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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 24, 2014 19:47:41 GMT -6
What, are you trying to get me to just write the entire ordinance? If the citizens write the laws, what would our law makers do to earn their pay? If I wrote it they would surely reject it, wouldn't they? Since you are asking someone who is less restrictive, why do we have to disallow any content? Aren't there already enough other restrictions to keep people from displaying most anything undesirable like the fake peni s or plutonium isotopes? Well after all you are the man with the plan, you say they are overly restrictive but never give any specifics on how that could be changed. You just enjoy hearing yourself talk and complaining as usual! I could give plenty of specifics, but what sense would that make since our City leaders typically seem unwilling to take action? Since they don't seem willing to listen to what people want or work with them to make things happen, complaining about what they have done is about all we can do.
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Post by mommytoo4 on Oct 24, 2014 20:34:16 GMT -6
Well after all you are the man with the plan, you say they are overly restrictive but never give any specifics on how that could be changed. You just enjoy hearing yourself talk and complaining as usual! I could give plenty of specifics, but what sense would that make since our City leaders typically seem unwilling to take action? Since they don't seem willing to listen to what people want or work with them to make things happen, complaining about what they have done is about all we can do. The city leaders aren't asking, we are, you want to convince people that there is a better way, so convince us!
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 24, 2014 22:52:12 GMT -6
I could give plenty of specifics, but what sense would that make since our City leaders typically seem unwilling to take action? Since they don't seem willing to listen to what people want or work with them to make things happen, complaining about what they have done is about all we can do. The city leaders aren't asking, we are, you want to convince people that there is a better way, so convince us! What more specifics do you want? I already said that I would support an ordinance allowing merchandise to be displayed outside and that it shouldn't need to require a permit or restrict content. I believe that many people would see that as a much better way than Mayor Lansford's way of making business owners spend several hundreds of dollars and months, with public hearings, commission recommendations, and trying to obtain council approval for permission to participate in a sidewalk sale. Although I feel there is only so much that can be done to convince people who have their heads too far up the City's backside, I will try. Here is an ordinance that I wrote to try to convince those people: Merchandise shall be allowed to be displayed outside equally by all without extreme restrictions or requirements, selective enforcement, or turning of the heads required, to allow all businesses a better chance to survive. A minimum five foot of clearance from the back side of the curb must be maintained on sidewalks.
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Post by mommytoo4 on Oct 24, 2014 23:14:55 GMT -6
The city leaders aren't asking, we are, you want to convince people that there is a better way, so convince us! What more specifics do you want? I already said that I would support an ordinance allowing merchandise to be displayed outside and that it shouldn't need to require a permit or restrict content. I believe that many people would see that as a much better way than Mayor Lansford's way of making business owners spend several hundreds of dollars and months, with public hearings, commission recommendations, and trying to obtain council approval for permission to participate in a sidewalk sale. Although I feel there is only so much that can be done to convince people who have their heads too far up the City's backside, I will try. Here is an ordinance that I wrote to try to convince those people: Merchandise shall be allowed to be displayed outside equally by all without extreme restrictions or requirements, selective enforcement, or turning of the heads required, to allow all businesses a better chance to survive. A minimum five foot of clearance from the back side of the curb must be maintained on sidewalks. Well see that is the problem, theirs is too restrictive and yours is non existent. Let's drive down Main st. and visualize shall we, Bliss plumbing and heating has 4 used toilets out on the sidewalk for sale, big sign CHEAP. Ace hardware has a bunch of half empty paint cans, stacked with a for sale sign. Don's furniture has a couple chairs damaged out they go. Toppings pizza buys a new cooler, just put the old one out front someone will buy it. No restrictions turns Main St into a flea market. There has to be SOME RULES or people will abuse the privilege and now we just look like trash.
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Post by helencrump on Oct 25, 2014 4:49:18 GMT -6
I have been watching every day when I drive through other towns, and I have yet to see merchandise displayed outside.
