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Post by dog on Mar 12, 2014 11:39:54 GMT -6
After all the times I have talked to them about allowing freedom of speech, just last month they didn't give me a chance to comment on what I would like to be considered before voting on making licenses available for three new bars, what will it be next time? They wouldn't give you your 3 minutes during the public forum?
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Post by greekgod on Mar 12, 2014 13:44:39 GMT -6
They have no problem calling "time" to shut me up using one clause of the Kyle Mitchell ordinance, why not use the other clause of the same ordinance? myself, Could you share with the Forum the "Kyle Mitchell ordinance"? It must be a matter of Public Record. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight? g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2014 14:27:44 GMT -6
After all the times I have talked to them about allowing freedom of speech, just last month they didn't give me a chance to comment on what I would like to be considered before voting on making licenses available for three new bars, what will it be next time? They wouldn't give you your 3 minutes during the public forum? They gave me three minutes at the public forum, but the public wasn't informed of what they wanted to do until that agenda item came up. By that time the next public forum wasn't until after they had already voted on the issue.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2014 14:44:09 GMT -6
They have no problem calling "time" to shut me up using one clause of the Kyle Mitchell ordinance, why not use the other clause of the same ordinance? myself, Could you share with the Forum the "Kyle Mitchell ordinance"? It must be a matter of Public Record. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight? g Come on greek, don't pretend like you don't pay attention to what goes on here. After over 140 years of surviving without it, in a time when not many ever speak, shortly after one citizen began speaking up more about justifications for business requirements and a councilman told him to shut up and sit down because he didn't want to hear about Aquaponics, they enacted a new ordinance putting limits on Free Speech at City Council meetings. That is why they start the timer as soon as I start talking, it gives them the ability to stop me at three minutes or when I say anything that they think is not true. I think you already knew all this, but thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about it again.
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Post by cmon on Mar 12, 2014 16:59:22 GMT -6
I think a lot of it had to do with your redundancy and the way you disrespected a certain councilman when he had stated that he was dying. You showed absolutely no compassion and seemed to enjoy the moment. It was callous and unbecoming of a human bring. To the councilman's credit he just let you babble on and didn't respond. You lost any type of respect I could ever give you Kyle. It was wrong on your part.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2014 17:52:59 GMT -6
I think a lot of it had to do with your redundancy and the way you disrespected a certain councilman when he had stated that he was dying. You showed absolutely no compassion and seemed to enjoy the moment. It was callous and unbecoming of a human bring. To the councilman's credit he just let you babble on and didn't respond. You lost any type of respect I could ever give you Kyle. It was wrong on your part. I asked too many times for their justification, or for them to clean up Streator? They disrespected me long before I ever disrespected them. There was a lot of disrespect at the COW meeting in March, 2011 where there was no public input allowed and they denied use of City Park to hear candidates' ideas. Remember, they work for me not the other way around. There was a meting that I went to after work and wasn't able to be there on time, I walked in and sat down to hear the mayor call for the public forum(when they were at the end of the meeting). I am sure that I probably would have spoke a little differently had I of been there for the entire meeting and knew that he was dying. I do regret that. I certainly did not enjoy hearing of his fate. If they treated people with more respect, I think they would get more back.
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Post by cmon on Mar 12, 2014 18:01:11 GMT -6
That is total BS. You were there the entire time. May 2013 City Council meeting.
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Post by cmon on Mar 12, 2014 18:11:52 GMT -6
Excuse my mistake. It was the June 2013 meeting.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2014 18:17:41 GMT -6
That is total BS. You were there the entire time. May 2013 City Council meeting. If it is the meeting that he made his announcement at, you are wrong. I came in at the end and read about the announcement in the paper. I was not in the Council chambers when Mr. Benner announced that he was dying. I certainly would remember that. What kind of cancer did he have? Did they know what caused it? Many people, the building owner wanting to do Aquaponics included, believe that chemicals used in the production of our foods (things like rBGH) are strong suspects for causing cancer. Those type of things can not be used in Aquaponics because of the ill effects on other elements of the symbiotic relationship. More sustainable production of safer foods wouldn't really be a bad thing here in my opinion.
