honestpolitician
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Post by honestpolitician on Dec 26, 2014 22:28:26 GMT -6
Dog the ball isn't in my court, as you say. The high number is my point. If the massive number doesn't get your attention. I'm not about to research 1,000 deaths to come up with the numbers you want. Also a grand jury has been known to edge toward the officer. That is part of the reason for protest around the country. Go watch Kelley Thomas get beat to death on video, then watch the police get off scott free. Grand jury is run by the prosecutor. You know the guy the cops have to work with on a regular basis. Darren Wilson was a high profile case, and they treated him like a witness, Very little to no cross examination by prosecutor. Makes ya wonder if he was coached by the prosecutor himself.
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Post by helencrump on Dec 26, 2014 23:30:55 GMT -6
Each one that i clicked on, was a Michael Brown case. In the wrong, and made continuing bad choices. So, just by the newspaper article, in your mind there was enough proof to execute the person? Unbelievable, your thought process is that limited. The number alone 1076 people just this year killed by police, is enough to scare the crap out of the avg. person. Unless your a cop, or related to one.
Not a cop. Not related to one. None of the incidents i clicked on were executed. The first one i randomly clicked on died of heart failure after scuffling with the police. As a nurse, i know that stress causes many health issues. As a nurse, i know that many things can be stressful. As a nurse, i know that stress can escalate. Would you not agree that committing a crime would not cause a certain amount of stress? Would you not also agree that getting caught for committing that crime might escalate the degree of stress? And doing something stupid, like resisting, further escalate the amount of stress? Then, how is it possible to then leap to this person being executed by the arresting officer? I'm sure that of the >1,ooo incidents listed, there were some that were at least questionable. The problem is that every criminal thinks that the law doesnt apply to them, and they get off time after time with a wrist slap. They push further and further, and to the point they end up confronting someone else with a gun. And either the cop or the criminal ends up dead. If its the cop, unless they are local, most never hear about it. If its the criminal, people like you cry foul. If there werent violent crimes happening every day, then cops wouldnt look at every person as a possible threat. Criminals face little repercussions these days. A half assed lawyer can get them off. Juries are afraid/unwilling to convict. Witnesses dont want to get involved. I do not believe there are that many 'bad' cops. But from reading posts on fb, there certainly are plenty of psychos running around with 'thug' mentalities.
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Post by helencrump on Dec 27, 2014 0:02:31 GMT -6
So, just by the newspaper article, in your mind there was enough proof to execute the person? Unbelievable, your thought process is that limited. The number alone 1076 people just this year killed by police, is enough to scare the crap out of the avg. person. Unless your a cop, or related to one.
She has a liberal mind, that is how they think. As a liberal, wouldnt i be calling for charges to be filed against all these cops? I think you get your labels confused at times. I personally dont like labels. I dont vote down any party lines, because i live my life by right and wrong, not by party leanings. I believe in accountability, but it starts with the criminal. The cop shouldnt be held accountable for the criminal screwing up. Every act sets in motion another. Once The criminal commits a crime, he sets the ball rolling. Its up to him if it stops with that crime, and he surrenders peacefully, or goes down fighting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 4:57:43 GMT -6
Dog the ball isn't in my court, as you say. The high number is my point. If the massive number doesn't get your attention. I'm not about to research 1,000 deaths to come up with the numbers you want. Also a grand jury has been known to edge toward the officer. That is part of the reason for protest around the country. Go watch Kelley Thomas get beat to death on video, then watch the police get off scott free. Grand jury is run by the prosecutor. You know the guy the cops have to work with on a regular basis. Darren Wilson was a high profile case, and they treated him like a witness, Very little to no cross examination by prosecutor. Makes ya wonder if he was coached by the prosecutor himself. I don't think that any reasonable person would disagree with you or not be upset about unprovoked, mistaken and illegal deaths caused by some police officers here in the United States of America. Sooooo...thank you for bringing it to our attention. Anyone interested in further action can join CACC - Citizens Against Corrupt Cops.