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Post by dog on Oct 25, 2014 7:29:49 GMT -6
What more specifics do you want? I already said that I would support an ordinance allowing merchandise to be displayed outside and that it shouldn't need to require a permit or restrict content. I believe that many people would see that as a much better way than Mayor Lansford's way of making business owners spend several hundreds of dollars and months, with public hearings, commission recommendations, and trying to obtain council approval for permission to participate in a sidewalk sale. Although I feel there is only so much that can be done to convince people who have their heads too far up the City's backside, I will try. Here is an ordinance that I wrote to try to convince those people: Merchandise shall be allowed to be displayed outside equally by all without extreme restrictions or requirements, selective enforcement, or turning of the heads required, to allow all businesses a better chance to survive. A minimum five foot of clearance from the back side of the curb must be maintained on sidewalks. Well see that is the problem, theirs is too restrictive and yours is non existent. Let's drive down Main st. and visualize shall we, Bliss plumbing and heating has 4 used toilets out on the sidewalk for sale, big sign CHEAP. Ace hardware has a bunch of half empty paint cans, stacked with a for sale sign. Don's furniture has a couple chairs damaged out they go. Toppings pizza buys a new cooler, just put the old one out front someone will buy it. No restrictions turns Main St into a flea market. There has to be SOME RULES or people will abuse the privilege and now we just look like trash. Now see, we have some constructive conversation going on. You both make good points. I would support an easier process. A minimum of 5ft and removal of mechandise at night is a good idea. But we also need to restrict content to prevent main street from looking like a junkyard or flea market. From what I gather Kyle, you would just want to limit things like sexual items and dangerous items?
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Post by dog on Oct 25, 2014 7:36:52 GMT -6
I would suggest that you stop at the 17th Street Bar and Grill, just off of the expressway in Marion. They have won the national championships in the big contests in Memphis. Far better ribs than those sold at the Shed. www.17thstreetbarbecue.com/Home.aspxExcellent suggestion. Ate there last night. Had the ribs and the wife had the nachos. Fast service and good food. Off to Shawnee and Garden of the Gods today.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 25, 2014 7:39:50 GMT -6
What more specifics do you want? I already said that I would support an ordinance allowing merchandise to be displayed outside and that it shouldn't need to require a permit or restrict content. I believe that many people would see that as a much better way than Mayor Lansford's way of making business owners spend several hundreds of dollars and months, with public hearings, commission recommendations, and trying to obtain council approval for permission to participate in a sidewalk sale. Although I feel there is only so much that can be done to convince people who have their heads too far up the City's backside, I will try. Here is an ordinance that I wrote to try to convince those people: Merchandise shall be allowed to be displayed outside equally by all without extreme restrictions or requirements, selective enforcement, or turning of the heads required, to allow all businesses a better chance to survive. A minimum five foot of clearance from the back side of the curb must be maintained on sidewalks. Well see that is the problem, theirs is too restrictive and yours is non existent. Let's drive down Main st. and visualize shall we, Bliss plumbing and heating has 4 used toilets out on the sidewalk for sale, big sign CHEAP. Ace hardware has a bunch of half empty paint cans, stacked with a for sale sign. Don's furniture has a couple chairs damaged out they go. Toppings pizza buys a new cooler, just put the old one out front someone will buy it. No restrictions turns Main St into a flea market. There has to be SOME RULES or people will abuse the privilege and now we just look like trash. Do you pay attention when you go down Main Street? Bliss Plumbing has not been there for a long time. Used furniture and left over finish materials are already being displayed on Main Street. Did you also notice that there is no shade for the mums so on hot afternoons they sometimes look a little dried out and when there is wind sometimes they are blown over? Does that make them flea market mums making our downtown just look like trash too? If those things are so terrible, why aren't you down at City Hall getting your Mayor to put a stop to it already? Doesn't he have the all encompassing power of his overly restrictive ordinances that he could decide to stop turning his head to? I support those business owners being able to equally do what they feel is best for their business within reason. Like I said, I think many people would see that way as better and more inviting to businesses way than the Mayor's overly restrictive ordinances and selective enforcement policies, but convincing those with their heads too far up our City's back side may not be possible. Perhaps you will have a chance to vote for him and his head turning, Good O' Boy Club ways next spring?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 25, 2014 9:00:52 GMT -6