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Post by cmon on Mar 12, 2014 18:21:03 GMT -6
You were there when he announced it. Trust me. The entire crowd was mortified at your callousness.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2014 19:02:26 GMT -6
You were there when he announced it. Trust me. The entire crowd was mortified at your callousness. Trust you? You didn't even know what month it was. I was there when he announced that his previous round of cancer had been beat and when he announced he had cancer again and that it was not expected to be terminal, maybe you are thinking of one of those times. I remember that I had to work through the start of the 7:00 show at the Roxy and went there afterwards. I know that I was not there when he announced he was dying. I did feel bad when I read about it in the paper the next day.
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Post by cmon on Mar 12, 2014 19:43:52 GMT -6
I corrected the month dummy. You were there for the entire June 2013 meeting. The entire city council took great restaint in not commenting on your idiotic statements. As did the audience. Your memory serves you well when it's to your benefit and not so well at other times.
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Post by cmon on Mar 12, 2014 20:00:32 GMT -6
You have also babbled about how YOUR rights have been violated but you don't want to pursue it any further because the taxpayers would have to foot the bill defending the City against your (bogus) allegations. If you feel so strongly that YOUR rights have been violated you should go after it 100%. My guess is you know it's BS plus you don't have the money to go after them anyway. The ACLU does pro bono work. Just in case you didn't know that. But of course you probably do.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2014 20:45:19 GMT -6
I corrected the month dummy. You were there for the entire June 2013 meeting. The entire city council took great restaint in not commenting on your idiotic statements. As did the audience. Your memory serves you well when it's to your benefit and not so well at other times. Name calling again? I find it interesting that you think you know better than I what I was there for. Get Real! There is video at City Hall, why don't you get a copy to show what time I came in? Since you know so much about my council experiences, you should also know that Mr. Benner was the one that interjected himself into the Aquaponics issue. I really wish I would have been able to explain it to him more, but he just did not want to listen to me. If the Mayor would have sent me to P&Z for a Special Use Permit or something reasonable, he would of had their recommendation and the results of a public hearing to base his opinion and been able to vote on, but the Mayor took that from all of us. Didn't the Mayor not only create this whole situation, but really kept it going too? If he would have just provided justification for his requirement on one of the many times I had asked, or told me to go to P&Z for a determination from them, or admitted that he made a mistake, or did anything but just keep ignoring me on the issue, would Mr. Benner or Mr. Williamson of been a part of this debate? I sure hope the Mayor doesn't die, or I'll probably look bad for criticizing what he has done too. However, I'm not going to just stop talking about the problems because there is a chance one of them will die. I truly would have held off that night had I of known. What was it that I said that night that was so terrible anyway? Did I say something that was not true? Should a Zoning requirement be used to stop a business because 65 pounds per square feet on just part of the floor area could be too much weight for old building wood floors? Should we be looking at what everyone has stored in their buildings and how much it weighs? Most 35mm films are 65 lbs and above, an extensive collection could weigh quite a bit. Our zoning laws are supposed to control impacts on the community in my opinion. There are building codes for things like weight. These old buildings were built very well and if maintained can hold more weight than modern construction with codes that have weight limits above what Aquaponics grow beds would create. Keeping businesses out has not been heading our City in a good direction, in my opinion. Have you seen how many vacant buildings there are downtown?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 12, 2014 21:02:39 GMT -6
You have also babbled about how YOUR rights have been violated but you don't want to pursue it any further because the taxpayers would have to foot the bill defending the City against your (bogus) allegations. If you feel so strongly that YOUR rights have been violated you should go after it 100%. My guess is you know it's BS plus you don't have the money to go after them anyway. The ACLU does pro bono work. Just in case you didn't know that. But of course you probably do. Actually at the time I thought about lawyers and thought I could probably find a private one to take it on. I was betting that the attorney from the group that already went rounds with them on the atheist sign up might like to jump on it. I didn't really think ACLU then. Do you think it is too late now? I mean it is an on-going issue isn't it? Just last month, the vote to make three more liquor licenses available for bars, without giving the people they are supposedly representing a chance to comment on it was a violation of our rights too, wasn't it? I guess maybe you are right and they are never going to change and stop trampling our rights until we get some attorneys involved. That seems to be all they will listen to, other than club memberships of course. I'll keep bringing the case to the court of public opinion too though, it has been fun, productive and seems to annoy you, so why would I stop?
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