Anything else?
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Post by chevypower on Dec 27, 2014 6:00:31 GMT -6
She has a liberal mind, that is how they think. As a liberal, wouldnt i be calling for charges to be filed against all these cops? I think you get your labels confused at times. I personally dont like labels. I dont vote down any party lines, because i live my life by right and wrong, not by party leanings. I believe in accountability, but it starts with the criminal. The cop shouldnt be held accountable for the criminal screwing up. Every act sets in motion another. Once The criminal commits a crime, he sets the ball rolling. Its up to him if it stops with that crime, and he surrenders peacefully, or goes down fighting. You took all that from an article? judgment at it's best, and now you are saying liberals do not like cops?
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honestpolitician
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Post by honestpolitician on Dec 27, 2014 12:09:30 GMT -6
Still no answer to my questions. Bean, at the end of your post, you say (anything else?) Like you actually contributed to this thread,,,,,lol read all your post.
Dog you say that number is small. Compare it to other countries, I challenged anyone to find another country with just half that amount of killings. Nobody can because that number is to high.
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Post by dog on Dec 27, 2014 13:31:53 GMT -6
Go watch Kelley Thomas get beat to death on video, then watch the police get off scott free. Grand jury is run by the prosecutor. I took your advice and researched the Kelley Thomas incident. I have to admit, I dont remember hearing of this case. The pics I saw were brutal. You ask for accountibility. From what I gather, the case made it thru the grand jury , and these officers were found not guilty in a court of law. Am I correct that they were charged and then found not guilty?
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honestpolitician
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My username is a challenge. How many honest politicians can you find in this country
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Post by honestpolitician on Dec 27, 2014 13:39:17 GMT -6
That's my point dog. If you watched the entire video from start to finish. They murdered that man and still got off. Our system seems to be bias when it comes to police. The video clearly shows a man beaten to death as he moans, I can't breathe, daddy help me, they are killing me. While 6 police officers are beating on him. f**king disgrace
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Post by dog on Dec 27, 2014 13:49:20 GMT -6
That's my point dog. If you watched the entire video from start to finish. They murdered that man and still got off. Our system seems to be bias when it comes to police. The video clearly shows a man beaten to death as he moans, I can't breathe, daddy help me, they are killing me. While 6 police officers are beating on him. f**k**g disgrace You said this earlier: "How about just being held accountable for their actions, I would be happy with that. A citizen review board would be nice too". The point I am trying to make is there was a "citizens review board" in the form of a jury that found the officers not guilty. These werent the police or the prosecutor that found them not guilty, it was ordinary people like you and me. In this particular instance, how would you change the system to hold the police "accountable"?
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Post by Blue Star on Dec 27, 2014 14:18:20 GMT -6
Isn't the middle east part of "other" countries?
I do believe many from there or parts of the groups from there, all over the world have VERY much higher death rates, and NOT from thugs/criminals, killing innocent people.
9-11 soon forgotten??
Oh, & Mexican POs?
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Post by helencrump on Dec 27, 2014 18:24:16 GMT -6
As a liberal, wouldnt i be calling for charges to be filed against all these cops? I think you get your labels confused at times. I personally dont like labels. I dont vote down any party lines, because i live my life by right and wrong, not by party leanings. I believe in accountability, but it starts with the criminal. The cop shouldnt be held accountable for the criminal screwing up. Every act sets in motion another. Once The criminal commits a crime, he sets the ball rolling. Its up to him if it stops with that crime, and he surrenders peacefully, or goes down fighting. You took all that from an article? judgment at it's best, and now you are saying liberals do not like cops? Sigh. You labeled me. You tried to say you knew what/how i think. I simply clarified my thoughs. Nothing in that statement refers to any article. I clearly stated " 'I' believe". Not 'i read'.
