall but times changed ALONG time ago, not just within the time frame that you think did here downtown, c'mon do you seriously believe that, or believe that anywhere in ANY smalltown USA?? You could not have been that naive for one moment to believe this our town of Streator to actually be any different, did you? And NO the taverns have nothing at ALL to do with what is happening downtown...you need to wake up and realize that. YOU are the only one that I have seen making any issue or copping an attitude about here KYLE! Soooooooooooo what are your plans on your building here now too, now that you've all moved to another state, Kentucky, just wondering? Didn't you ever have in a sense a brotherhood with the other downtown merchants, and SACCI...that if you did in fact have problems with your downtown neighbors, that you were a man and went directly to them to discuss the issues? Seee.............. now that would have been the right thing to do, and to not be slamming anyone posting youtube videos expressing your disgust. I do totally believe in standing up for what you think is right, and of course are entitled to your own opinion of...but sometimes if not most there has to be compromises made in order to have a peaceful existence. It's always been give and take....and I HATE here to see you so upset and in your words disgusted with Streator attitude. AGAIN .............when you came to our town and I first met you I thought you and your family would prove to be a great asset to us all with your involvement in the community. And it does sadden me to think that you've now formed this opinion of us all. M
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Post by davesez on Sept 15, 2014 5:49:13 GMT -6
I have to laugh about the conversations. M+M you are right. What really gets me are the ones that say things about retiree's . Just in case you don't know you will be one . One of those days you will be one lol
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