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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 31, 2014 18:01:56 GMT -6
Well now thousands could mean a lot of things. It could be as few as 2000. He said thousands(s), so it is plural. But it could mean 100,000, 500,000 on up to 999,999.....one short of a MILLION. WOW...that's a lot. Who needs the Super Bowl or INDY 500? I never knew that is all it was holding us back. I don't think the Chicago Speedway even packs in that kind of a crowd. Here I thought it had something to do with a poor economy, a bankrupt state, entire generations of entitlement programs of people not working anymore, other entertainment options and all sorts of other things. Stupid me, all we have to do is stop some fights, public urination and over serving and they will all come flocking to Streator. Gosh, we had better add on to the Theater, fire up a second popcorn popper and maybe build a few new subdivisions while we are at it. I am sure we will have a housing shortage and an excess of good paying jobs. If we could just stop over serving and all the problems associated with it....... Now to keep things in context and in defense of Kyle, it is indeed possible that over the course of years, it could be possible that the Majestic has lost a few thousand customers due to bar fights. I don't really believe it is that much, but that is why I am asking. I am assuming that is what he was talking about. My question to him was in terms of a per nightly or per showing loss. I am willing to guess that it costs them a family or two a night at the most. I deferred to him for answers since he used to run the place. My recollection from going there, was unless it was a major blockbuster, or special event, they were lucky to be filled to 25% of capacity. I was looking for justification for his claims that bar fights were the major cause for the 75% empty seats. No, I wasn't thinking that it would account for 75% of the vacant seats. I know that they had nowhere near an average of 25% of the seats filled either. I think they were lucky most of the time if they had an average of 25 people per show. I think it is more than two families a night, but two families would be about $50 at the box office and about another $30 at concession, that's about $30,000 a year. I wonder if an extra $150k for the five years Tim ran the business would still make him see the business as a failure to board the place up?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 31, 2014 18:04:48 GMT -6
The economy isn't near as bad now as it was five years ago, is it? But yet according to an article in the WSJ from Mar 25 of this year, US theater attendance is continuing to decline: "LAS VEGAS—America's moviegoing audience shrank yet again in 2013, and theater owners are considering a radical idea to turn the tide: cutting ticket prices. Well, at least some of the time. A report from the Motion Picture Association of America released Tuesday said that domestic movie box-office sales rose to $10.9 billion last year, from $10.8 billion in 2012. But the increase was the result of higher ticket prices, not attendance. Indeed, the number of tickets sold slipped yet again, this time 1.5% to 1.34 billion from 1.36 billion. That extends a longstanding trend: The number of tickets sold fell nearly 11% between 2004 and 2013, according to the report, while box office revenue increased 17%. With home-entertainment options improving all the time— whether streamed movies and television, video games, or mobile apps—and studios releasing fewer movies, people are less likely to head to their local multiplex." When I read stuff like this, I cant hardly believe that bar problems are the primary and/or significant reason the Majestic closed. So they are figuring out that raising ticket prices to pay for the expensive digital expansion has hurt attendance and are now considering lowering them to bring attendance back and you are trying to use it to justify the unique theatre with the lowest prices around and that didn't have to raise them to pay for digital not having enough attendance for years and years? I don't understand your logic in that explanation.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 31, 2014 18:05:05 GMT -6
Sure, they can ask, but since they typically just ignore requests and do not take action to correct the problems, it doesn't do much good. Our City's uninviting attitude towards business is a problem, in my opinion. From my experience, being able to have a voice at election time could be much more productive in creating the change needed. The city didn't address Walmart's requests and concerns that they asked for? Did you miss where I said "typically"? It is just my opinion from my experience of attending a lot of City meetings.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 31, 2014 18:05:40 GMT -6
Perfect example! I was just stating my opinion as was asked of me and you come back claiming that I am lying and insinuating that I can not read. Yes, I can read, but why should I have to accept that dog gets to determine how much significance I can put on anything? I don't get to determine how much significance you put on anything. I am only trying point out to you that the majority see the problem, but also feel those problems rate very low in importance. How you know how "the majority" feel? Even if others rate it as very low importance (even with no movie theatre) how should that make it acceptable for people to attack me for stating my opinion of the importance of the problems?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Oct 31, 2014 18:07:24 GMT -6
Is Ace really a place that expects to get a majority of its business from attracting families to their store? Are they making as much money as they possibly could? I hardly ever see lines at all four registers. Couldn't they possibly hire a few more employees and have later hours if more people weren't reluctant to come to our downtown? Did the movie theater get a majority of their business from showing G and PG rated movies? You managed the place. What percentage of the shows were family rated, and what were R rated? How did the attendance numbers compare? I don't think it would be cost effective for Ace to be open much later then they are now. We had a hardware store out at Northpoint. They stayed open late and were far away from any bars, and still couldn't make it. Family product absolutely produced the best and we tried to concentrate on that whenever we could. I don't have percentages for you. My point was that if more people were willing to come to Streator, Ace and other places could be doing more business. With their hours and type of customers, I doubt that they are affected as much as something like the Majestic, but do feel that it affects all business in town and don't think it is right. You can think it is no big deal, but I don't think the results of allowing it to go on year after year have been good.
