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Post by Family Man on Nov 22, 2013 14:01:17 GMT -6
I read this article today about the supermarket roof collapse that killed 47 people in Riga, Latvia and for some reason thought about your roof set up. I'm being sincere here and this is in no way an attack. If I recall the pictures correctly, yours also includes sod, among other things. I never thought about a roof collapse. I thought about your building when I read this and we may not get along, but I thought you should read this. I'd hate for something like that to happen.. "While the official cause remained under investigation, one hypothesis is that a sodden winter garden on the roof of the building contributed to the collapse. Stacked above the store were building materials, earth, and sand for building the garden, a load possibly made heavier by water trapped on the roof after several days of rain." Here's the link to the article: www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2013/1122/Latvia-store-collapse-was-rooftop-garden-to-blame |
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 22, 2013 15:08:43 GMT -6
I heard about that as well. Thanks fro your concerns, but I am not really worried about my roof. These old buildings were built very solid. I have a good roof that has been well maintained, has a supporting wall below it, and there is virtual no base below the sod so it can not hold much water.
Now if you want to talk about possible roof collapses, I know of several buildings that I would worry about more than mine.
Are the roofs of the many vacant buildings being maintained like mine? What happens if we get a heavy snow. I'll be here to clear it off mine. Will anyone clear it off the unmaintained vacant building roofs?
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Post by Family Man on Nov 22, 2013 16:08:56 GMT -6
Good to hear there is a supporting wall and it's in good shape.
I am sure there are a few buildings downtown that are in danger of collapsing. I believe you on that one.
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Post by rocket on Nov 22, 2013 17:16:33 GMT -6
Hey how about worrying of possible more gas leak explosions downtown that happened to the building the eye glass place is at now on the s/w corner of main and Monroe.
The explosion partially leveled that building that used to stood there before they rebuilted on that property.
How about the city getting on the owners and gas company to come and upgrade the gas lines going into these buildings.
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Post by dive61364 on Nov 22, 2013 17:26:37 GMT -6
you can drive down main street and look at the top of buildings that look like they are in bad disrepair. bricks that have large cracks in them all the way up the wall that could fall at any time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 17:42:09 GMT -6
I have to say, I had to go to Streator the other day and go downtown. I made a point to look at your painting Kyle. It's not near as "in your face" as what the pic depicts. I still can't say it's my taste, that's just my opinion but it's not what I would call "offensive" either. The pic makes it look a lot more bold and like there's a lot more coverage visible that what there actually is.
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Post by longarm on Nov 22, 2013 18:34:44 GMT -6
There are engineering standards published on how to build a sod roof. It is very difficult to meet the requirements. Most roofs require a 20 psf live load for snow loading and water ponding. Some might require a 30 psf live load. If there is an elevation difference, you have a drifted snow load to deal with. It could reuire 60 to 90 psf or more psf live load at the elevation differnece for drifted snow.
Roofs do collapse under snow load. We have seen it here in Streator.
If you place a load on the load, it is called dead load. For example, if you place 20 psf dead load on the roof, you will have no live load for a potential snow.
If you have what is called plank on timber which the old Lipton Tea Building had, it may have a live load of 100 psf. This is why the heavy timbers lasted so long during the fire.
If you have what is called boards on joist, the estimated live load could be 20 psf.
A structural engineer could evaluate this.
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Post by evaryman on Nov 22, 2013 19:07:09 GMT -6
About 10 days ago we went on a return trip to one of our favorite spots in the world, and stayed at a B&B where we'd stayed in spring. The B&B is a stucco and straw bale construction and it was great fun and we loved our time there last May. When I made reservations for a 2nd visit, I asked about the cabins on the property, same construction except they have sod roofs! Again I was very excited about staying in such a place, I told my nephew, who is an architect by trade, that I was staying in a cabin with a "living roof". But, when morning came we found ourselves a bit trepidatious, about our safety, as there was water that had seeped under the S.W. corner of the cabin. The couple we were traveling with had found it just outside the entrance to their room. The managers insisted that we would be just fine, and said it had happened at other times, and they'd thought the rain was so light that it wouldn't happen while we were there. We hated to give up the privacy and roominess of the cabin, so we stayed, rather than moving up to the B&B. At that point my concerns were getting electrocuted, or one of us waking in the night and slipping, but I never gave any thought to the possiblity of the roof caving in. I intended to write a note to the owner, who lives in the Chicago area, when we returned, but I've been lax and haven't done it, I think I will make doing so a priority. The thought of being buried under sod is too horrendous to not talk to the owner about. Thank you for posting this story.
