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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 11:40:08 GMT -6
I didnt read all this but a Streator bussiness man told me many years ago 30 at least. (word for word)
Streator is on a down hill side and will never recover. I have said this before.
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Post by chevypower on Dec 28, 2013 17:08:15 GMT -6
I'd say all towns are on a down slide, 2014 will be far worse with the new Healthcare being fully engaged.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 28, 2013 22:16:42 GMT -6
Kyle, the nice thing about opinions, is that over a period of time, those opinions can change. Yes, opinions can change and I am glad that yours did. After getting so much grief for so long, I just didn't expect the sudden change. He should have not made any comment on it until it came time for the council to vote on the decision of the zoning board. I think there needs to be someone that can give the proper requirements to perspective businesses. The zoning ordinance says that it is not meant to be all inclusive of all types of business and the next closest business activities requirement is to be used. Perspective businesses shouldn't have to go through a process of trying to change the ordinance to have an activity be listed; they also shouldn't have to go through a zoning board recommendation and council vote just to verify the next closest business activity or find out if a special use permit is even needed. If there isn't someone at City Hall that can provide this PROPER information, I would say that they are not very inviting to small business at all. You should and can still go to the zoning board and propose the business, argue for use in the current zoning map, challenge the cities decision in the appeals process and then ,demand their justification and the naming of the most closely related business activity. That is why since aquaponics isn't specifically listed as a use, it would be good for you to focus your efforts on getting it listed as a use. Focusing on that , in my opinion would be much more productive than constantly berating the city. Demand their justification, yeah right! Do you seriously think that demanding anything from them would produce any results at all? You must just be trying to make me laugh. I wonder how many times I have said that the owner of the building did not want to fight with the City and was not willing to do anything that they were not in support of. He is now interested in just dumping his building. Why don't you buy it and jump through all of those hoops? The project was killed with the requirement given. Approval would be "an up hill battle" doesn't sound too inviting to small business. I don't like the way our City treats people and businesses and think it is responsible for keeping buildings vacant. Doing the things you mentioned might be productive if anyone was interested in opening such a facility, but may goal is to change the way they treat people and businesses. For that purpose, I think that repeatedly pointing out to others what they do, could be more productive. Since you brought up the P&Z, do you think that since they are Mayoral appointees, they are biased towards the mayor or do you think the current board is fair and impartial? Interesting question. I wonder if they would back up your buddy's requirement. I know that I was at a meeting where someone wanted to open a second business(the first was fairly popular), was berated by the commission, then withdrew the special use request and hasn't operated any business since. That didn't seem fair to me at all. I may have been not clear in my comments in regards to supporting our current officials. I will try to clarify. I will not support them JUST to counteract what you say. If I feel what you have to say is not deserving, then I will defend them from you, or anyone else. If you or anyone else attack them on something I think they DO deserve, I will support you or anyone else. Hope that clears up my stance. That sounds very nobble in all and I do respect that you are not all one sided, but I think that despite what you say, you are slightly biased in favor of our City, particularly, the Mayor. Are you going to ask him to please start giving out the proper information instead of requirements that he can't backup with our laws? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 6:57:04 GMT -6
i was really talking about streator it self. there is no reason for main st. to look like this.
there tear the buildings down that should be tore down on main there will be no buildings
on main. if u look up the bricks are falling off the bank building also. there will never
be anyone that will want to buy it so there it sits empty.im usually straight forward in my writing
as u all know lol. was told by one man that did repairs on the buildings years ago they told him to use
the cheapest material he could. the other business man said streator was on down hill slide 30 years ago so has
nothing to do with the now/last few years. im not siting here just making up a story.
its a shame but me/u will never see streator a town again. i once said it more like a village than a town. leaves me/u with a sour taste dont it.
when everyone gives up being a fence rider. now if u think i like being negitive u are wrong i would love to see streator build
up not everything out north. be able to shop here. we wait till we need enough things than go to menards or some where in peru
to shop. because we can buy cheaper than here. walmart we have here is nothing like ottawas. hubby bought a sterio
for his car a few years ago here went to ottawa a few days later yup a lot cheaper. its very sad but streator
is like a death to me for i know what streator was once like it was bigger than ottawa, pontiac or any town around that i knew.
the people running this town have no idea how to run it. not that they have much to work with.
the city wants to give grants to small business to come here than they stay till there time is up than opps they
are gone that is what happened to the wall paper place and others.
they have house that should be tore down but than this would really look like a ghost town. lol
running up to the meetings does no good. ok i will shutup now but i can back up all i said.
have your hopes for that what we live on. i happen to be very vocal,truthful not a fence ridder. just me. and my thoughts
judy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 7:05:38 GMT -6
oh one more thing we bought are car in peru for lot better buy. most of the time u can buy your gas cheaper out of town cheaper (why)
thortorns here and in ottawa lot of times cheaper in ottawa sometimes grandridge is cheaper (shell) again just my thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 7:56:41 GMT -6
oh hell i back again hee hee. one more thought.
hubby was saying just yesterday he said i dont like saying this but i cant trust anyone any more
use to be able take people for there word. now most want to screw others for money is everything.
to bad money has gotten to be everyones god.
as a kid i lived on a farm everyone helped the other now everyone says what is in for me.
we are lucky enough to have one good friend that will do anything for us thanks (dive). u are a sweetie. i my
hubby would/will do anything for just a thank u. now that his is old he cant do any more.
question what happened to just helping a friend?
we can in this world with no money so why not go out with no money lol
ok are u tired with me. lol just on a roll.
i suppose i will get some answer . might not like but oh well thats life we all have our ways and thinking.
u all have a great cold week stay warm. keep your neighbor warm lol
done rating on here. bye so long till we meet again.
take life a little easier. for it is to short.
