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Post by Anonymous on Sept 12, 2014 13:36:03 GMT -6
Which struggling business owners downtown have they been giving a hard time? Please be specific. I can only think of one. I'll assume that the one you are thinking of is Flips, since I have talked about several City related reasons that my son looked for someplace else to go. Here are some others: Tomasello's - Their owners were declared illegal residents when they weren't and closed their doors shortly after the declaration. Streator National Bank - They were forced to spend a lot of money to considerably devalue their property and further limit the uses for their building with no use, because someone in our City just does not like signs. 317 E. Main Street - The owner has been trying to find a use for his building for many years. After going to the City to obtain the requirement for a possible use, our Mayor made him wait months and then gave a requirement that does not even follow our laws. Years later, he still has no use for his building. The Majestic - Clearly it was struggling. After not speaking to Katie for years, when I told her that the City does not like me, she offered up that her biggest problem with the City is the street fights. The City's not taking care of these problems was obviously creating a hard time for her. I do have other examples too if you like. I specifically recall Lucky1 telling you on here WHY Tomasello's closed. It didn't have anything to do with the city. Please provide more examples because the majority you listed YOU are involved with.
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Post by willy on Sept 12, 2014 14:35:46 GMT -6
You are losing your mind. I've known Joe Tomasello since he was a little kid. His entire family in fact. Including his mom and dad. Once again, I, nor any member of the city council called you an illegal resident. Toni Pettit made us aware of people living in a building on main street and it was deplorable. We had to address a problem and we did. You'd rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. Joe and his wife had lived above his store for years and wanted to retire and live where it is warm so they could golf all year. He never had any problems with the city, ever.
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Post by oldtimer on Sept 12, 2014 15:20:39 GMT -6
Which struggling business owners downtown have they been giving a hard time? Please be specific. I can only think of one. I'll assume that the one you are thinking of is Flips, since I have talked about several City related reasons that my son looked for someplace else to go. Here are some others: Tomasello's - Their owners were declared illegal residents when they weren't and closed their doors shortly after the declaration. Majestic, The tomasello thought shows you are either a liar or really stupid. I think its both after that one. People who even think you have a little knowledge need to remember this tomasello thought. It says it all about you.
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Post by oldtimer on Sept 12, 2014 15:24:00 GMT -6
You are losing your mind. I've known Joe Tomasello since he was a little kid. His entire family in fact. Including his mom and dad. Once again, I, nor any member of the city council called you an illegal resident. Toni Pettit made us aware of people living in a building on main street and it was deplorable. We had to address a problem and we did. You'd rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. Joe and his wife had lived above his store for years and wanted to retire and live where it is warm so they could golf all year. He never had any problems with the city, ever. Willy, you're exactly right. They retired. This majestic just makes stuff up. He's a joke and he wonders why he gets no respect.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 12, 2014 17:04:56 GMT -6
I'll assume that the one you are thinking of is Flips, since I have talked about several City related reasons that my son looked for someplace else to go. Here are some others: Tomasello's - Their owners were declared illegal residents when they weren't and closed their doors shortly after the declaration. Streator National Bank - They were forced to spend a lot of money to considerably devalue their property and further limit the uses for their building with no use, because someone in our City just does not like signs. 317 E. Main Street - The owner has been trying to find a use for his building for many years. After going to the City to obtain the requirement for a possible use, our Mayor made him wait months and then gave a requirement that does not even follow our laws. Years later, he still has no use for his building. The Majestic - Clearly it was struggling. After not speaking to Katie for years, when I told her that the City does not like me, she offered up that her biggest problem with the City is the street fights. The City's not taking care of these problems was obviously creating a hard time for her. I do have other examples too if you like. I specifically recall Lucky1 telling you on here WHY Tomasello's closed. It didn't have anything to do with the city. Please provide more examples because the majority you listed YOU are involved with. I didn't say that being declared illegal was the reason that Tomasello's closed. They lived in CBD and were declared illegal, I consider that attack on their credibility as being given a hard time by our City. I am not involved with the Murray Building, Tomasello's or Katie's business at the Majestic, how do you figure a majority? If you want more examples though, think of the businesses who go ahead and break our laws by displaying some merchandise outside to try to let people know they are open or participate in a sidewalk sale. Some are ticketed, some are threatened with ticketing, others just do it. I consider having to break the law to be able to do what you think is best for your business, being given a herd time. How about the other businesses that have to deal with the negative effects of the over-serving and the reputation that it keeps alive keeping people and their money away? I view that as being given a hard time, since it is a matter of our laws just not being enforced. How about the owners who are not allowed to have the signage that they feel is appropriate for their business? Why are they given such a hard time? There are a lot of examples of our City giving the struggling business community in Streator a hard time, in my opinion.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 12, 2014 17:21:06 GMT -6
