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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 18, 2015 11:16:00 GMT -6
Yes, I requested that they rescind the ordinance immediately since the local election is just several weeks away, making time of the essence, not allowing time to create a proper, reasonable ordinance. Why, do you think it will create some hugely dire circumstances here without the ordinance that isn't even followed and didn't even exist until just recently? Kyle, LOL! I don't see any other downtown businesses closing up and moving out of town due to this ordinance. Have you given any thought about your son's "business model" simply not working in Streator? g Gee greek, are you really going to pretend that you know the reason that every business has left Streator? Are you also going to try to guarantee that the City's on-going policy of overly restrictive ordinances and treating business owners poorly has not discouraged any perspective businesses from coming here? Maybe you should have dog talk to people that he knows, I happen to know that he has talked to people who told us that the way the City of Streator treats business owners is why they don't want to have a business in Streator, despite doing a lot of business here. Because my son's business model was proving successful before the City's very public and false declaration of illegal and their targeting him with selective enforcement combined with there seeming to be so many other failed business models (one even shortly after taking $130,000.00 in public donations to save it), I am convinced that it is other factors keeping enough of anything working in Streator.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 18, 2015 11:20:07 GMT -6
Another example of you just trying and wanting to stir the pot Kyle. I truly feel sorry for you and wish you would look into some mental health recovery. You have some problems. Stirring the pot? Maybe you should read back to see who's hands are on the spoon in the snow removal pot. Isn't it interesting that anonymous, Willy, Mayor Lansford and some other City leaders all seem to like stirring the pot? There wasn't any good reason that I can see for anonymous to make the comment bringing my sidewalks into question. Then just no response to explain. Wasn't Willy just stirring the pot by making it out like he knew that my family was doing something that required his head turning because he didn't like what I had to say? Then no explanation. Since no one has been able to provide any explanation in our laws for the Mayor's industrial zoning requirement, doesn't it really seem like he was just trying to stir a pot? One time that I remember the Mayor keeping the pot from being stirred was four years ago when he was up for election and he over ruled the City Manager's prior approval and the Constitution claiming that cleaning up Streator and its image should not be discussed. It seems that he let the unenforced violence pot boil over with excessive numbers printed in the paper last year and it seems to have flared up to unsolved shoot outs, arsons (one murdering a child), bank robberies, a mugging, and who knows what else that they don't report. He seems to offer no solutions though. Thank you for your interest in my mental health, but it has already been discussed here at length. I admitted that I could be crazy, but that it isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are many well known people who have provided some great things throughout history while also having mental illness. Maybe a little bit of crazy is what is needed for people to invest in businesses in our downtown considering the City of Streator's overly restrictive ordinances and the way that they treat owners. Like I said before, in my opinion, a little bit of crazy would probably be better for Streator than the government corruption has been.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 18, 2015 11:23:22 GMT -6
I would love to be a fly on the wall when they get that email! Maybe instead of wishing to be flies on the wall, our City supporters here should contact their Council Members before tonight's meeting and encourage them to take immediate action on the snow removal ordinance. If they were to wait until after next month's START team recommendations (I don't believe overly restrictive snow removal ordinances making business owners illegal is even on their radar) to Council before changing this ordinance, it will be too late. The election will be over by then and will have already been tainted by the City's unfair ordinance making business owners illegal. The way that our City treats business is an issue in Streator. Making business owners illegal with an unreasonable ordinance that most would never be able to afford to comply with is not good for trying to attract businesses here. I am planning a very public campaign (other than SO) if they continue making business owners be illegal with their poorly written law. Do you really want to see letters in newspapers, facebook posts, etc. for the next several months to try to inform the public of how the City of Streator does treat business owners, to try to make sure that the Mayor doesn't drag his feet on it for years like he did with the outdoor merchandise ordinance? Do you really want to possibly hear me talking about a tainted election for the next four years? If they rescind the ridiculous, unreasonable ordinance tonight, I wouldn't have much to talk about on that subject. Maybe our City supporters here should really think about calling their buddies at City Hall and suggest that they get rid of the poorly written law tonight. Why keep it any longer at all?
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Post by dog on Feb 18, 2015 12:22:44 GMT -6
Maybe you should have dog talk to people that he knows, I happen to know that he has talked to people who told us that the way the City of Streator treats business owners is why they don't want to have a business in Streator, despite doing a lot of business here. Huh?
