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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 3, 2013 6:35:27 GMT -6
Who would you vote for? A)republican B)democrat C)independent D)abolishing the gov't altogether and let us be free from government I vote d I think the united states would be better without gov't intrusion into everything we do. This is suppose to be the land of the free. Rocket, if you wish to be free, then without a Gvt. to establish laws, how would you be free? I think you might want to add another choice. E.) Libertarian/Constitution I vote E.
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Post by longarm on Oct 3, 2013 18:13:21 GMT -6
I love it when they say, it's the fault of the Republicans.
Actually when he said when you go out to eat and have a nice dinner with 2 glasses of wine, you have to pay the bill.
If you didn't have the money you wouldn't go out to eat now would you?
Duh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 18:25:10 GMT -6
is this cute or sad could be very sad for some
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Post by chevypower on Oct 3, 2013 23:02:00 GMT -6
I suppose libertarian would be the perfect choice! let's not get it mixed up with the liberals there is a big difference.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 4, 2013 6:50:12 GMT -6
I suppose libertarian would be the perfect choice! let's not get it mixed up with the liberals there is a big difference. Not really, true Liberals are very,very close to true conservatives. It's why Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul could work together. It's the squishy middle that effs things up.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 4, 2013 6:51:25 GMT -6
I love it when they say, it's the fault of the Republicans. Actually when he said when you go out to eat and have a nice dinner with 2 glasses of wine, you have to pay the bill. If you didn't have the money you wouldn't go out to eat now would you? Duh. See, you apply common sense and expect those spending your money to do the same........ They don't teach your model at Georgetown.
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Post by Val on Oct 4, 2013 8:51:42 GMT -6
Just read an article that said the "shutdown" might effect foodstamps....maybe i will vote republican...... then again how many jobs would we lose on the manufactures of pajama pants and polar pops? Not sure the country can take that. Why stereo type someone for receiving foodstamps? Not everyone on foodstamps wears pjama bottoms or buys polar pops. Their are more out their then you think that are on foodstamps because they lost a job and can't afford to pay for food. What about the elderly who get foodstamps and that's all they have to eat on? Or maybe the disabled? Don't be so stereo typical.
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Post by greekgod on Oct 4, 2013 19:37:20 GMT -6
It's water under the bridge. Obamacare is good for those who don't work. Not too good if you are middle income and have to buy the insurance. But you could buy the insurance before Obamacare. Longarm, You have it Bass Aackwards! Those who "don't work" or "can't work" are eligible for Medicaid, if they are not covered by Medicare. "Obamacare" is there to provide a way for many Middle Class WORKERS to acquire AFFORDABLE Healthcare if their employer does not provide Healthcare.Insurance. Can you say McDonalds, Can you say Walmart. "Obamacare", HAS ALREADY provided the ablility of college students to still be covered under their parent's Health Care provided by their employer past the age of 18. I guess you forgot that, ignored it ,or just didn't know it. "Obamacare", HAS ALREADY provided the ability of WORKING PARENTS to Acquire Healthcare for any child at an AFFORDABLE PRICE, which was not possible to be acquired before, due to a pre-existing condition. I guess you forgot that, ignored it ,or just didn't know it. Remember if you can't work, Medicaid covers your Health Care, and has long before "Obamacare", hasn't it. The point is "Obamacare" benefits the WORKING CLASS. Personally, I think the WORKERS, not covered by their employer in a Healthcare Program, should be able to reduce their risk of Bankruptcy, by being able to Afford Healthcare. I do respect your right to object to these benefits to Workers being given a safety net to protect their hard earned assets. I may not give them a "golden parachute" but it may make their "hard landing" a bit softer. g
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Post by zrx on Oct 4, 2013 20:41:55 GMT -6
Before Obamacare was voted in, I had a excellent catastrophic plan. My insurance company, decided to get out of individual health policies, a direct result of the passage of Obamacare. My current policy, I'am paying 2x the premium I was before, I have 2x deductible and no free yearly wellness checkup like my previous policy. According to my insurance agent, I can expect it to double again this coming year. So Greek, tell me how Obamacare is "Affordable Healthcare"?
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Post by 34bears on Oct 4, 2013 21:09:49 GMT -6
Don't muddy the waters with actual scenarios. Just listen to the scenarios Greek and Obama tell you. While you're listening you can take a ride on the unicorn and look at the rainbows!
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Post by chevypower on Oct 5, 2013 1:42:20 GMT -6
I suppose libertarian would be the perfect choice! let's not get it mixed up with the liberals there is a big difference. Not really, true Liberals are very,very close to true conservatives. It's why Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul could work together. It's the squishy middle that effs things up.[/quote I have to disagree with you Sniper, libertarians and Conservatives are in the same corner (yes) but not the liberals.
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Post by chevypower on Oct 5, 2013 1:44:26 GMT -6
Before Obamacare was voted in, I had a excellent catastrophic plan. My insurance company, decided to get out of individual health policies, a direct result of the passage of Obamacare. My current policy, I'am paying 2x the premium I was before, I have 2x deductible and no free yearly wellness checkup like my previous policy. According to my insurance agent, I can expect it to double again this coming year. So Greek, tell me how Obamacare is "Affordable Healthcare"? Right on the money, thank you zrx
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Post by chevypower on Oct 5, 2013 1:45:14 GMT -6
These bozos are so blind I wonder how they make a living?
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Post by dog on Oct 6, 2013 9:06:47 GMT -6
It's water under the bridge. Obamacare is good for those who don't work. Not too good if you are middle income and have to buy the insurance. But you could buy the insurance before Obamacare. Longarm, You have it Bass Aackwards! Those who "don't work" or "can't work" are eligible for Medicaid, if they are not covered by Medicare. "Obamacare" is there to provide a way for many Middle Class WORKERS to acquire AFFORDABLE Healthcare if their employer does not provide Healthcare.Insurance. Can you say McDonalds, Can you say Walmart. "Obamacare", HAS ALREADY provided the ablility of college students to still be covered under their parent's Health Care provided by their employer past the age of 18. I guess you forgot that, ignored it ,or just didn't know it. "Obamacare", HAS ALREADY provided the ability of WORKING PARENTS to Acquire Healthcare for any child at an AFFORDABLE PRICE, which was not possible to be acquired before, due to a pre-existing condition. I guess you forgot that, ignored it ,or just didn't know it. Remember if you can't work, Medicaid covers your Health Care, and has long before "Obamacare", hasn't it. The point is "Obamacare" benefits the WORKING CLASS. Personally, I think the WORKERS, not covered by their employer in a Healthcare Program, should be able to reduce their risk of Bankruptcy, by being able to Afford Healthcare. I do respect your right to object to these benefits to Workers being given a safety net to protect their hard earned assets. I may not give them a "golden parachute" but it may make their "hard landing" a bit softer. g Going back 5 years my insurance premiums have just slightly more than doubled with a slight increase in deductibles. Now my current insurance company is changing its policies around and I am looking at an 80% increase in deductible with a doubling of my deductible or a 135% premium increase with the same deductible. I havent been able to get onto to the healthcare.gov site to check other options there, but if I use the online calculator, it is predicting I should be paying insurance costs that would be $1500 MORE than if I stay with my current company and take the policy with the 80% increase. I hardly find this affordable or even keeping insurance costs in check. Most of my information I stated is in percentages, and my question to you Greek is if you can do the same? Can you give us your experience over the last 5 years and a look into the short term future of your insurance? I tried to use percentages so you wouldnt balk at possibly giving out too personal of info.FWIW , I trust you to give an honest response.
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