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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 20, 2014 6:19:22 GMT -6
Kyle just can't understand why NOBODY agrees with him. After all, it seem to me he believes, 1. EVERBODY has to answer all his questions. 2. ALL City Officials should explain their decisions to HIM, to HIS complete satisfaction before he is denied ANYTHING. He has rights you know. 3. If any decision the Council makes that benefits Kyle wishes will of course benefit all of Streator, all of it's citizens, and do nothing but bring on a vibrant downtown district, and a thriving economy. 4. Oh, and the Majestic Theater would still be open. Sure it would. Bottom line Kyle, I believe Streator is better off without you, and certainly this blog. Streator would have been much better off without all your non-constructive criticism. Those of us you left behind, WILL continue to participate in "Clean Up Streator" campaigns, "Light Up Streator" campaigns, participate in local service organizations, donate to the Local Food Pantries, Ring the Salvation Army Bells at local businesses, donate time and money to help our fellow citizens should a natural disaster, or personal disaster occur. Streatorites will continue to vote, not only for their own interest, but for the best interest of the community as a whole. Somehow Kyle, I believe you are so full of yourself you believe the only way Streator could thrive is when we all agree with you. Oh, and starts with the Mayor, all Council Members, the Downtown Business Association, to all Forum Members. Yes Kyle, you have the same "Constitutional Rights" as every other citizen. Yes Kyle, you have the same right to express your opinion as does every other Forum Member, but we have the right not to answer your question. Good Luck in your new enterprise. Hopefully, you will find the success you deserve, that you seem to feel you failed to achieve in our wonderful community of Streator. g Haven't you been paying attention? There are many people who agree with me, it is only my approach that they don't like. My criticism was constructive. Cleaning up Streator and its image to allow us to have other businesses like a movie palace would be a good thing for our community, but our leaders have been very, very slow to recognize and correct these problems. I still think it is a great idea for you, oldtimer and maybe a couple others to partner up with the families that you mention as having done so much for our community but failed to correct these problems, to open the boarded up movie palace and show us how to provide a movie-going experience and give back to the community.
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Post by greekgod on Oct 20, 2014 11:12:38 GMT -6
Kyle just can't understand why NOBODY agrees with him. After all, it seem to me he believes, 1. EVERBODY has to answer all his questions. 2. ALL City Officials should explain their decisions to HIM, to HIS complete satisfaction before he is denied ANYTHING. He has rights you know. 3. If any decision the Council makes that benefits Kyle wishes will of course benefit all of Streator, all of it's citizens, and do nothing but bring on a vibrant downtown district, and a thriving economy. 4. Oh, and the Majestic Theater would still be open. Sure it would. Bottom line Kyle, I believe Streator is better off without you, and certainly this blog. Streator would have been much better off without all your non-constructive criticism. Those of us you left behind, WILL continue to participate in "Clean Up Streator" campaigns, "Light Up Streator" campaigns, participate in local service organizations, donate to the Local Food Pantries, Ring the Salvation Army Bells at local businesses, donate time and money to help our fellow citizens should a natural disaster, or personal disaster occur. Streatorites will continue to vote, not only for their own interest, but for the best interest of the community as a whole. Somehow Kyle, I believe you are so full of yourself you believe the only way Streator could thrive is when we all agree with you. Oh, and starts with the Mayor, all Council Members, the Downtown Business Association, to all Forum Members. Yes Kyle, you have the same "Constitutional Rights" as every other citizen. Yes Kyle, you have the same right to express your opinion as does every other Forum Member, but we have the right not to answer your question. Good Luck in your new enterprise. Hopefully, you will find the success you deserve, that you seem to feel you failed to achieve in our wonderful community of Streator. g . I still think it is a great idea for you, oldtimer and maybe a couple others to partner up with the families that you mention as having done so much for our community but failed to correct these problems, to open the boarded up movie palace and show us how to provide a movie-going experience and give back to the community. Kyle, Gee, were not in the "theater business", you are. You're the expert remember. Do you think "we", the citizens of Streator, should perhaps throw tax dollars toward your business? I thought it was boarded up because the lease expired and the owner of the building has it for sale. Nice try. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 20, 2014 11:51:30 GMT -6