You are losing your mind. I've known Joe Tomasello since he was a little kid. His entire family in fact. Including his mom and dad. Once again, I, nor any member of the city council called you an illegal resident. Toni Pettit made us aware of people living in a building on main street and it was deplorable. We had to address a problem and we did. You'd rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. Joe and his wife had lived above his store for years and wanted to retire and live where it is warm so they could golf all year. He never had any problems with the city, ever. Are you trying to make it sound like I made up the entire illegal resident declaration issue? Did Derek at the Times just happen to make up the same thing to report about too, of do you agree that business owners were declared illegal? I remember that meeting well. It was the City Manager who named the two buildings that had Special Use Permits for residency, the Tyjax and Thedor buildings, and stated that all the other residents in CBD were illegal. It was Councilman Hart who confirmed it with him, as he glared at me. I remember it well. You were the one who did stand up somewhat for second floor residents, saying that you read about it somewhere, but couldn't remember where. If the public were allowed to talk on these subjects, I could have told you that it was in the Comprehensive Plan, because my reading the recommendation there was what made me think that I should buy my building to live in, as opposed to a house. Were you part of the Council that adopted that 2008 Comprehensive Plan? How could a City adopt a plan like that recommending that people do something that is illegal? Isn't that very irresponsible governing? I then presented my case that I was not illegal because I qualified under two different parts of the Accessory Use clause of that same ordinance. The City Manager said that he would look into it. Isn't reading the law after doing damage to business owners also very irresponsible? I asked the City to publicly acknowledge that my family was not illegal, but my requests were just ignored. So what if Toni was the one who brought a "deplorable" condition to the City's attention? You have posted her name as being responsible a number of times. Was she running our City? Does her bringing up a problem she saw somehow in your mind make her more responsible for our City Manager's declaration against all residents (other than the two specifically named) than anyone actually running our City? Our Mayor and Council is who I hire, that is who I hold responsible for what our City does and what our City is.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 12, 2014 17:36:01 GMT -6
I'll assume that the one you are thinking of is Flips, since I have talked about several City related reasons that my son looked for someplace else to go. Here are some others: Tomasello's - Their owners were declared illegal residents when they weren't and closed their doors shortly after the declaration. Majestic, The tomasello thought shows you are either a liar or really stupid. I think its both after that one. People who even think you have a little knowledge need to remember this tomasello thought. It says it all about you. Do you think so? What am I lying about? Did they not live in CBD in a building other than the Tyjax or Thedor buildings? If so, they were declared illegal. I was at the Council meeting to hear it. I was told that they lived there before the ordinance requiring a Special Use Permit for it and so were grandfathered in. When did they close? I believe it was shortly after they were publicly declared illegal. If I am wrong, please show me how and I'll be glad to admit that I am wrong. Out of all the things that I talk about, that is the biggest thing that you can come up with that I might not be right about. Wow.
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Post by willy on Sept 12, 2014 18:30:22 GMT -6
Like I said. You're losing it. Just because I mentioned that Toni brought it to our attention, in no way am I blaming her for doing anything wrong. I'm glad she did. You came to council meetings to create a following for yourself. Nothing meaningful ever came out of your mouth. Why do you suppose so many people have no use for you, and you had to suck your family into your problems. You really need help.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 13, 2014 8:11:44 GMT -6
Like I said. You're losing it. Just because I mentioned that Toni brought it to our attention, in no way am I blaming her for doing anything wrong. I'm glad she did. Well, I am glad that you are not blaming her for the irresponsible governing of our City. Recommending in a City adopted Comprehensive Plan that citizens do something illegal, without mentioning that it is illegal unless they have a Special Use Permit is irresponsible governing in my opinion. When a problem is presented, for the City to not first read our laws to determine who is in compliance before declaring business owners illegal is irresponsible governing in my opinion. Making a public declaration that business owners are illegal without first presenting them with the charges and giving them a chance to defend themselves is also irresponsible governing in my opinion. I certainly would hope that you are not blaming citizens for the City's irresponsible governing. That would remind me of our Mayor blaming business owners for the perception of the City's uninviting attitude towards business, which I also think is wrong. You came to council meetings to create a following for yourself. You call me a liar and then claim to know why I attend meetings? You are completely wrong. You may think I am losing it, but obviously you have already completely lost it. Nothing meaningful ever came out of your mouth. Yes, I always thought that when I would come tell you and our Mayor that people exposing themselves and brawling in the streets was hurting business, that it was meaningless to you and our other City leaders. Do you really think people would want to subject their families to that to spend their money in our downtown. I am not surprised that you would think our Mayor giving his opinion that cleaning up Streator and its image should not be politicized as the reason for use of City Park being denied is so much more meaningful than my trying to improve our community. Why do you suppose so many people have no use for you, and you had to suck your family into your problems. What are you talking about? I am surrounded by people who have plenty of use for me. How nice that you want to talk about my family, will that make you feel better about the irresponsible governing from our City leaders? My family also worked hard to try to do good here. They saw the negative impacts on business created by the over-serving and people brawling and exposing themselves in the street. They totally support what I talk about.