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Post by dog on Nov 1, 2014 9:02:10 GMT -6
Now to keep things in context and in defense of Kyle, it is indeed possible that over the course of years, it could be possible that the Majestic has lost a few thousand customers due to bar fights. I don't really believe it is that much, but that is why I am asking. I am assuming that is what he was talking about. My question to him was in terms of a per nightly or per showing loss. I am willing to guess that it costs them a family or two a night at the most. I deferred to him for answers since he used to run the place. My recollection from going there, was unless it was a major blockbuster, or special event, they were lucky to be filled to 25% of capacity. I was looking for justification for his claims that bar fights were the major cause for the 75% empty seats. No, I wasn't thinking that it would account for 75% of the vacant seats. I know that they had nowhere near an average of 25% of the seats filled either. I think they were lucky most of the time if they had an average of 25 people per show. I think it is more than two families a night, but two families would be about $50 at the box office and about another $30 at concession, that's about $30,000 a year. I wonder if an extra $150k for the five years Tim ran the business would still make him see the business as a failure to board the place up? Ok, lets just say you are right and it is indeed more than 2 families a night. Lets say it is 25 people per show. So if it wasnt for bar violence, a 550 seat movie palace only has 50 patrons in it. Why are you focusing on such a small number of patrons, when the bigger problem is the 500 or 90% empty seats that remain even after the loss due to bar violence is figured in. 120 more families would add about $1.8 million a year.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 1, 2014 11:59:10 GMT -6
No, I wasn't thinking that it would account for 75% of the vacant seats. I know that they had nowhere near an average of 25% of the seats filled either. I think they were lucky most of the time if they had an average of 25 people per show. I think it is more than two families a night, but two families would be about $50 at the box office and about another $30 at concession, that's about $30,000 a year. I wonder if an extra $150k for the five years Tim ran the business would still make him see the business as a failure to board the place up? Ok, lets just say you are right and it is indeed more than 2 families a night. Lets say it is 25 people per show. So if it wasnt for bar violence, a 550 seat movie palace only has 50 patrons in it. Why are you focusing on such a small number of patrons, when the bigger problem is the 500 or 90% empty seats that remain even after the loss due to bar violence is figured in. 120 more families would add about $1.8 million a year. What makes you say that I am focusing on a small number? The 25 number was yours, not mine. Who says that it couldn't be more? Yes, I agree that the Majestic had great potential for bigger numbers with such a large theatre, 120 more families would be great, but I think there are too many people reluctant to come here for those numbers to become reality. Maybe if the City were to address the problems, businesses like that could at least survive.
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Post by helencrump on Nov 1, 2014 12:29:34 GMT -6
Lets face facts. There's proven numbers showing that people come here for many activities that take place in the evenings downtown. Cruise night, light up streator the movies in the park, etc. Kyle is never going to face that the poor showings had little to do with bar violence and public urination.
I would like to know if the family that he spoke about witnessing the man who got out of his truck to urinate has been back to streator. I dont remember where he said they lived.