Kyle, Gee, were not in the "theater business", you are. You're the expert remember. Do you think "we", the citizens of Streator, should perhaps throw tax dollars toward your business? I thought it was boarded up because the lease expired and the owner of the building has it for sale. Nice try. g What are you talking about? I certainly never called myself an expert. What tax dollars would be thrown towards my business? If you are talking about if tax dollars should be thrown at saving the Majestic, I think that would be ludicrous, but our City leaders do seem to be very loose with the spending of tax dollars, don't they? What makes you think that a lease expired? It was the owner of the building who was also president of the corporation operating the theatre business who boarded it up and called it a failing business. The Majestic is boarded up because not enough people want to come around the drunken street brawls and people pulling their pants down to spend their family entertainment dollars there, and our City leaders wouldn't correct the problems. I don't think it takes any theatre expert to figure out that these negative results of over-serving are not good for family oriented businesses. I would love to see the experts who continue to allow the over-serving, drunken street brawls, and public urination go on and want to think the negative impacts are not a factor, personally invest into trying to provide the people of Streator with a movie going experience. I bet if any were to try, they would see things differently.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 21, 2014 6:42:57 GMT -6
Yes Kyle, you have the same "Constitutional Rights" as every other citizen. g Is that correct? I was thinking that maybe it was only my talking about what I want for our community that they were against, but you say that every other citizen would also be denied use of City Park based on the subject to be discussed? That is interesting. Where do you suppose our Mayor went to school to learn about our Constitution? North Korea, China perhaps? It is very concerning to me that they have hired a City Manager coming from a community where our civil rights are basically just not recognized either. Does IVCC sell gift certificates? Maybe I could buy each of them a gift certificate for a course on Civil Rights & The U. S. Constitution.
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Post by northsider on Oct 21, 2014 8:33:55 GMT -6
Where does it say a special use permit is required? ?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 21, 2014 11:20:18 GMT -6
Where does it say a special use permit is required? ? I'm pretty sure that I posted the verbiage about "merchandise displayed outside" requiring a Special Use Permit before, but can't find it now. I only see the part about merchandise on a sidewalk requiring a "City Permit". However, I don't see any mention of a "City Permit" on the City's website. It was a Special Use Permit that Tractor Supply Company was required to get to display merchandise outside. Did they change the requirement since then? The way that the ordinances are displayed online seems different, maybe they updated it? I remember you searching our ordinances trying to find some type of justification for the Mayor's industrial zoning requirement for Aquaponics, I bet you already looked. Did you find where it is legal to display merchandise outside without a Special use Permit? It is hard to trust anything the City puts online though, I don't think they see much importance in making sure that it is correct or up to date. Did you ever trying reading Council Meeting minutes online? It seems that they don't want people to know about what they do until a year or so has passed. I was at a City meeting earlier this year where they tried to say that it didn't matter that the wrong information that public hearing was on was listed online because there are a lot of people here who don't even have the internet. Maybe when this internet thing finally catches on in the eyes of our City leaders, we will be able to get more updated reliable information? Maybe some new leaders could help bring Streator into the information age.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 21, 2014 15:11:28 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure that I posted the verbiage about "merchandise displayed outside" requiring a Special Use Permit before, but can't find it now. I only see the part about merchandise on a sidewalk requiring a "City Permit". However, I don't see any mention of a "City Permit" on the City's website. It was a Special Use Permit that Tractor Supply Company was required to get to display merchandise outside. Did they change the requirement since then? The way that the ordinances are displayed online seems different, maybe they updated it? I remember you searching our ordinances trying to find some type of justification for the Mayor's industrial zoning requirement for Aquaponics, I bet you already looked. Did you find where it is legal to display merchandise outside without a Special use Permit? It is hard to trust anything the City puts online though, I don't think they see much importance in making sure that it is correct or up to date. Did you ever trying reading Council Meeting minutes online? It seems that they don't want people to know about what they do until a year or so has passed. I was at a City meeting earlier this year where they tried to say that it didn't matter that the wrong information that public hearing was on was listed online because there are a lot of people here who don't even have the internet. Maybe when this internet thing finally catches on in the eyes of our City leaders, we will be able to get more updated reliable information?