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Post by cmon on Sept 13, 2014 13:57:01 GMT -6
And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 14, 2014 11:50:30 GMT -6
I bet those college guys in your example had never even been to streator, either! You are probably right. If they had, they probably would have commented instead about our unique movie palace, how many good caring people there are here, or one of the other great things about our community. Wouldn't you agree that the reason they thought that Derek would carry a weapon was for self-defense? Unless it is for something that is very important to you, do you generally go places where you have been told that you should be prepared to defend yourself? Would you take your children to that place for something like a movie that you could watch in another nearby community where you haven't been told that you should carry a weapon and be prepared to defend yourself? The reputation that the on-going bar violence highlighted in the newspaper earlier this year substantiates and perpetuates, keeps many people and their money away from Streator keeping us from having thriving businesses like a movie palace.
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Post by father of two on Sept 14, 2014 14:38:26 GMT -6
And so do non stop posts that continue to bring it up. We all know its not good but does the rest of the world need to know it too?
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Post by helencrump on Sept 14, 2014 21:22:47 GMT -6
Approximately 15 years ago, I was working with a group of nurses that were hell bent on getting me to move out of streator because they had heard it was dangerous and were concerned for my girls safety. I laughed at them, and explained that in all the years I lived and worked in streator, I had never met anyone who wore an ankle bracelet or wasrequired to do monthly drug testing, or didn't have a driver's license anymore. I didn't know anyone who was married to someone serving time, or anyone who went with that person, and met THEIR husband at a prison visit, and then married them, while still in prison. I had never worked with anyone who's son just got out of prison for rape. And visited his mom at lunch time. Those were all people who were employed by our company at the time. I told them I
felt safer the farther I got away from there each day, and closer to home.
I've said this before, and I wholeheartedly believe it. I think Kyle started with a vendeta against the owner of the majestic, and because this town and SO had warmly welcomed him, he thought he'd have 100% support in whatever he did next. Because he's met opposition, I believe he wants to see the town crumble. He can deny, deny, deny till he's blue in the face, but ACTIONS speak for themselves. While most here PROMOTE streators good giving side, Kyle continually focuses on whatever downside he can dig up. And none of his negative issues are nothing that cant be found in every other small town in the country.
Are you all going to let him continue his constant bashing that hurts all of us in the town we live?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 15, 2014 7:16:03 GMT -6
And so do non stop posts that continue to bring it up. We all know its not good but does the rest of the world need to know it too? I doubt that the entire rest of the world is reading SO. There are many people in surrounding areas who have already known of Streator's reputation long before I began talking so publicly about it. I don't want the entire rest of the world to know about the problems that I see, but enough voters to help create change here. I hope that people get registered, informed and to the polls on April 7th.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 15, 2014 7:18:20 GMT -6
I've said this before, and I wholeheartedly believe it. I think Kyle started with a vendeta against the owner of the majestic, and because this town and SO had warmly welcomed him, he thought he'd have 100% support in whatever he did next. Because he's met opposition, I believe he wants to see the town crumble. He can deny, deny, deny till he's blue in the face, but ACTIONS speak for themselves. While most here PROMOTE streators good giving side, Kyle continually focuses on whatever downside he can dig up. And none of his negative issues are nothing that cant be found in every other small town in the country. Are you all going to let him continue his constant bashing that hurts all of us in the town we live? Well you can certainly think that I am trying to make the town crumble if you like, but I am only pointing out the problems that I see to try to get them changed. There are other people who are also pointing out problems in our community, with awareness forums, billboards, etc. Do you think they are wanting to see our town crumble too or just trying to make people aware of problems to try to get them changed? I don't care if these problems are in other communities or not, allowing them to continue here is bad for ours. I do not want to see any of these problems continue to hurt our community. We need change. I applaud those who discuss the problems they see in hopes of getting the change they want
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