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Post by dog on Dec 29, 2013 10:25:36 GMT -6
. I wonder how many times I have said that the owner of the building did not want to fight with the City and was not willing to do anything that they were not in support of. He is now interested in just dumping his building. Why don't you buy it and jump through all of those hoops? Interesting question. I wonder if they would back up your buddy's requirement. I know that I was at a meeting where someone wanted to open a second business(the first was fairly popular), was berated by the commission, then withdrew the special use request and hasn't operated any business since. That didn't seem fair to me at all. I know you have said many times the owner didnt want to continue the fight, but I thought that maybe you would be interested in doing it. You spent time with officials in neighboring towns discussing aquaponics with them . Does this person have buildings in those towns too, or were you interested in starting an aquaponics business there yourself, or were you just wasting their time to get ammunition to use against our officials? When you say "your buddy's requirements" I am not clear if you are referring to my wifes friends husband who was previously an official in Peru or if you were talking about Mayor Lansford, who I probably have only said "Hi" to at the grand opening of the gun shop a few weeks ago, I wouldnt have a clue if our zoning board would back up the requirement. I dont even know who is on the zoning board. I dont remember the incident of the person who wanted to open the 2nd business and then ended up closing the first business because he was berated by the commission. Which business was that? |
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 29, 2013 21:46:55 GMT -6
I know you have said many times the owner didnt want to continue the fight, but I thought that maybe you would be interested in doing it. You spent time with officials in neighboring towns discussing aquaponics with them . Does this person have buildings in those towns too, or were you interested in starting an aquaponics business there yourself, or were you just wasting their time to get ammunition to use against our officials? I did look at locations in other communities. They didn't seem to act like it was a waste of their time to look into what they would require, then again they both had Economic Development Directors for that purpose. Don't be too surprised if you hear of me making an Aquaponics business venture in the future. You never answered my question though. Since you are so concerned about it, why don't you buy a building and jump through all those hoops? I dont remember the incident of the person who wanted to open the 2nd business and then ended up closing the first business because he was berated by the commission. Which business was that? The women had a seasonal BBQ business and wanted to use an empty church for something else. They seemed more concerned with people eating at picnic tables and wheels on the trailer than the actual business being proposed and were very harsh. To me, it sure didn't seem to be at all inviting to small business. |
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Post by father of two on Dec 29, 2013 22:16:09 GMT -6
Possibly because it is in a residential neighborhood? I know they had the barbecue area with tables but switching to a bigger building in the neighborhood when there are other buildings already zoned commercial may have been where they might have wanted them to go. I don't know for sure, just my thought.
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Post by dog on Dec 29, 2013 22:40:15 GMT -6
You never answered my question though. Since you are so concerned about it, why don't you buy a building and jump through all those hoops? I did buy a building and started my business 20 years ago. Never had a problem with the city then, or now. I don't think aquaponics is a money making venture, so I have no interest in doing it. |
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 30, 2013 7:21:28 GMT -6
Possibly because it is in a residential neighborhood? I know they had the barbecue area with tables but switching to a bigger building in the neighborhood when there are other buildings already zoned commercial may have been where they might have wanted them to go. I don't know for sure, just my thought. The business in the bigger building was to be a different business from the BBQ. I don't feel that the minor issues with the separate business should even have been brought into question when considering the new one. I don't see picnic tables and wheels as being reasons to attack a business in our community that desperately needs business. Just my opinions though. |
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 30, 2013 7:26:37 GMT -6
You never answered my question though. Since you are so concerned about it, why don't you buy a building and jump through all those hoops? I did buy a building and started my business 20 years ago. Never had a problem with the city then, or now. I don't think aquaponics is a money making venture, so I have no interest in doing it. My point was, don't you think that is a lot to go through, just to find out whether they will allow it or not? I certainly would not be willing to buy a building and go through all of that so that when they turn it down, I can try to demand their justification. |
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 31, 2013 7:54:30 GMT -6
He is an angry man child who didn't get what he wanted so no matter what the city does he will not be happy. I admit that it makes me angry to see our community's population and property values continue to decrease, while our city keeps heading in the same direction. I may not have gotten what I want yet, but I have not given up like a lot of people here. There seems to be many that are very apathetic about change, thinking that it doesn't matter what the citizens do, the city is going to continue to do whatever they want. There seems to be others that don't feel it is even worth trying to change because the community is just doomed and will die either way. I have not accepted that this is the direction that Streator has to keep heading and want better for our community. Happy New Year, 2014 could bring better, we will see. |
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