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Post by helencrump on Oct 28, 2014 9:45:26 GMT -6
Is it my imagination, or is the asphalt a lower grade than in years past? I've been handling the frustration of all the construction on 39, 55, and 74 by looking forward to nice smooth ribbons of highway. 39 is progressing, but I feel the surface is rough and im wondering how long it will last. Towanda Barnes and the Gridley/Flanagan blacktop are nice. It seems there's a difference in the quality. Am I just imagining that? Another coworker that has the bloomington area saidthe same thing about the difference in surfaces.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 10:28:18 GMT -6
I have not noticed that so much, but I have noticed they are more apt to use asphalt now instead of Concrete. I think they are paving over the concrete on 39 with asphalt. That doesn't seem right, especially on an interstate for truck traffic. I guess that way they can trot out the construction workers again in 3-5 years instead of 10-12. You can't tell me Illinois isn't a bunch of crooks. Isn't it time we all demand better from our elected officials??? Vote them all out. At least the new ones will have to be paid for all over again. I can tell you from riding the bike on them that not all new roads are the same......Right now the farm traffic seems to be pretty hard on many of the side roads also..A lot more semis hauling grain out of the fields nowadays...
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Post by helencrump on Oct 28, 2014 10:58:01 GMT -6
On 39 they took out the old, put new concrete, and rebar in, and covered with asphalt. But, it's rough in many places. And 74 is a mess of patches to champaign. Its infuriating knowing that repairs are being made, but probably wont last. Why do them at all?
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Post by dive61364 on Oct 28, 2014 14:24:59 GMT -6
they are just doing enough to kick the can down the road so the next person in office has the headache.
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Post by ironeagle on Oct 28, 2014 14:55:00 GMT -6
Blame the way the Highway bills are Written nothing else. The Contracts state that they are required to use the Cheapest Materials needed to meet the Specs and also there are No Warranties what so ever in Road Construction. Meaning someone that would have done a Better Job with Better Materials that would last 20 Years before the road even started to WEAR OUT is not even Considered. The Highway Bills state as Cheap as Possible and screw how long it Lasts. Why it means more Jobs for Union Workers in the Operators Unions. Basically if your hitting a Pothole Blame the Government and the UNIONS of this nation that do not allow Warranty time for their Road Work. Over in Germany on the Autobahn the Contractor that makes the Repair has to Stand behind the work for a MIN time of IIRC of 20 Years and if anything goes wrong during that time they are REQUIRED TO REPAIR THE ROAD FOR FREE.
How many times has the Decking been replaced on the Lincoln Bridge on I-39 already. 3-4 Times over in Germany that contractor that Built the Bridge would have had to done all those Repairs OUT OF HIS POCKET. Not the Taxpayers of IL.
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Post by northsider on Oct 29, 2014 6:04:00 GMT -6
There are several main factors that cause roads to fail and they have nothing to do with contractors, unions or how contracts are written. They are freeze thaw cycles, salt to melt snow, and number and weight of truck traffic. Contractors are not required to choose the cheapest materials they are required to meet the specs and if they have a supplier that can provide an equal product at a lower cost it must be approved before they can use it. If you want a twenty year warranty for roadwork all you would have to do is include that in the contract. You are fooling yourself if you think it's free. Go buy anything and when you are asked if you want the extended warranty see if it's free. If you want a 20 year warranty on a pavement you will pay multiple times for it upfront. If you want roadways to last, stop salting the roads and put 20000 lb weight limits on all roads. See how that works out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 6:35:31 GMT -6
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Post by helencrump on Oct 29, 2014 8:45:48 GMT -6
There are several main factors that cause roads to fail and they have nothing to do with contractors, unions or how contracts are written. They are freeze thaw cycles, salt to melt snow, and number and weight of truck traffic. Contractors are not required to choose the cheapest materials they are required to meet the specs and if they have a supplier that can provide an equal product at a lower cost it must be approved before they can use it. If you want a twenty year warranty for roadwork all you would have to do is include that in the contract. You are fooling yourself if you think it's free. Go buy anything and when you are asked if you want the extended warranty see if it's free. If you want a 20 year warranty on a pavement you will pay multiple times for it upfront. If you want roadways to last, stop salting the roads and put 20000 lb weight limits on all roads. See how that works out. It still seems that 39 is already set to deteriorate, and its not even completed yet. It seems as if it's not as dense in some places, as others. Wouldn't that make it crumble and crack faster under use? And even faster under harsh conditions?
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Post by northsider on Oct 29, 2014 8:49:47 GMT -6
Asphalt is laid in multiple coarses with different size aggregate(stone).They might not have the surface coarse of asphalt on yet. The binder course of asphalt is usually not as smooth as the final surface coarse.
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Post by helencrump on Oct 29, 2014 12:13:49 GMT -6
I see. Well, I hope thats the case. Will have to watch for that. I've been avoiding that area whenever I can, but some days, there's no avoiding it.
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Post by chevypower on Oct 29, 2014 23:03:58 GMT -6
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS ON BUDGET CUTS, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 5:57:04 GMT -6
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Post by helencrump on Oct 30, 2014 8:15:06 GMT -6
That's true, jimb. Did not think of it from that aspect.
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Post by dumdave on Oct 30, 2014 9:12:12 GMT -6
Good points. bump
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Post by dumdave on Oct 30, 2014 10:10:14 GMT -6
bump again. enough for me today bye
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