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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 22, 2013 19:49:15 GMT -6
I have to say, I had to go to Streator the other day and go downtown. I made a point to look at your painting Kyle. It's not near as "in your face" as what the pic depicts. I still can't say it's my taste, that's just my opinion but it's not what I would call "offensive" either. The pic makes it look a lot more bold and like there's a lot more coverage visible that what there actually is.  Didn't Jules Post on THIS VERY SUBJECT a WEEKS BACK?  WHY YES SHE DID.  A MONTH AGO is a FAR CRY from "the other day".  I guess I'm the only one that thinks it looks tacky and gaudy. Sorry, just my opinion.  I like playing devils advocate at times.Is it possible that not restricting businesses and allowing them to paint their property any color they desire, might also drive future or existing businesses away from being their neighbor? Suppose I want to market my flaming hot bbq sauces that I market as "Hell". I want to paint my building blood red and I want to locate it next to the Christian book store. Should I be allowed to paint my building that way and have a hanging sign with the business name "Hell" on it? Would that be fair to my current neighbor? Could it potentially keep other businesses from wanting to locate next to me?  He himself admitted he knew beforehand that the City was looking at making all building conformity in colors. That's exactly why he did it. Just to stir the pot some more and give the City a finger. He's the most passive aggressive person I have ever come across. He's probably also the most narcissistic person I've seen. Always wanting to be the center of attention. Just wait for the upcoming newspaper article to come out about how, once again, the City is treating him unfairly. I think You get the "PICTURE".  Nov 18, 2013 13:40:41 GMT -6 Anonymous said: It really doesn't matter who you are in "real life". I'll pray that you get over whatever hurt feelings you must be experiencing to lash out in the negative ways in which you do against Jules. Have a great day!Does THAT Answer Your Question? Can YOU say BUSTED.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 21:12:00 GMT -6
I have to say, I had to go to Streator the other day and go downtown. I made a point to look at your painting Kyle. It's not near as "in your face" as what the pic depicts. I still can't say it's my taste, that's just my opinion but it's not what I would call "offensive" either. The pic makes it look a lot more bold and like there's a lot more coverage visible that what there actually is. Didn't Jules Post on THIS VERY SUBJECT a WEEKS BACK? WHY YES SHE DID. A MONTH AGO is a FAR CRY from "the other day". I guess I'm the only one that thinks it looks tacky and gaudy. Sorry, just my opinion. I know I am outnumbered here but if I was looking to open a business downtown it sure wouldn't be next to a building such as you have painted yours Kyle. To me, it looks like all it needs to cap it off is a torn up couch and recliner sitting out front. I'd be ticked if I owned a neighboring building. He himself admitted he knew beforehand that the City was looking at making all building conformity in colors. That's exactly why he did it. Just to stir the pot some more and give the City a finger. He's the most passive aggressive person I have ever come across. He's probably also the most narcissistic person I've seen. Always wanting to be the center of attention. Just wait for the upcoming newspaper article to come out about how, once again, the City is treating him unfairly. I think You get the "PICTURE". Nov 18, 2013 13:40:41 GMT -6 Anonymous said: It really doesn't matter who you are in "real life". I'll pray that you get over whatever hurt feelings you must be experiencing to lash out in the negative ways in which you do against Jules. Have a great day!Does THAT Answer Your Question? Can YOU say BUSTED.
Now I'll just sit back and watch how SHE WORMS out of THIS. ORWill Dudley Do Right come to the RESCUE AGAIN? Wrong again Troll. You really should do your research before you go on yet another unfounded bashing spree of me. Kyle posted a pic of his building on October 6th. I responded to that pic, my opinion on what I thought it looked like, on October 7th and 9th. While in Streator the other day, I saw the building and then posted my opinion again. Have a good evening. |
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 22, 2013 21:14:09 GMT -6
He himself admitted he knew beforehand that the City was looking at making all building conformity in colors. That's exactly why he did it. Just to stir the pot some more and give the City a finger. He's the most passive aggressive person I have ever come across. He's probably also the most narcissistic person I've seen. Always wanting to be the center of attention. Just wait for the upcoming newspaper article to come out about how, once again, the City is treating him unfairly. It is interesting that other people think they know exactly why I do anything. Yes, I knew beforehand that they were wanting to add more restrictions to businesses coming here and do not think it is right. If you see expressing my opinion on the matter by using colors that I like, as me giving them the finger, what is this building doing to the rest of us?  Why would anyone with a building like this try to tell others what to do? Why wouldn't we want to allow a chain auto parts store to paint their building with the red and orange of their logo? Why wouldn't we want to allow an independent downtown restaurant to paint their building using the purple and orange from their logo? Shouldn't we allow these businesses to decide how to best brand their investment here? You may see it as giving a finger, I see it as a way to raise these questions in the minds of others while also making my building look good. The city hasn't said anything at all about my paint job. It has only been their cheer leading squad on here. Maybe I should suggest that the newspaper do a story on this issue though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 21:16:22 GMT -6
Myself, I agree that the above building is horrendous and is unacceptable.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 22, 2013 21:18:24 GMT -6
Do you think we need to restrict color on businesses that want to build here?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 21:25:57 GMT -6
In the downtown area, yes I do. That's just my opinion personally. I think downtown areas need to be preserved historically and look more to the period in which the buildings were built.
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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 22, 2013 21:26:28 GMT -6
When I read THIS I thought to MYSELF? Didn't Jules Post on THIS VERY SUBJECT a WEEKS BACK? WHY YES SHE DID. A MONTH AGO is a FAR CRY from "the other day". Nothing MENTIONED ABOUT SEEING A PICTURE which Myself/Kyle I believe Posted later. TISK TISK TISK I think You get the "PICTURE". Nov 18, 2013 13:40:41 GMT -6 Anonymous said: It really doesn't matter who you are in "real life". I'll pray that you get over whatever hurt feelings you must be experiencing to lash out in the negative ways in which you do against Jules. Have a great day!Does THAT Answer Your Question? Can YOU say BUSTED.
Now I'll just sit back and watch how SHE WORMS out of THIS. ORWill Dudley Do Right come to the RESCUE AGAIN? Wrong again Troll. You really should do your research before you go on yet another unfounded bashing spree of me. Kyle posted a pic of his building on October 6th. I responded to that pic, my opinion on what I thought it looked like, on October 7th and 9th. While in Streator the other day, I saw the building and then posted my opinion again. Have a good evening. You MIGHT WANT TO READ where You EDIT in MY ORIGINAL POST. NOTE THE TIME I EDITED.  I NOTICED You didn't put that in the Quote. Now what was it You were SAYING?    |
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