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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 11:04:40 GMT -6
A first grader was forced to sit on the floor for four weeks as punishment for drawing on her desk. news.msn.com/us/video?videoid=d639956d-644f-6bc5-faf4-0482b2d45b27
You have to wonder what OTHER crap this teacher has done to children!
The video article said that she had been "reprimanded."
She needed to be fired.
Also...where the hell was her supervisor or other teachers for 4 effing weeks! I can't believe no one else knew about this!!
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Post by chevypower on Aug 3, 2014 11:22:17 GMT -6
That is flat out abuse to a child, I would be doing something to have Her fired , then sue the School for punitive damages. Because that little stunt the Teacher pulled will have a great bearing on this child as she grows up.
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Post by rocket on Aug 3, 2014 12:32:45 GMT -6
Sadly this teacher won't get fired. Teacher unions all across the U.S. are strong and have a clause in their contract that prevents any teacher from getting fired.
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Post by father of two on Aug 3, 2014 13:53:37 GMT -6
Sadly rocket you are mistaken. There is no clause in the teachers contract that prevents it. In the first 4 years Of employment a teacher can not be rehired if the district decides not to do so. After 4 years a teacher is granted tenure. It then gets more difficult to release a teacher but it can still be done depending on circumstances.
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Post by helencrump on Aug 3, 2014 13:59:14 GMT -6
I agree, mm. she was being taught that if you dont take care of what you are given, then you will loose that item. cause and effect. responsibility. maybe some of streators vandals shouldve been made to clean up their doodles and lost their desk/book etc whenThey were in kindergarden/1st/2nd grade!!
i remember having my desk moved out in the hallway for an entire day when I was in school, because the kid next to me was talking to the one on the other side of me, and the teacher thought it was me. I missed the entire day of class, was isolated from my peers, was publicly humiliated...of course I didn't feel that way then...I've learned that's what I should've felt by reading all the comments by whiny moms that are out to defend their offspring from every negative thing that might come their way. I haven't needed counseling, I don't have sleepless nights because of it, and I was just as social as ever, after it happened. I also told my mom about it when I got home. She did not jump on her broom and run right to the school. She didn't threaten to get the teacher fired, or to sue the teacher, principle, or school. What she did do, was ask if I ever talked out of turn in class (of course I had) and had not been reprimanded? She told me to consider it punishment for all those times.
I fear for this generation of kids and their kids. They will go out into the world completely unprepared for any disappointment, unprepared to face failure, and most of all, unaware that if they screw up, they could actually suffer the consequences. Which is how many end up in jail.
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Post by rocket on Aug 3, 2014 14:04:12 GMT -6
If so deem you are correct,then why don't the board fight to fire teachers that teach poorly. Noticed how many kids in society that cannot read or spell ? Lack of education due to poor teaching should be a priority to fire these teachers that can't teach. The hell with the laws in place,if a teacher teaches poorly even after 4yrs and getting tenure,they should be fired. Our kids is our future to running this country,and people would rather have highly educated people running this country,not uneducated ones. A better education=a better country.
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Post by helencrump on Aug 3, 2014 14:24:09 GMT -6
Rocket, in most cases, it has nothing to do with the teacher when little MINI ME can't spell or read. It is more that the parents have not set good study/reading habits at home. A lot of kids have no encouragement to complete their homework, no one who even asks if they have any, let alone check it for completion and corrections. They have no bedtime, and eat a plethora of sugary treats, with little nutritional value, to feed their brains.
But, yeah...try having that teacher attempt to hold little MINI ME back to repeat the grade...mom or dad, or BOTH will swoop down and put a stop to that. Did you pay attention to what thread you were posting on?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 14:28:54 GMT -6
I agree, mm. she was being taught that if you dont take care of what you are given, then you will loose that item. cause and effect. responsibility. maybe some of streators vandals shouldve been made to clean up their doodles and lost their desk/book etc whenThey were in kindergarden/1st/2nd grade!! i remember having my desk moved out in the hallway for an entire day when I was in school, because the kid next to me was talking to the one on the other side of me, and the teacher thought it was me. I missed the entire day of class, was isolated from my peers, was publicly humiliated...of course I didn't feel that way then...I've learned that's what I should've felt by reading all the comments by whiny moms that are out to defend their offspring from every negative thing that might come their way. I haven't needed counseling, I don't have sleepless nights because of it, and I was just as social as ever, after it happened. I also told my mom about it when I got home. She did not jump on her broom and run right to the school. She didn't threaten to get the teacher fired, or to sue the teacher, principle, or school. What she did do, was ask if I ever talked out of turn in class (of course I had) and had not been reprimanded? She told me to consider it punishment for all those times. I fear for this generation of kids and their kids. They will go out into the world completely unprepared for any disappointment, unprepared to face failure, and most of all, unaware that if they screw up, they could actually suffer the consequences. Which is how many end up in jail. She's 6 years old! The teacher made her clean it up, she had to go to the principal, and she missed recess. That was ENOUGH and what happened to you was over the top, too!
Good God, people!! Is everybody losing their minds!?
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Post by helencrump on Aug 3, 2014 15:04:07 GMT -6
That's my exact feelings. Has everyone gone mad? If kids don't start seeing some form of strict punishment for unruly behavior, we will have more and more dysfunctional kids and families.