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Post by dog on Nov 1, 2014 12:38:54 GMT -6
Ok, lets just say you are right and it is indeed more than 2 families a night. Lets say it is 25 people per show. So if it wasnt for bar violence, a 550 seat movie palace only has 50 patrons in it. Why are you focusing on such a small number of patrons, when the bigger problem is the 500 or 90% empty seats that remain even after the loss due to bar violence is figured in. 120 more families would add about $1.8 million a year. What makes you say that I am focusing on a small number? The 25 number was yours, not mine. Who says that it couldn't be more? Yes, I agree that the Majestic had great potential for bigger numbers with such a large theatre, 120 more families would be great, but I think there are too many people reluctant to come here for those numbers to become reality. Look, I have given you my opinion and generously said that twice as many people would come if it weren't for the bar problems. You said 25 people on average for a show, I doubled that, which made it 50. Personally I don't think it is any more than 25 per night. You ask "who says it couldn't be more" and "I think there are too many people reluctant to come here". You obviously have to have some number in your mind for you to make that statement. I am not looking for a factual number, just an educated guess on your part.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 1, 2014 12:40:06 GMT -6
Lets face facts. There's proven numbers showing that people come here for many activities that take place in the evenings downtown. Cruise night, light up streator the movies in the park, etc. Kyle is never going to face that the poor showings had little to do with bar violence and public urination. I would like to know if the family that he spoke about witnessing the man who got out of his truck to urinate has been back to streator. I dont remember where he said they lived. There aren't any proven facts that the numbers for those events couldn't be even larger if the bar violence and public urination didn't keep supporting the reputation that keeps people away, correct?
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Post by mommytoo4 on Nov 1, 2014 12:51:57 GMT -6
Lets face facts. There's proven numbers showing that people come here for many activities that take place in the evenings downtown. Cruise night, light up streator the movies in the park, etc. Kyle is never going to face that the poor showings had little to do with bar violence and public urination. I would like to know if the family that he spoke about witnessing the man who got out of his truck to urinate has been back to streator. I dont remember where he said they lived. Helen, just go to your tool chest and take out the hammer and hit yourself in the head with it, it won't be as painful as trying to reason with "Mr. Has all the answers"!!!!
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Post by chevypower on Nov 1, 2014 12:55:29 GMT -6
Mommytoo4, this should be the summary of this whole thread lol.
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Post by chevypower on Nov 1, 2014 12:57:22 GMT -6
Lets face facts. There's proven numbers showing that people come here for many activities that take place in the evenings downtown. Cruise night, light up streator the movies in the park, etc. Kyle is never going to face that the poor showings had little to do with bar violence and public urination. I would like to know if the family that he spoke about witnessing the man who got out of his truck to urinate has been back to streator. I dont remember where he said they lived. Helen, just go to your tool chest and take out the hammer and hit yourself in the head with it, it won't be as painful as trying to reason with "Mr. Has all the answers"!!!! good summery of this whole thread lol
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 1, 2014 12:59:04 GMT -6
What makes you say that I am focusing on a small number? The 25 number was yours, not mine. Who says that it couldn't be more? Yes, I agree that the Majestic had great potential for bigger numbers with such a large theatre, 120 more families would be great, but I think there are too many people reluctant to come here for those numbers to become reality. Look, I have given you my opinion and generously said that twice as many people would come if it weren't for the bar problems. You said 25 people on average for a show, I doubled that, which made it 50. Personally I don't think it is any more than 25 per night. You ask "who says it couldn't be more" and "I think there are too many people reluctant to come here". You obviously have to have some number in your mind for you to make that statement. I am not looking for a factual number, just an educated guess on your part. My number is a number that would allow the theatre to be able to keep it's doors open and fix some of the problems with the building. I suppose I should have answered this question: Why are you focusing on such a small number of patrons. Ask The Times
Q: Why did The Times report the Majestic Theatre operated at a $3,639 loss since 2007, instead of stating the movie theater made a profit in its last financial year? A: According to financial documents posted to majesticshows.com, a $3,360.94 profit was recorded in 2013. The financial figures The Times presented are net incomes calculated since 2007. You said just one or two families a night. That would have created another $150,000 in extra revenue. Don't you not think that extra revenue could possibly have made Tim not seen it as a failing business kept it open? That is why I am worrying about it even if it is, as you say, a small number, because I feel that it is the difference between having a sustainable movie theatre or a boarded up one.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 1, 2014 13:04:35 GMT -6
Lets face facts. There's proven numbers showing that people come here for many activities that take place in the evenings downtown. Cruise night, light up streator the movies in the park, etc. Kyle is never going to face that the poor showings had little to do with bar violence and public urination. I would like to know if the family that he spoke about witnessing the man who got out of his truck to urinate has been back to streator. I dont remember where he said they lived. Helen, just go to your tool chest and take out the hammer and hit yourself in the head with it, it won't be as painful as trying to reason with "Mr. Has all the answers"!!!! Was I attacking someone for you to start calling me names and saying that I am unreasonable when I stated my opinion, or are rude attacks just your way?
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