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Post by dog on Feb 18, 2015 12:44:19 GMT -6
I would love to be a fly on the wall when they get that email! Maybe instead of wishing to be flies on the wall, our City supporters here should contact their Council Members before tonight's meeting and encourage them to take immediate action on the snow removal ordinance. If they were to wait until after next month's START team recommendations (I don't believe overly restrictive snow removal ordinances making business owners illegal is even on their radar) to Council before changing this ordinance, it will be too late. The election will be over by then and will have already been tainted by the City's unfair ordinance making business owners illegal. The way that our City treats business is an issue in Streator. Making business owners illegal with an unreasonable ordinance that most would never be able to afford to comply with is not good for trying to attract businesses here. I am planning a very public campaign (other than SO) if they continue making business owners be illegal with their poorly written law. Do you really want to see letters in newspapers, facebook posts, etc. for the next several months to try to inform the public of how the City of Streator does treat business owners, to try to make sure that the Mayor doesn't drag his feet on it for years like he did with the outdoor merchandise ordinance? Do you really want to possibly hear me talking about a tainted election for the next four years? If they rescind the ridiculous, unreasonable ordinance tonight, I wouldn't have much to talk about on that subject. Maybe our City supporters here should really think about calling their buddies at City Hall and suggest that they get rid of the poorly written law tonight. Why keep it any longer at all? The ordinance doesnt need to be changed. I am referring to the word "adjacent" in the following line: "shall remove all snow and ice which may have fallen or accumulated upon the sidewalk adjacent to the premises owned or occupied by said person not later than 12:00 noon of the day after the ice or snow has ceased to fall or accumulate." Why wasnt the ordinance worded to say..... " remove all snow and ice which may have fallen or accumulated upon the ENTIRE sidewalk, from the curb to the premises owned or occupied by said person not later than 12:00 noon of the day after the ice or snow has ceased to fall or accumulate." Couldnt adjacent be refer to only PART of the sidewalk that common sense dictates be cleaned to allow safe pedestrian travel? The ordinance does NOT say the entire sidewalk, only the part that is adjacent. It appears that the intent of the ordinance is not to require the business owner clean the entire sidewalk, just the part of the sidewalk adjacent to the property to make it safe. Would you consider this a plausible explanation? If you dont agree with the explanation, and still feel you are right, by all means conduct a very public campaign. You do sound a little like a bully though, threatening them with a public campaign if they dont change the ordinance to your liking.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 18, 2015 15:30:17 GMT -6
Maybe instead of wishing to be flies on the wall, our City supporters here should contact their Council Members before tonight's meeting and encourage them to take immediate action on the snow removal ordinance. If they were to wait until after next month's START team recommendations (I don't believe overly restrictive snow removal ordinances making business owners illegal is even on their radar) to Council before changing this ordinance, it will be too late. The election will be over by then and will have already been tainted by the City's unfair ordinance making business owners illegal. The way that our City treats business is an issue in Streator. Making business owners illegal with an unreasonable ordinance that most would never be able to afford to comply with is not good for trying to attract businesses here. I am planning a very public campaign (other than SO) if they continue making business owners be illegal with their poorly written law. Do you really want to see letters in newspapers, facebook posts, etc. for the next several months to try to inform the public of how the City of Streator does treat business owners, to try to make sure that the Mayor doesn't drag his feet on it for years like he did with the outdoor merchandise ordinance? Do you really want to possibly hear me talking about a tainted election for the next four years? If they rescind the ridiculous, unreasonable ordinance tonight, I wouldn't have much to talk about on that subject. Maybe our City supporters here should really think about calling their buddies at City Hall and suggest that they get rid of the poorly written law tonight. Why keep it any longer at all? The ordinance doesnt need to be changed. I am referring to the word "adjacent" in the following line: "shall remove all snow and ice which may have fallen or accumulated upon the sidewalk adjacent to the premises owned or occupied by said person not later than 12:00 noon of the day after the ice or snow has ceased to