At 6 years old, you should know what is appropriate to write on, and what isn't.
I myself, learned many lessons from that one incident.
First, that your friends are not going to stick their neck out for you. That was probably the MOST valuable lesson to learn at such a young age. It kept me pretty safe in my latter tween/teen years, dealing with peer pressure.
Second, that you will survive unjust punishment.
Third, if someone is doing something they aren't suppose to, and you stick your nose in it (by looking back n forth at the 2 to follow their conversation) you could find yourself considered a party to the fact.
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Post by chevypower on Aug 3, 2014 17:25:34 GMT -6
That is flat out abuse to a child, I would be doing something to have Her fired , then sue the School for punitive damages. Because that little stunt the Teacher pulled will have a great bearing on this child as she grows up. ...........Like........She won't ever write on a desk again? ? That IS a strong punishment. Do you think all students all over the world have a desk to sit at? Let's put it in perspective a little. She wasn't starved, beaten, exposed to freezing weather, etc. She had to sit on the floor. Would one day without a desk been an APPROPRIATE punishment? I honestly think that denying her use of a desk for a short period of time seems appropriate. I think the idea would be to take care of the stuff provided for her use and not take it for granted. Do you think it is BETTER to let kids just mark graffiti all over public and private property? Is it wrong to try to correct bad behavior? Do you really think this incident will 'scar her for life'? I mean it COULD......maybe our kids need to be toughened up a little bit emotionally if that is the case. That's because you are not looking at the big picture MM, The Teacher put the child out there to be teased etc don't you think that the child may have paid an overly price for what She did? and for how long? I stand behind my view! Abused!
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Post by chevypower on Aug 3, 2014 17:28:34 GMT -6
I agree, mm. she was being taught that if you dont take care of what you are given, then you will loose that item. cause and effect. responsibility. maybe some of streators vandals shouldve been made to clean up their doodles and lost their desk/book etc whenThey were in kindergarden/1st/2nd grade!! i remember having my desk moved out in the hallway for an entire day when I was in school, because the kid next to me was talking to the one on the other side of me, and the teacher thought it was me. I missed the entire day of class, was isolated from my peers, was publicly humiliated...of course I didn't feel that way then...I've learned that's what I should've felt by reading all the comments by whiny moms that are out to defend their offspring from every negative thing that might come their way. I haven't needed counseling, I don't have sleepless nights because of it, and I was just as social as ever, after it happened. I also told my mom about it when I got home. She did not jump on her broom and run right to the school. She didn't threaten to get the teacher fired, or to sue the teacher, principle, or school. What she did do, was ask if I ever talked out of turn in class (of course I had) and had not been reprimanded? She told me to consider it punishment for all those times. I fear for this generation of kids and their kids. They will go out into the world completely unprepared for any disappointment, unprepared to face failure, and most of all, unaware that if they screw up, they could actually suffer the consequences. Which is how many end up in jail. That is very different having your desk outside of the classroom rather than being sat on the floor for a month! DON'T YOU THINK?
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Post by chevypower on Aug 3, 2014 17:31:40 GMT -6
Rocket, in most cases, it has nothing to do with the teacher when little MINI ME can't spell or read. It is more that the parents have not set good study/reading habits at home. A lot of kids have no encouragement to complete their homework, no one who even asks if they have any, let alone check it for completion and corrections. They have no bedtime, and eat a plethora of sugary treats, with little nutritional value, to feed their brains. But, yeah...try having that teacher attempt to hold little MINI ME back to repeat the grade...mom or dad, or BOTH will swoop down and put a stop to that. Did you pay attention to what thread you were posting on? INSTEAD OF ME SAYING ANYTHING.....READ THE BOOK WAITING FOR SUPERMAN, THAT SUMS IT ALL UP. LEMON SHUFFLE AT ITS BEST!
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Post by fishman on Aug 3, 2014 17:51:57 GMT -6
I don't see what is so bad about the punishment, I don't see that she was physically harmed. Our teachers are put under a lot more pressure now due to lack of parenting. I went to St. Anthony's in the 60's and sitting on the floor is a cake walk compared to some of the stuff we (the trouble makers) had to do. The Nuns and lay teachers had our parents support 100 %, and guess what I'm glad they gave a darn and did what they did. Maybe we should look to the past.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 19:18:17 GMT -6
I don't see what is so bad about the punishment, I don't see that she was physically harmed. Our teachers are put under a lot more pressure now due to lack of parenting. I went to St. Anthony's in the 60's and sitting on the floor is a cake walk compared to some of the stuff we (the trouble makers) had to do. The Nuns and lay teachers had our parents support 100 %, and guess what I'm glad they gave a darn and did what they did. Maybe we should look to the past....... She's a precious 6 year old girl who wrote on her desk, for God's sake!!! In MY book, she's still a baby!
Her very presence in that classroom dictates that she be provided the best environment possible in which to learn schoolwork, not cater to the warped discipline ideas of a misguided adult.
Given some of the attitudes I see expressed here and given the jackasses teachers deal with at the junior high and high school levels - please tell the forum what kind of disciplinary measures should be enforced at THOSE levels?
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Post by helencrump on Aug 3, 2014 23:09:33 GMT -6
How do you think they became jack@sses? By teaching them right from wrong from an early age, or by letting them do as they please, with no consequences?
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