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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 20:27:36 GMT -6
I have not seen evidence of evolution relying on faith..And perhaps the (theory) hasn't advanced much because science accepts it as a fact. No offense meant, but these comments are a clear signal that this particular topic is a poor one for a forum like ours. Both comments are incorrect and simply reflect a cursory familiarity with the debate. My own background is unsuited for the debate also, even though I could haunt the online scientific and religious journals to find some answers, I suppose. I believe that some sort of evolution occurred in the past and is occurring as we go about our daily lives. I don't believe in Darwin's theory whole cloth, but understand that bits and pieces of it have merit. OK. You don't believe the theory of evolution has advanced. Well PBS did a show on it to celebrate his birthday a couple of years ago...I'm sure some things inthe show could be looked at differently...But overall its very educational.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpjUHUGDk2Y&feature=related
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 20:28:33 GMT -6
You're just too stupid to comprehend either his question or my answer. You answer him... now. Can't, can ya'? butterbean, Sniper's question was directed to you. I would believe if you can you would answer HIS question. The forum awaits your reply to Sniper's question. I bet you won't. You are pathetic. g I replied and you can't...because you're incapable of doing so.
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Post by octavarium on Sept 17, 2011 21:31:57 GMT -6
I would not oppose creationism being mentioned in a sociology class. ("Mentioned", not "taught" in the sense that subjects such as fascism are mentioned and discussed in history classes and not "taught" in the "indoctrination" sense) I am glad we can agree that creationism is not science. Your Flying Spaghetti Monster analogy kind of proves a point. "Pastafarians" (funny name, the goofs) are no more or less "REASONABLE" than creationists. They both rely on stuff people made up. Nope, sorry, while we agree it is not a science ( no empirical data to suggest it is ), it needs to be taught so we can explore the background and relevance. We need to do this to assure 2 things, 1.) We do not create the EXACT monster that we have, one side which happens to believe in it having the power to say they are being violated, and 2.) To remove the darkness regarding it. If it is wrong, as I believe it is, shedding light on the subject can on confirm our beliefs, not eschew them. In the meantime, the friction harms us all, and takes away from valuable dialogue that could further all of us. Basically, if it is worth mentioning, it is worth exploring, as far as the data takes it. ( which isn't that far...........)I completely agree with the underlined statement. I think we are just coming at the same thing from different viewpoints.
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Post by octavarium on Sept 17, 2011 21:35:22 GMT -6
I would not oppose creationism being mentioned in a sociology class. ("Mentioned", not "taught" in the sense that subjects such as fascism are mentioned and discussed in history classes and not "taught" in the "indoctrination" sense) I am glad we can agree that creationism is not science. Your Flying Spaghetti Monster analogy kind of proves a point. "Pastafarians" (funny name, the goofs) are no more or less "REASONABLE" than creationists. They both rely on stuff people made up. Wipe the silly smirk off your face, poseur. Science is as much a religion as any Christian sect out there and it's fierce and dedicated proponents of Darwin and evolution shriek as much nonsense as any fundamental Christian could ever dream up. Evolution also has more than a few strains of belief as do the proponents of creationism. The theory of evolution hasn't been advanced much in the century and a half or so since it's origin. It has temendous gaps in its proposals and relys as heavily on great leaps of faith concerning its reasoning as the creationist's do in relying on First Source.Take your limited viewpoints to one of the forums online dedicated to this discussion and be prepared to be handed your godless head. This is just nonsense Butters. If scientists shriek nonsense, other scientists test their data and methods and disprove said nonsense. Are you unfamiliar with the scientific method or peer review?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 6:27:25 GMT -6
This is just nonsense Butters.
Of course it's not! Aren't you aware that there are considerable problems and issues associated with Darwinian and other evolutionary viewpoints? Either your scientific partisanship or your ignorance is showing here.
If scientists shriek nonsense, other scientists test their data and methods and disprove said nonsense.
Scientists have been pointing out the discrepancies with the data since the theory came out!