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Post by helencrump on Dec 27, 2014 18:30:20 GMT -6
And, i said nothing about not liking cops. I said calling for charges against these cops.
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Post by helencrump on Dec 27, 2014 19:04:15 GMT -6
That's my point dog. If you watched the entire video from start to finish. They murdered that man and still got off. Our system seems to be bias when it comes to police. The video clearly shows a man beaten to death as he moans, I can't breathe, daddy help me, they are killing me. While 6 police officers are beating on him. f**k**g disgrace You said this earlier: "How about just being held accountable for their actions, I would be happy with that. A citizen review board would be nice too". The point I am trying to make is there was a "citizens review board" in the form of a jury that found the officers not guilty. These werent the police or the prosecutor that found them not guilty, it was ordinary people like you and me. In this particular instance, how would you change the system to hold the police "accountable"? These policemen were charged, and put on trial. Just like every other person charged with a crime. And they were found not guilty just like many, many criminals every day, all over the nation. As i said above. It happens over and over. In order to protect the innocent from being found guilty, many criminals walk free. And continue their criminality, jeopardizing cops and our safety. I dont believe its a black vs white, or cop vs black, or cop vs citizen problem. I believe its a CRIMINAL VS SOCIETY issue. While law abidig citizens are worried that their rights are being taken away, criminals are finding that they have more rights than victims. And its showing in their 'you cant touch me' attitudes
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honestpolitician
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Post by honestpolitician on Dec 28, 2014 2:26:41 GMT -6
That's my point dog. If you watched the entire video from start to finish. They murdered that man and still got off. Our system seems to be bias when it comes to police. The video clearly shows a man beaten to death as he moans, I can't breathe, daddy help me, they are killing me. While 6 police officers are beating on him. f**k**g disgrace You said this earlier: "How about just being held accountable for their actions, I would be happy with that. A citizen review board would be nice too". The point I am trying to make is there was a "citizens review board" in the form of a jury that found the officers not guilty. These werent the police or the prosecutor that found them not guilty, it was ordinary people like you and me. In this particular instance, how would you change the system to hold the police "accountable"? I don't know the answers dog. Maybe start with police not investigating themselves. Internal affairs don't cross that blue line when they are suppose to. Therefor you have " I investigated myself and found no wrong doing. Other than that I don't know, beside making people aware of this high number. Funny blue brings up 9/11, theres a website, that I won't mention on here, There is an on going statement about how 9/11 killed around 2500 Americans, since then police have killed over 10,000, but it's ok, they were bad people? ? Also blue, I meant civilized country, unless you want to compare our country to an uncivilized country. to justify the numbers. . I thought we were the best country, not the worst. These numbers are the worst in this civilized world. Along with a prison population that has more than all other civilized countries combined. Once again, I don't hate police. I hate the system they have to follow and the system that covers them when they commit crimes. They have very little to no training dealing with the mentally ill. If you read some of the articles on that web page of killings, a good percentage are mentally challenged. Just though of one. A young kid had downs syndrome, and didn't want to leave movie theater, they tased , beat him and drug him out of theater, he died as a result. Dog, you said the cops that beat Kelley Thomas went on trial and was found not guilty. Now I challenge anyone to watch that video, Look past the uniform, like it was just a bunch of people. If someone thinks that isn't beating someone to death, then I am at a loss for words. Think about it dog, the buddy/ coworker / prosecutor builds the case against these officers. Think the prosecutor would be fired for doing a bad job???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 6:09:24 GMT -6
Still no answer to my questions. Bean, at the end of your post, you say (anything else?) Like you actually contributed to this thread,,,,,lol read all your post. Dog you say that number is small. Compare it to other countries, I challenged anyone to find another country with just half that amount of killings. Nobody can because that number is to high. You want forum members to research an answer to your "challenge?"
I'll concede you your numbers and now ask you...where do you want to go with the discussion now?
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