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Post by chevypower on Nov 12, 2013 1:26:49 GMT -6
lol ok truth is the premiums did rise and the deductibles are higher even at Vactor, of course Ron.B. was probably going off His old job on His cost. Because V has the best Insurance now by far.
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Post by no1inparticular on Nov 12, 2013 7:09:03 GMT -6
Vactor, like every other business, will be affected when the delay on the mandate expires...
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Nov 12, 2013 7:46:11 GMT -6
Vactor, like every other business, will be affected when the delay on the mandate expires... Yep, best estimates between 52 and 93 MILLION of us. Just a bit after the mid term elections........ Golly, the coincidences in life......  |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Nov 12, 2013 7:47:18 GMT -6
Enjoy your last year of private insurance. That's courtesy of your employer, not Obamacare. |
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Post by chevypower on Nov 13, 2013 1:26:33 GMT -6
I'm sure it's costing a company big bucks for Healthcare now.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Nov 13, 2013 17:34:26 GMT -6
MM, I think a much more relevant question is what is "fair" to charge a patient?
How is it we now see concierge care emerging with costs driven down to very reasonable levels with faster, higher quality service?
No Insurance company is involved, yet the doctors make more money, and patients are much happier.
It seems as if everyone wants to fight back and forth between a company and the employee, never remembering the real issue is how much that is being charged.
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Post by dog on Nov 13, 2013 19:59:16 GMT -6
Vactor, like every other business, will be affected when the delay on the mandate expires... There are corporations out there now that are changing their insurances now. The delay on the mandate ALLOWS them to wait, but I know of at least one that isn't waiting. |
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Post by fudrucker on Nov 14, 2013 18:19:18 GMT -6
Health care insurance is not a gift from an employer it was negotiated in lieu of wage increases and benefited both the employer and the employee, then greedy insurance companies and equally greedy medical professionals and institutions figured out by raping the system they could create a bonanza for themselves; the result an unacceptable healthcare system in this country the fix is national healthcare or Medicare for all, no one should be with out proper affordable healthcare We always hear about having to compete globally when it comes to wages well should that not apply to expenses incurred such as healthcare; many who at one time had good healthcare through a workplace plan now have non or inadequate healthcare, screw the insurance companies and if a Dr has to get by on a 100,000 less then they can get used to it like the rest of us have, too many people allow themselves to get sucked in by these conservative think tanks whose only goal seems to be a fascist corporate run America
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Post by focus on Nov 15, 2013 8:22:09 GMT -6
Streator District #44 teachers:
Free insurance, low co-pays and deductibles.
Family insurance is minimal at around $225 to $250.00 a month.
A kick back is given to an employee that does not obtain health coverage.
Copays a few years back were $5.00.
The cost to the taxpayers each year around 5 million.
Two and a half million for the cost of the insurance and
another two and half million for medical benefits paid out.
The district cuts school programs such as band, art and eventually sports.
If teachers would pay a fair share of their own benefits than programs would
most likely be saved.
Illinois is a pick me up state for the teachers pension benefit percentage. (Meaning the taxpayers contribute this amount)
The added free benefits to a teachers salary is around an additional $15 to $20,000 a year.
The IL teachers union contributes more campaign money to the democratic party than any other state.
I cannot imagine what the cost of health care will become in the next few years. It will not
matter to the teacher's union. The president made exemptions to the unions. The taxpayers pick up the tab.
Illinois allows the ability to the teachers to strike. (Written into law)
I do not dis-like teachers. I dis-like the union management. It is breaking the country.
Entitlements to the poor and entitlements to union members.
The middle class is being sucked dry.
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Post by longarm on Nov 15, 2013 8:50:46 GMT -6
Health insurance was a benefit when I worked. I used to pay about $400 a month for my benefits. Total rewards. The CEO said the company paid out $40 million last year to employees for health insurance. But the company made $1 billion. So they can afford the premium but still charge the employee.
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Post by longarm on Nov 15, 2013 8:51:34 GMT -6
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Post by dog on Nov 15, 2013 9:02:29 GMT -6
If teachers would pay a fair share of their own benefits than programs would most likely be saved. Illinois is a pick me up state for the teachers pension benefit percentage. (Meaning the taxpayers contribute this amount) The added free benefits to a teachers salary is around an additional $15 to $20,000 a year. Like others have said, the benefits package is figured into their total compensation. They aren't getting insurance for free. Whats the difference if we pay $50,000 a year of a teacher and then give them $20,000 in benefits, or pay them $70,000 a year with no benefits? Do you have any information to show how total compensation packages for teachers in Illinois, compare to teachers in other states who don't provide for healthcare benefits? I think the jist of your argument is that you don't think the teachers are worth the pay AND the benefits and that teachers in general are just overpaid. I really don't have a problem with providing healthcare for teachers, if they are EARNING that kind of compensation in terms of performance. I do have a problem with demanding it for all teachers, without having it somehow linked to job performance. |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Nov 15, 2013 9:45:04 GMT -6
Health care insurance is not a gift from an employer it was negotiated in lieu of wage increases and benefited both the employer and the employee, then greedy insurance companies and equally greedy medical professionals and institutions figured out by raping the system they could create a bonanza for themselves; the result an unacceptable healthcare system in this country the fix is national healthcare or Medicare for all, no one should be with out proper affordable healthcare We always hear about having to compete globally when it comes to wages well should that not apply to expenses incurred such as healthcare; many who at one time had good healthcare through a workplace plan now have non or inadequate healthcare, screw the insurance companies and if a Dr has to get by on a 100,000 less then they can get used to it like the rest of us have, too many people allow themselves to get sucked in by these conservative think tanks whose only goal seems to be a fascist corporate run America Wow, you start out so well, then fall right into victim status........... How about this, how about we get RID of the Insurance companies, put the wage back on the check, and then CONSUMERS of health care can spend their own money wisely? Oh, to be certain, we could carry catastrophic care, just as we do with Automobiles and Houses, but what would your car insurance costs be if they covered tune-ups, routine maintenance, tires, etc. This is PRECISELY why health care is so bloody expensive, because you don't consider the costs to be your burden. |
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Post by fudrucker on Nov 15, 2013 20:02:18 GMT -6
now humans are equated to objects such as cars or houses, how sad; health care for profit does not serve the needs of human kind; National healthcare works for the people, not a capitalist dream but there is money to be made elsewhere but not on the health needs of our citizens; it is okay to say no to exploitation now and then
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Nov 15, 2013 20:59:14 GMT -6
Fudrucker, when you get a clue, come back and see us.
Very soon stupid will be painful.
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