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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2014 7:05:47 GMT -6
This thread started as the SO Cesspool thread, in response to what I felt were some rude attacks on Jude. It has evolved to be my blog, where I will post my opinions of how our City does people and why we need new leaders. I will continue to comment regardless of whether greek has the balls to respond or not. April 2015 update - Now that the election is over I thought maybe I would try to talk more about positive changes. I hope there will be plenty of them coming.I was talking about the SO cesspool, and guess who shows up? I just think it's funny that someone says something to her and she doesn't like it so she goes right to name calling and saying she is deleting her account. She has deleted her account about 5 times now. Again, I'm sure she is nice. Just have to learn how to deal with people. Remember when there were two threads for people to post their opinions of my building, but he felt the need to start another to hurl names and insults? When he claimed that business owners would issue death threats, was that his way of showing his expertise in dealing with people? When I started asking questions about death threats and another downtown building, he just disappeared from the threads. Since he won't even stand behind what he says, he might as well have deleted his account too. Action can not be taken if it wasn't previously discussed at a meeting. Do you still stand behind this statement? Since he wouldn't even answer, I'll just accept that statement as another of his on-going contributions to the cesspool. Since they and some others don't stand behind what they say, it is nothing but crap. The attacks and unsupported claims that make up their cesspool should be stood up to and are part of why I talk about the same things so many times.
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Post by seaturtle43 in hostile forum on Mar 8, 2014 8:24:57 GMT -6
Just say'n
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Post by job on Mar 8, 2014 8:45:52 GMT -6
Lyle is just a voice crying in the wilderness.
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Post by cmon on Mar 8, 2014 8:46:43 GMT -6
Too funny.
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Post by job on Mar 8, 2014 8:54:59 GMT -6
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” ― Joseph Goebbels
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2014 9:58:22 GMT -6
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” ― Joseph Goebbels That is exactly the philosophy I have been following with my complaints about our City leaders, I don't consider my expectations that they follow our laws to be propaganda though. If you want to talk about all the ways that they haven't followed our laws, I'd be happy to beat that horse some more now, but this thread was about people spewing crap on here and then not standing behind what they say. BTW, I still stand behind being proud of my business ventures, such as turning the Majestic from a long time boarded up vacant building into a first run movie palace, despite you calling them flops.
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Post by job on Mar 8, 2014 10:18:46 GMT -6
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” ― Joseph Goebbels That is exactly the philosophy I have been following with my complaints about our City leaders, I don't consider my expectations that they follow our laws to be propaganda though. If you want to talk about all the ways that they haven't followed our laws, I'd be happy to beat that horse some more now, but this thread was about people spewing crap on here and then not standing behind what they say. BTW, I still stand behind being proud of my business ventures, such as turning the Majestic from a long time boarded up vacant building into a first run movie palace, despite you calling them flops. [/quote “It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.” ― Joseph Goebbels
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2014 11:01:11 GMT -6
“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.” ― Joseph Goebbels Wow, that's getting pretty deep. I agree, the Mayor's comments that cleaning up Streator should not be politicized were mere words in an attempt to disguise our First Amendment Rights. Too bad those mere words were accompanied by his administrative powers to squash our rights. What do you think, was he just too scared that he wouldn't be able to win the election if he allowed people to hear the ideas of others, or does he just not give a crap about the Constitution?
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Post by father of two on Mar 8, 2014 16:04:25 GMT -6
Yes Kyle, I stand behind my statement. It had to have been discussed at a prior meeting before becoming an action item. It doesn't have to be the meeting before the action was taken.