Now see, we have some constructive conversation going on. You both make good points. I would support an easier process. A minimum of 5ft and removal of mechandise at night is a good idea. But we also need to restrict content to prevent main street from looking like a junkyard or flea market. From what I gather Kyle, you would just want to limit things like sexual items and dangerous items? Is it constructive conversation? What is it constructing? Are you going to present a proposed ordinance from ideas hashed around on a public forum to our Council? If our Mayor doesn't want it to happen, I doubt that it will, or will continue to be overly restrictive on "content" and still allow for their selective enforcement head turning. Are you implying that some amateur insignificant citizens are able to put together an acceptable ordinance that would allow businesses to participate in sidewalk sales without having to jump through extreme expense and hoops or break our laws? Are we being more constructive than our professional lawmakers with their City Manager and expensive professionals consultants? How much have we spent on attorneys fees the last few years? How much was spent on those Downtown and Comprehensive Plans? Yet our leaders weren't able to be as constructive as some insignificant posters on a public forum? Wow, doesn't that make you think that maybe we need some new leaders? For the record, what I was saying is that I don't think that we need to limit those type of things at all because they are already limited by other existing rules, regulations and restrictions. On a side note, are you away from Streator, traveling for pleasure? Why are you spending your relaxation time away worrying about defending our City? Not that I care what you do, but don't I remember you giving me crap for taking some time on my balcony overlooking the white sand beach and Gulf of Mexico to post on here, saying that I am too wrapped up in it? Go relax, enjoy your vacation. I'll still be here when you get back.
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Post by mommytoo4 on Oct 25, 2014 12:25:05 GMT -6
Now see, we have some constructive conversation going on. You both make good points. I would support an easier process. A minimum of 5ft and removal of mechandise at night is a good idea. But we also need to restrict content to prevent main street from looking like a junkyard or flea market. From what I gather Kyle, you would just want to limit things like sexual items and dangerous items? Is it constructive conversation? What is it constructing? Are you going to present a proposed ordinance from ideas hashed around on a public forum to our Council? If our Mayor doesn't want it to happen, I doubt that it will, or will continue to be overly restrictive on "content" and still allow for their selective enforcement head turning. Are you implying that some amateur insignificant citizens are able to put together an acceptable ordinance that would allow businesses to participate in sidewalk sales without having to jump through extreme expense and hoops or break our laws? Are we being more constructive than our professional lawmakers with their City Manager and expensive professionals consultants? How much have we spent on attorneys fees the last few years? How much was spent on those Downtown and Comprehensive Plans? Yet our leaders weren't able to be as constructive as some insignificant posters on a public forum? Wow, doesn't that make you think that maybe we need some new leaders? For the record, what I was saying is that I don't think that we need to limit those type of things at all because they are already limited by other existing rules, regulations and restrictions. On a side note, are you away from Streator, traveling for pleasure? Why are you spending your relaxation time away worrying about defending our City? Not that I care what you do, but don't I remember you giving me crap for taking some time on my balcony overlooking the white sand beach and Gulf of Mexico to post on here, saying that I am too wrapped up in it? Go relax, enjoy your vacation. I'll still be here when you get back. And this is why you can't get anyone to listen to you, there is no talking to you or having a conversation, it is simply the sky is falling and we all are doomed!