Are you unfamiliar with the scientific method or peer review
You seem to be!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Sept 18, 2011 11:27:15 GMT -6
Yes, as should Creationism. Let the individual decide which they believe. It sure would have helped us evolve faster in the days of the flat Earth................ But then Y'all seem to be as one sided as the Nutcase Christians.......... Sniper, If you introduce "Creationism" into the Public Schools you are bringing in Religion to the schools aren't you? g No, this is where you are either trying to "stir the pot" or need to examine your comprehension of life. We can CERTAINLY openly discuss Creationism WITHOUT SUPPORTING IT, the same as a SCHOOL should not SUPPORT EVOLUTION. Opening ones eyes to a subject can be done best without supporting a position, that should be left to the individual who is receiving the information. Or is this Russia now?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Sept 18, 2011 11:38:03 GMT -6
How about we all just agree to disagree? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? This is a position which is a closely held personal belief, and since it has NOTHING to do with all of us living in Harmony, should be left as a personal belief. If Butter's belief is in Creationism, cannot we all accept his thoughts as we expect him to accept ours? This sounds much as a 3rd grade recess would.............
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Post by freedom12 on Sept 18, 2011 15:49:50 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 16:26:27 GMT -6
How about we all just agree to disagree? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? This is a position which is a closely held personal belief, and since it has NOTHING to do with all of us living in Harmony, should be left as a personal belief. If Butter's belief is in Creationism, cannot we all accept his thoughts as we expect him to accept ours?This sounds much as a 3rd grade recess would............. Psssst...I believe in a mix of both.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Sept 19, 2011 6:29:16 GMT -6
Psssst...I believe in a mix of both. As do many my friend. The point is it is a Individual position, and there's the real rub, the hard core on either side of the POLITICAL spectrum hate strong Individual ideas......
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Post by greekgod on Sept 19, 2011 13:50:39 GMT -6
Psssst...I believe in a mix of both. As do many my friend. The point is it is a Individual position, and there's the real rub, the hard core on either side of the POLITICAL spectrum hate strong Individual ideas...... Sniper, I respect your "individual position" whether you agree or not with the " scientific theory of evolution". I disagree with those who oppose the "scientific theory of evolution" being taught in our public schools. Interestingly, there are some who propose, oh yeah it's okay, as long as............ Any other "scientific theories" that should not be permitted to be taught in our schools. Think Galileo. g ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Sept 19, 2011 15:46:34 GMT -6
Sniper, I respect your "individual position" whether you agree or not with the " scientific theory of evolution". I disagree with those who oppose the "scientific theory of evolution" being taught in our public schools. Interestingly, there are some who propose, oh yeah it's okay, as long as............ Any other "scientific theories" that should not be permitted to be taught in our schools. Think Galileo. g ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Greek, yet you do not support giving Creationism its full measure? Here again, much as a full fleshing out of our dear Presidents position on Taxes would educate the masses, so would an objective look at how we came to be about. Sadly, both subjects ( and many more ) are shrouded in baloney passing off as "facts"
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Post by greekgod on Sept 19, 2011 16:39:57 GMT -6
Sniper, I respect your "individual position" whether you agree or not with the " scientific theory of evolution". I disagree with those who oppose the "scientific theory of evolution" being taught in our public schools. Interestingly, there are some who propose, oh yeah it's okay, as long as............ Any other "scientific theories" that should not be permitted to be taught in our schools. Think Galileo. g ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Greek, yet you do not support giving Creationism its full measure? Here again, much as a full fleshing out of our dear Presidents position on Taxes would educate the masses, so would an objective look at how we came to be about. Sadly, both subjects ( and many more ) are shrouded in baloney passing off as "facts" Sniper, That is not answer to the question. How very typical. You raised, I called. g ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2011 17:19:21 GMT -6
I believe most religions-christians,buddhist,muslims,etc. have different views on our creation..Will we teach all of them?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Sept 19, 2011 17:21:24 GMT -6
Sniper, That is not answer to the question. How very typical. You raised, I called. g ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Au Contraire my friend, you asked no question, and did not support your position that Creationism should NOT be taught. Just keeping you focused............. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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