fall or accumulate." Why wasnt the ordinance worded to say..... " remove all snow and ice which may have fallen or accumulated upon the ENTIRE sidewalk, from the curb to the premises owned or occupied by said person not later than 12:00 noon of the day after the ice or snow has ceased to fall or accumulate." Couldnt adjacent be refer to only PART of the sidewalk that common sense dictates be cleaned to allow safe pedestrian travel? The ordinance does NOT say the entire sidewalk, only the part that is adjacent. It appears that the intent of the ordinance is not to require the business owner clean the entire sidewalk, just the part of the sidewalk adjacent to the property to make it safe. Would you consider this a plausible explanation? If you dont agree with the explanation, and still feel you are right, by all means conduct a very public campaign. You do sound a little like a bully though, threatening them with a public campaign if they dont change the ordinance to your liking. Gee dog, Our City Manager responded to my email to the Council Members that talks about the unreasonable ordinance not being adhered to and creating an illegal status for business owners, he didn't even mention your "adjacent" theory or deny that business owners are illegal because of it. He indicated that they would get to it after the election. I replied back to explain that it would be too late then and that the lack of business and how our City leaders treat owners is an election issue. Do you really think I look like a bully, as an insignificant citizen standing up to the City of Streator? More important, do you think I care? After they targeted my family with being illegal when we weren't and our Mayor drug his feet for years on changing the outdoor merchandise display ordinance, do you think I should just wait to see how many years it takes for him to get around to letting business owners out of the unreasonable illegal status? Should we just leave all the buildings sit vacant for years because not many people want to be either illegal or broke business owners while we wait for him to act and then see how many of the buildings tax payers get to pay to demolish? I think they should just get rid of the poorly written law now, why wait?
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Post by mommytoo4 on Feb 18, 2015 16:16:06 GMT -6
I would love to be a fly on the wall when they get that email! Maybe instead of wishing to be flies on the wall, our City supporters here should contact their Council Members before tonight's meeting and encourage them to take immediate action on the snow removal ordinance. If they were to wait until after next month's START team recommendations (I don't believe overly restrictive snow removal ordinances making business owners illegal is even on their radar) to Council before changing this ordinance, it will be too late. The election will be over by then and will have already been tainted by the City's unfair ordinance making business owners illegal. The way that our City treats business is an issue in Streator. Making business owners illegal with an unreasonable ordinance that most would never be able to afford to comply with is not good for trying to attract businesses here. I am planning a very public campaign (other than SO) if they continue making business owners be illegal with their poorly written law. Do you really want to see letters in newspapers, facebook posts, etc. for the next several months to try to inform the public of how the City of Streator does treat business owners, to try to make sure that the Mayor doesn't drag his feet on it for years like he did with the outdoor merchandise ordinance? Do you really want to possibly hear me talking about a tainted election for the next four years? If they rescind the ridiculous, unreasonable ordinance tonight, I wouldn't have much to talk about on that subject. Maybe our City supporters here should really think about calling their buddies at City Hall and suggest that they get rid of the poorly written law tonight. Why keep it any longer at all? You didn't have many friends as a child did you? You were the kid that was always on the playground singing "I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna tell". You know it is to the point that even if we declared May 9th Kyle day, paved the streets in gold with your initials carved in them, you would say that day was picked because we knew you had plans and we knew you hated gold, it should have been platinum! You can keep talking all you want it is to the point it is like listening to Charlie Browns teacher all we hear is "blah blah blah",
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Post by greekgod on Feb 18, 2015 19:06:16 GMT -6
Kyle, LOL! I don't see any other downtown businesses closing up and moving out of town due to this ordinance. Have you given any thought about your son's "business model" simply not working in Streator? g Gee greek, are you really going to pretend that you know the reason that every business has left Streator? Kyle, LOL! You didn't answer a simple question. What a surprise. Do you see any other businesses closing and moving out of town due this ordinance? g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 19, 2015 8:09:30 GMT -6