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 25, 2014 12:51:18 GMT -6
Is it constructive conversation? What is it constructing? Are you going to present a proposed ordinance from ideas hashed around on a public forum to our Council? If our Mayor doesn't want it to happen, I doubt that it will, or will continue to be overly restrictive on "content" and still allow for their selective enforcement head turning. Are you implying that some amateur insignificant citizens are able to put together an acceptable ordinance that would allow businesses to participate in sidewalk sales without having to jump through extreme expense and hoops or break our laws? Are we being more constructive than our professional lawmakers with their City Manager and expensive professionals consultants? How much have we spent on attorneys fees the last few years? How much was spent on those Downtown and Comprehensive Plans? Yet our leaders weren't able to be as constructive as some insignificant posters on a public forum? Wow, doesn't that make you think that maybe we need some new leaders? For the record, what I was saying is that I don't think that we need to limit those type of things at all because they are already limited by other existing rules, regulations and restrictions. On a side note, are you away from Streator, traveling for pleasure? Why are you spending your relaxation time away worrying about defending our City? Not that I care what you do, but don't I remember you giving me crap for taking some time on my balcony overlooking the white sand beach and Gulf of Mexico to post on here, saying that I am too wrapped up in it? Go relax, enjoy your vacation. I'll still be here when you get back. And this is why you can't get anyone to listen to you, there is no talking to you or having a conversation, it is simply the sky is falling and we all are doomed! What makes you think I can't get people to listen? Did you happen to notice that it seems some people can't stay away no matter how hard they try or what cool new features they find here? This thread does have a few views, wouldn't you agree? It seems that many people do want to hear what I have to say. I've just found that it takes talking about the problems over and over again to get others talking about them as well before our City leaders will even start to recognize them as problems. The sky is not falling and we are not doomed, our leaders could just decide to start doing things differently at any time, or we could hire new ones in the next election to have better here. I am excited about and look forward to seeing what Streator can become with some much needed change, you and my other detractors are the ones who seem hell bent on seeing Streator continue in its current negative direction. Change could be very good for Streator.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 25, 2014 14:43:45 GMT -6
It is only sensible that the City and it's business leaders work together for what is good for the City and it's people and businesses. Yes, I agree that working together could be a good thing. However, publicly declaring business owners illegal, giving out requirements that do not follow our laws and not addressing the problems has shown me that they are unwilling to work together for the good of our community. That is why I have been asking for new leaders.
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Post by mommytoo4 on Oct 25, 2014 15:14:36 GMT -6
You don't know how to work together with anyone, it is your way or the highway, I specifically said to you that I feel that the city is overly restrictive, but the minute I added that your idea was non-existent I was against you. Instantly you revert back to your comfort zone of reminding us of all of the injustices that you have had to endure.
If I were to say to both MM and Dog, please give some input on how you feel this code should be written they would answer my question with intelligence and thought, as two people who own business' in town. You just can't seem to look past your own self-gratification to actually work together with the people here, whether it be the city leaders or the citizens.
If I were the City Leaders and said "ok Kyle, you give us what you think would work for displaying merchandise on the sidewalk" and you handed me that, I would do exactly what they do, shake my head and ignore you. The answer you gave me was no code at all, lets just let each and every business owner do as they see fit even if it is putting garbage on the sidewalk.
When you decide to open your eyes and understand that just because YOU think it doesn't make it right, then maybe just maybe you might get somewhere, until then we just see you as a person throwing a fit because not everyone feels as if you do.
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Post by greekgod on Oct 25, 2014 15:23:53 GMT -6
Kyle,
In my opinion, after 110 pages of you verbally PI$$ING on the Elected City Council, the Mayor, our City Ordinances, the Planning Commission, the Streator Police Department has discouraged more businesses from locating in Streator than anyone you ever witnessed peeing in a parking lot.
But you have a mission don't you Kyle?
If you can't have your way, Streator will suffer though innuendo, accusations, and opinion.
You of course were just expressing your Constitutional Rights though.
I guess you will grant those same Contitutional Rights to me won't you?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 25, 2014 16:31:21 GMT -6
You don't know how to work together with anyone, it is your way or the highway, I specifically said to you that I feel that the city is overly restrictive, but the minute I added that your idea was non-existent I was against you. Instantly you revert back to your comfort zone of reminding us of all of the injustices that you have had to endure. If I were to say to both MM and Dog, please give some input on how you feel this code should be written they would answer my question with intelligence and thought, as two people who own business' in town. You just can't seem to look past your own self-gratification to actually work together with the people here, whether it be the city leaders or the citizens. If I were the City Leaders and said "ok Kyle, you give us what you think would work for displaying merchandise on the sidewalk" and you handed me that, I would do exactly what they do, shake my head and ignore you. The answer you gave me was no code at all, lets just let each and every business owner do as they see fit even if it is putting garbage on the sidewalk. When you decide to open your eyes and understand that just because YOU think it doesn't make it right, then maybe just maybe you might get somewhere, until then we just see you as a person throwing a fit because not everyone feels as if you do. Because I don't do as you ask on here I do not know how to work with anyone? You have attacked me for years, why would I even be interested in trying to work with you? It's not like putting together an ordinance on here will accomplish anything anyway. I have just been talking about what I want and what I think is right and will continue standing up for what I think is right. It seems to me that it is people like you, greek, dog, and MM who are throwing the fit just because I am expressing my insignificant opinions.
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