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 8, 2014 19:34:31 GMT -6
I was talking about the SO cesspool, and guess who shows up? I just think it's funny that someone says something to her and she doesn't like it so she goes right to name calling and saying she is deleting her account. She has deleted her account about 5 times now. Again, I'm sure she is nice. Just have to learn how to deal with people. Remember when there were two threads for people to post their opinions of my building, but he felt the need to start another to hurl names and insults? When he claimed that business owners would issue death threats, was that his way of showing his expertise in dealing with people? When I started asking questions about death threats and another downtown building, he just disappeared from the threads. Since he won't even stand behind what he says, he might as well have deleted his account too. Do you still stand behind this statement? Since he wouldn't even answer, I'll just accept that statement as another of his on-going contributions to the cesspool. Since they and some others don't stand behind what they say, it is nothing but crap. The attacks and unsupported claims that make up their cesspool should be stood up to and are part of why I talk about the same things so many times. If I threatened you in any way then have me arrested. If you are going to say I threatened you, and I didn't, then i will sue you for defamation of character. Show me where I threatened you. I agree that its time to stand up to these claims.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2014 21:04:08 GMT -6
Yes Kyle, I stand behind my statement. It had to have been discussed at a prior meeting before becoming an action item. It doesn't have to be the meeting before the action was taken. Well now you answer, after just ignoring my question for so long. Thank You. You say that it had to, but is there a law that requires it? Even if there is a law does that mean that they did follow it? Are you trying to make people think that it was discussed? If so when? I've been paying attention to what they have been saying, I am fairly confident that it hasn't been discussed recently at a public meeting. Councilman Phelan indicated that the agenda that was posted just a few days before they voted was the only notice to the public, but it didn't even describe what they were planing to do other than change the numbers. I was at the COW meeting just eight days before they voted, there was no mention of it all then. Unless someone can tell me when it was discussed, I'll just go with my assertion that it wasn't. I am really curious to know what law requires that it be discussed at public meeting before they take action, because I'll add it to the list of the ones they have broken. The real underlying question is, why keep it such a secret from the people they are supposed to be representing and not give them a chance to comment on it? They aren't much of believers in government for the people or by the people are they?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2014 21:05:26 GMT -6
If I threatened you in any way then have me arrested. If you are going to say I threatened you, and I didn't, then i will sue you for defamation of character. Show me where I threatened you. I agree that its time to stand up to these claims. Have you arrested? That's a funny one! Did you forget that this is Streator, where I begged an officer to take action against a drunk that exposed himself in front of children and where people can break the law in front of officers and still walk away with no consequences? Defamation of character is another funny one! The person who has tried to make people think that business owner are so upset about the color I painted my building that they will give me death threats and that I have no business sense is talking about defamation. Bring on your silly law suit. Do you have reading comprehension problems? Show me where you think that I claimed that you threatened me.
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Post by father of two on Mar 8, 2014 21:09:41 GMT -6
It could have been discussed a year ago. As long as it as appeared on the agenda as discussion item first it can then have action taken at a later meeting. I don't know what law it is. Call the attorney general and ask. If there weren't a law or rules of order any group whether governmental or other could have enough people present for a meeting and bring things up to vote on without even their fellow members informed. I don't respond to you because I'm tired of talking to you. I'm answering this to clarify. If you have any other questions ask the city attorney or the state.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2014 21:40:02 GMT -6
It could have been discussed a year ago. As long as it as appeared on the agenda as discussion item first it can then have action taken at a later meeting. I don't know what law it is. Call the attorney general and ask. If there weren't a law or rules of order any group whether governmental or other could have enough people present for a meeting and bring things up to vote on without even their fellow members informed. I don't respond to you because I'm tired of talking to you. I'm answering this to clarify. If you have any other questions ask the city attorney or the state. Seriously? Are you now trying to make people think that maybe they talked about it a year ago? In my opinion that is in the same category as trying to make people think that there is nothing that can be done when people are breaking the law in front of officers unless the law breakers want to press charges, cesspool fill. Since you are tired of talking to me, you won't be responding to what I have to say with this kind of crap any more, right?
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 8, 2014 21:43:50 GMT -6
If I threatened you in any way then have me arrested. If you are going to say I threatened you, and I didn't, then i will sue you for defamation of character. Show me where I threatened you. I agree that its time to stand up to these claims. Have you arrested? That's a funny one! Did you forget that this is Streator, where I begged an officer to take action against a drunk that exposed himself in front of children and where people can break the law in front of officers and still walk away with no consequences? Defamation of character is another funny one! The person who has tried to make people think that business owner are so upset about the color I painted my building that they will give me death threats and that I have no business sense is talking about defamation. Bring on your silly law suit. Do you have reading comprehension problems? Show me where you think that I claimed that you threatened me. So you are going to back off?
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