Maybe instead of wishing to be flies on the wall, our City supporters here should contact their Council Members before tonight's meeting and encourage them to take immediate action on the snow removal ordinance. If they were to wait until after next month's START team recommendations (I don't believe overly restrictive snow removal ordinances making business owners illegal is even on their radar) to Council before changing this ordinance, it will be too late. The election will be over by then and will have already been tainted by the City's unfair ordinance making business owners illegal. The way that our City treats business is an issue in Streator. Making business owners illegal with an unreasonable ordinance that most would never be able to afford to comply with is not good for trying to attract businesses here. I am planning a very public campaign (other than SO) if they continue making business owners be illegal with their poorly written law. Do you really want to see letters in newspapers, facebook posts, etc. for the next several months to try to inform the public of how the City of Streator does treat business owners, to try to make sure that the Mayor doesn't drag his feet on it for years like he did with the outdoor merchandise ordinance? Do you really want to possibly hear me talking about a tainted election for the next four years? If they rescind the ridiculous, unreasonable ordinance tonight, I wouldn't have much to talk about on that subject. Maybe our City supporters here should really think about calling their buddies at City Hall and suggest that they get rid of the poorly written law tonight. Why keep it any longer at all? You didn't have many friends as a child did you? You were the kid that was always on the playground singing "I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna tell". You know it is to the point that even if we declared May 9th Kyle day, paved the streets in gold with your initials carved in them, you would say that day was picked because we knew you had plans and we knew you hated gold, it should have been platinum! You can keep talking all you want it is to the point it is like listening to Charlie Browns teacher all we hear is "blah blah blah", I had plenty of friends as a child, but what difference does that make in any of this? Are you trying to imply that there is something wrong with talking about things that I may think are wrong? If one kid on the playground sees another kid with a gun, should he just keep the information to himself? I feel that talking about what our City leaders do and the situations they create is the right of all citizens. They certainly don't refrain from "telling" about what my family does or what Willy might have thought we had done many years ago. anonymous certainly didn't shy away from "telling" about the snow removal on my sidewalks. If blah, blah, blah is all you hear, why do you even spend time reading it or worrying about it?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 19, 2015 8:11:59 GMT -6
Gee greek, are you really going to pretend that you know the reason that every business has left Streator? Kyle, LOL! You didn't answer a simple question. What a surprise. Do you see any other businesses closing and moving out of town due this ordinance? g gee greek, I didn't answer because I didn't think you really wanted an answer to such a stupid question. The answer is no. I didn't say that any businesses was closing or moving due to this ordinance either, did I? Do you think that because we don't have a specific business to point to that this specific ordinance has driven out that it makes the ridiculous requirement for business owners to remove all of the snow that came from the entire street and sidewalk as being inviting to perspective businesses here? Do you know that no perspective business has decided not to locate here because of the way that our City treats business owners? Those are pretty simple questions too. I didn't really expect that they would rescind the ordinance that makes many business owners illegal, but the request was part of the process. Obviously I do more than just talk about the problems on a public forum, I do get involved to try to make positive changes in our community. Ordinances that are not so overly restrictive that they are practically impossible to adhere to and generally not making many business owners illegal, would make Streator better in my opinion. Do you think that Mayor Landsford will make us wait for years until they can spend another six figure amount on a new set of "Plans" to see what people from somewhere else recommend for our community, as he did with the ordinance to allow legal participation in sidewalk sales?
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Post by dog on Feb 19, 2015 8:22:47 GMT -6
Maybe you should have dog talk to people that he knows, I happen to know that he has talked to people who told us that the way the City of Streator treats business owners is why they don't want to have a business in Streator, despite doing a lot of business here. Huh? Care to refresh my memory on this?