Maybe some new leaders could help bring Streator into the information age. You say so many things to attack our city and leaders I don't believe most of the things you say are accurate. You just spew garbage and make mountains of molehills. You take things out of context and twist them to suit your own views. They are twisted and contorted. I honestly don't know the people up at City Hall or how they do things.....but I DO know the Kyle Mitchell TWIST. I think most of us do by now. What is it that you think is twisted or inaccurate? Here is documentation from the Times of the City's website having the incorrect information: The Streator Plan Commission voted to delay the recommendation for approval of the final draft of the comprehensive and downtown redevelopment plan of the city of Streator.
While a public notice was posted in The Times a month ago and hard copies of the plan were available at City Hall, the link on the city's website was incorrect. The link took one to an old version of the plans, from November. This was brought to the attention of the committee during the public forum by a resident.
Is it that you are doubting that one of those old men said that a lot of people here don't have the internet? I wish you would have been at the meeting to hear it for yourself. I know it is hard to believe that anyone would think that way, but I was there and heard him say it. My story hasn't changed since posting about it the day after the planned hearing (page 4 of this thread). It is the truth of what happened.
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Post by northsider on Oct 21, 2014 15:54:05 GMT -6
So is a special use permit required for a sidewalk sale or just a permit? Keep looking for that verbiage you posted before, I'm interested to see if you've once again misread/misunderstood the city ordinances. I think a permit would be a reasonable requirement. Without requiring a permit, any business owner could exploit the fact that sidewalk sales are not controlled. They could put up anything that they could think of everyday. If some business owner was to have some type personal beef with the city they could really get ignorant with it. I'm not saying it would happen but it could.
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Post by dumdave on Oct 22, 2014 10:09:49 GMT -6
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 23, 2014 5:03:05 GMT -6
So is a special use permit required for a sidewalk sale or just a permit? Keep looking for that verbiage you posted before, I'm interested to see if you've once again misread/misunderstood the city ordinances. I think a permit would be a reasonable requirement. Without requiring a permit, any business owner could exploit the fact that sidewalk sales are not controlled. They could put up anything that they could think of everyday. If some business owner was to have some type personal beef with the city they could really get ignorant with it. I'm not saying it would happen but it could. Once again? When have I misread/misunderstood an ordinance? After your detailed analysis of our zoning ordinance, you never did provide any justification for the Mayor's industrial zoning requirement for Aquaponics to show that I misread or misunderstood it. Don't you think he should only give out requirements that he can provide justifications for? I don't know why the ordinance that I had seen before that covers merchandise displayed outside and called for a Special Use Permit is not showing up online. Here is some info from the Times showing that a Special Use Permit is required: In related discussion, Nicholson told the council about items on the Plan Commission's agenda Tuesday night, which includes consideration of an application for a special use permit for Tractor Supply Company to display outdoor inventory at a store at Northpoint Shopping Center. Here is what the ordinance about merchandise on sidewalks says: Unless a city permit is obtained, no person shall use any street or sidewalk as space for the display of merchandise for sale, or place or paint any signs or advertisements on any public street or sidewalk.What is a "City Permit"? The ordinance doesn't seem to talk about the requirements or cost to obtain a "City Permit". If Tractor Supply was required to get a Special Use Permit to display merchandise outside on private property not on a sidewalk, do you think they would allow merchandise on a sidewalk with a lesser requirement? Here is the list of Permits from the City's website: Building Documents » Building Permit & Instructions » Contractor Application » Electrical Permit » Plumbing Permit » Roof Permit » Sewer Connection Permit » Garage Permit (Accessory Bldg App) » Vacant Building Registration » Fence Permit » Demolition Permit » Encroachment Permit Construction Incentive » Enterprise Zone Application » TIF Application
Sign Documents » Sign Permit Instructions » Temporary Sign Permit » Permanent Sign Permit
Miscellaneous Documents » Freedom Of Information Act Request (FOIA) » Sidewalk Reimbursement Program Application » Park Use Permit » Garage Sale Permit (Rummage Sale) » Raffle License » Billiard Pool Permit » Employment Application » Mobile Vendor Permit » Peddler Solicitor Permit » Transient Merchant Permit » Home Occupation Permit » Automatic Utility Billing Application » Video Gaming License Hotel & Motel Tax Return
Zoning/Annexation Documents » Annexation Application » Rezoning Application » Special Use Application » Permanent SignDid I just misread or misunderstand where their list includes a "City Permit"? I called the City yesterday morning to try to get clarification of what is required. The woman answering the phone for the code enforcement selection asked what store it was for. I wouldn't think that it should matter who it is for, but it seems that somehow it does make a difference. She put me on hold to go find out, came back a few minutes later and said that the City Engineer would have to answer that question. She gave me his voice mail, I left a message but didn't receive a call back. Should it be such a mystery to find out what our City requires to display some mums outside a flower shop? It doesn't seem very inviting to business to me.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 23, 2014 16:23:40 GMT -6
So is a special use permit required for a sidewalk sale or just a permit? Keep looking for that verbiage you posted before, I'm interested to see if you've once again misread/misunderstood the city ordinances. I think a permit would be a reasonable requirement. Without requiring a permit, any business owner could exploit the fact that sidewalk sales are not controlled. They could put up anything that they could think of everyday. If some business owner was to have some type personal beef with the city they could really get ignorant with it. I'm not saying it would happen but it could. The City Engineer called me back this afternoon and confirmed that a Special Use Permit is required to display any merchandise outside. It looks like once again I did not misread/misunderstand the ordinances and this is one more example of the uninviting to business attitude of the established leadership of our City.