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Post by colplumb on Feb 19, 2015 17:54:48 GMT -6
So very right MaskedMan. It is a melt down for sure. Pretty sad. I would bet there was not even an email sent about this snow ordinance. Everything is just in his head. I know Kyle thinks I am Mayor Lansford even though I am obviously fake, but is there anyone here who can ask the right people if this so called urgent issue was ever actually brought to the council's attention via email? I would bet this is just more drama taking place in Kyle's head. He should be in the business of making movies instead of projecting them with all the craziness that takes place in his brain. Might be more interesting on the big screen.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 20, 2015 9:43:17 GMT -6
Care to refresh my memory on this? I think maybe you should start asking people why they don't have their own businesses in Streator.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 20, 2015 9:43:43 GMT -6
Sorry I have not tuned into this thread in months and have refrained from comment. No need to apologize. I did miss you and your wonderful analogies thaough. I've been waiting for the one about tickling the dragon's nose so that I could ask why the dragon doesn't doesn't just use its smelly over heated breathe to melt all the snow instead of trying to make business owners illegal if the don't haul away what the City wouldn't from the street. I always found it interesting that you see our government as something that we should be afraid of. What you didn't seem to understand is that just asking that our Liquor Commission not allow people pulling their pants down and beating each other up in the streets to keep families away from businesses like a movie palace, had already tickled the dragon's nose. Declaring my family as illegal was just the start of their burning the Mitchell Family. Comparing recent posts to earlier ones, I think a more suitable title might be 'Kyle's Meltdown'. Meltdown? Simply talking about what our City leaders have done and requesting a change is a meltdown? Wow! is it really in the Town's interest to launch such a smear campaign of Negativity? (even if you feel, in your opinion, it's true) How would such a smear campaign possibly bear fruit? Smear Campaign? I've always thought of a smear campaign as one that spreads untrue negative information about someone. I have tried hard to only say things that are true, many times causing me to add "weasel words" to keep from saying anything that is not true and always willing to correct myself when wrong. Many of the things that I talk about are documented, whether in newspaper articles, letters to and from the City, or videos. In your parenthesis statement you seem to imply that I am talking about things that are not true. What is it that I say that you think is not true? Many people here do see the things that I talk about as problems, as actually being acceptable. To those people, my talking about our City leaders should not be a negative thing. Talking about what government leaders do online and in letters to the newspaper is done countless times every day by many people all across the country. This is just one insignificant citizen's opinion on a little thread (oldtimer says only five people read it) and letters to the newspaper get lost in the pages. I really don't see it as a smear campaign. I see it as talking about the problems that I see and want corrected, asking for better from our leaders. Have I asked them for anything bad? The "fruit" would be having them start to do things differently and provide better for the community. Now on the other hand if a big powerful City administration with a lot of authority were to make claims that people were illegal when in fact they were not and announce it to the entire community on the cover of the newspaper above the fold and then refuse to admit that they were wrong about it, I would consider that a smear campaign. I think you just have an axe to grind and would love to see Streator go downhill faster. The City started grinding their axe on my family first, have a much larger grinding wheel, and obviously they haven't stopped. Quit pissing in the pool and telling us all you are heating the water for our enjoyment. Actually I was potty trained a long time ago and know not to be urinating in public so that I don't smell the place up and expose myself to family people in the area. It is a shame that so many of the bar's customers seem to lack that training. We aint buying it and we are getting weary of it. That almost sounds like you are getting angry about it. I don't see it as anying to be upset about. I am just talking about what does happen here,you certainly don't have to read it. I don't see many supporters for anything you say any more Kyle. I don't need people to come out and say that they support anything I talk about for me to keep talking about what I think is right and wrong. I have not been posting on here to try to get any new people behind me. I have been posting on here for the City leaders and their may supporters that are here. I try to make sure that they are constantly reminded that the problems do go unsolved. Besides, If any supporters were to speak up to support what I say, couldn't that be considered tickling the dragons nose? Don't you think that there are many who just don't want to get burned? That is also why some people don't want to have their own business here. I really do hope you have a happy life. We all deserve that. Thanks for your concern. I do have a very happy life. Sell your interests, chalk it up to experience and move on.(I hope to a happier place) That sounds easy, but I can not do that even if I wanted to. Wouldn't that require a buyer? There doesn't seem to be much of anyone buying anything in downtown Streator. There has to be people willing to pay more than the $15K & 20K prices that downtown buildings have been selling for, to make selling a possibility for me. These days banks generally won't even lend for purchases above appraised values, which are based on how much other buildings sell for in the area. I know that other property owners have tried and tried to sell their commercial properties here before deciding to just donate them to the City. I have a mortgage to pay, I can't do that. Nice hearing from you maskedman.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Feb 20, 2015 9:48:01 GMT -6
So very right MaskedMan. It is a melt down for sure. Pretty sad. I would bet there was not even an email sent about this snow ordinance. Everything is just in his head. I know Kyle thinks I am Mayor Lansford even though I am obviously fake, but is there anyone here who can ask the right people if this so called urgent issue was ever actually brought to the council's attention via email? I would bet this is just more drama taking place in Kyle's head. He should be in the business of making movies instead of projecting them with all the craziness that takes place in his brain. Might be more interesting on the big screen. You come on here several times insisting that you are Mayor Lansford and talking with a foul mouth about fighting tourists and destroying the community, and you are worried about whether I am telling the truth about sending an email to Council Members? Why don't you call one of our City leaders and ask them for yourself? Are you afraid of them too? You could try wearing a fire-proof suit.
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