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Post by northsider on Oct 23, 2014 17:55:29 GMT -6
The special use permit is a two page application found on the city website. It looks like it would take about 10 or 15 minutes to fill out.. It basically requires you to describe what you will be doing and how it will impact the area. How is this uninviting to business? Shouldn't the city have some say over what occurs on public sidewalks. What would you suggest, allowing a mum plant or two outside each business? How about 5, 10, or 50 mums? How about blocking the whole sidewalk? Without any type of control you will eventually get one idiot who will exploit the loophole.
Since the city agreed with you on this issue it does appear you were correct about needing a special use permit. Looks like you are 1 for 2.
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Post by helencrump on Oct 23, 2014 19:20:06 GMT -6
Should a video store be allowed to put a display of porn movies on the sidewalk? A spencers type a rack of dildos? Walmart a display of guns? Maybe Walgreens could put out a display for diabetics, including insulin syringes. Metcalf martin might want to have a display of toilets on their sidewalk. I could see many reasons for asking what store.
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Post by chevypower on Oct 23, 2014 21:39:48 GMT -6
Good point Helencrump! But I think Kyle is all for Kyle as it appears.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 24, 2014 6:38:23 GMT -6
The special use permit is a two page application found on the city website. It looks like it would take about 10 or 15 minutes to fill out.. It basically requires you to describe what you will be doing and how it will impact the area. How is this uninviting to business? Shouldn't the city have some say over what occurs on public sidewalks. What would you suggest, allowing a mum plant or two outside each business? How about 5, 10, or 50 mums? How about blocking the whole sidewalk? Without any type of control you will eventually get one idiot who will exploit the loophole. Since the city agreed with you on this issue it does appear you were correct about needing a special use permit. Looks like you are 1 for 2. 1 for 2? What was the instance that you claim I did misread or misunderstand our ordinances? If you want to try to claim that I misunderstood some type of justification for the Mayor's industrial zoning requirement for Aquaponics, I would be very happy to get back into the details of that because I am very convinced that it was absolutely wrong. Just a two page application is all that is required to participate in a sidewalk sale? Are you sure that you didn't just misread/misunderstand the requirements to display merchandise outside? Isn't there a fee of at least $300, which can become more if they deem the application incomplete or if staff time becomes involved in consultation? Then don't you also have to pay to publicize the public hearing that has to be held on the matter? Then don't you have to convince a group of Mayoral appointees to make their recommendation to the Council? Wouldn't it also be a good idea to have legal representation as well through this official process to try to protect your investment into gaining approval to participate in a sidewalk sale? Doesn't the process take months? Won't all of those expenses and efforts be just a waste if in the end the Mayor, one of his long time fellow club members and one of their new appointees just says no because they don't like that the person requesting it has been asking that our community and its image be cleaned up or they thought that the family had been living in a movie theatre when they were not? Some people do go to the casinos and gamble several hundreds of dollars on one roll of a dice, not me. It really seems like an extreme requirement, one that makes our City seem very uninviting to business. Too bad that they couldn't just figure out a way to create some rules to be followed to keep it from becoming a problem and allow businesses to do what they feel is best for them to survive. Maybe if we get some new leaders after the next election, they will be able to write better laws.
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