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Post by no1inparticular on Oct 2, 2013 10:46:57 GMT -6
Or, could it be that this "stalemate" was ALLOWED to DISTRACT from the EPIC FAILURE of the Obamacare system to even go online?... The Feds have had over 5 years to implement this system, and clearly plenty of OUR money to do it...
Folks can believe what they want to believe... Congress sent their resolution to the Senate (Dem controlled) last Friday... The Senate (Dem controlled) took the weekend off, and didn't even approach it until 2:00 p.m. Monday...
But yeah, blame the Republicans...
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 2, 2013 10:48:52 GMT -6
“One faction of one party in one house of Congress in one branch of government shut down major parts of the government all because they didn’t like one law,” Obama said. I agree. 18% of the GOP is shutting down the government. Shame on you. Really? How many different ways have the Republicans tried to compromise? Which one is holding firmly to NO COMPROMISE? Obama and Reid are the doodyheads who have shut down the Gvt. BTW, Dave, do YOU believe that Obamacare is good enough for us PEONS, but not for the great Oz? Hmmmmm?
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Post by job on Oct 2, 2013 11:08:32 GMT -6
I don't like Obama care, but the Republicans deserve the chutzpah of the year award for their argument that the Democrats should "negotiate" over an existing law. What is next? "We don't like Social Security: if you don't negotiate the changes we want, we will shut down the government." I can't remember a time when both parties had so many boobs in Congress. "Boner," (AKA the Republican Ted Kennedy) is my favorite. However, Pelosi and Reid are right up there.
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Post by Val on Oct 2, 2013 15:14:56 GMT -6
MUST READ FROM AN ATTORNEYS STANDPOINT OF THIS SO CALLED OBAMA HEALTH CARE... EVERYONE! MUST READ. INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT OBAMACARE WILL ENTAIL! A post today on the Facebook page of Missouri Senator Roy Blunt under comments.
MUST READ! HERE'S WHY CONGRESS IS NOT WANTING TO PASS THIS ASSAULT ON OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN THIS OBAMACARE PLOY AGAINST AMEERICA! Posted Via: Bill Abright ~ The Truth About the Health Care Bills ~ Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney ~ Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected. To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession. The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government. However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed. The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care. This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal health care direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide. If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law. So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people; The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control. I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable. For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us. Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor...Think about it....might just change your mind.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 2, 2013 15:25:51 GMT -6
I don't like Obama care, but the Republicans deserve the chutzpah of the year award for their argument that the Democrats should "negotiate" over an existing law. What is next? "We don't like Social Security: if you don't negotiate the changes we want, we will shut down the government." I can't remember a time when both parties had so many boobs in Congress. "Boner," (AKA the Republican Ted Kennedy) is my favorite. However, Pelosi and Reid are right up there. Job, perhaps you are correct, however when the offer was made to pass it with the exemptions taken away, then the onus flipped straight to the Dems. There was no provision in the law to allow Obama to grant waivers to the law. The Repubs. just don't have the spine to haul him before Congress. My kingdom for a man with a set.
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Post by northsider on Oct 2, 2013 15:44:56 GMT -6
The house bill that was sent to the senate would not pass if brought to a vote and the government would stay shut down. The senate bill that was sent to the house would pass if it was brought to a vote and the shut down would have never occurred. Seems pretty straightforward that since a majority of both the house and senate would approve the senate bill, the shutdown could end at anytime.
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Post by theactualtruth on Oct 2, 2013 16:00:05 GMT -6
Just read an article that said the "shutdown" might effect foodstamps....maybe i will vote republican...... then again how many jobs would we lose on the manufactures of pajama pants and polar pops? Not sure the country can take that.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 2, 2013 16:17:01 GMT -6
The house bill that was sent to the senate would not pass if brought to a vote and the government would stay shut down. The senate bill that was sent to the house would pass if it was brought to a vote and the shut down would have never occurred. Seems pretty straightforward that since a majority of both the house and senate would approve the senate bill, the shutdown could end at anytime. Got something other than supposition to back this up? If this were the case, then the house bill would not have passed with the majority it did. So far only 12 have shown any interest in defecting.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Oct 2, 2013 16:17:47 GMT -6
Just read an article that said the "shutdown" might effect foodstamps....maybe i will vote republican...... then again how many jobs would we lose on the manufactures of pajama pants and polar pops? Not sure the country can take that. How about voting Libertarian and take power away from both monsters?
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Post by greekgod on Oct 2, 2013 17:27:38 GMT -6
I don't like Obama care, but the Republicans deserve the chutzpah of the year award for their argument that the Democrats should "negotiate" over an existing law. What is next? "We don't like Social Security: if you don't negotiate the changes we want, we will shut down the government." I can't remember a time when both parties had so many boobs in Congress. "Boner," (AKA the Republican Ted Kennedy) is my favorite. However, Pelosi and Reid are right up there. Job, I remember the days of Sen. Strom Thrumond (D), S.C. and his lengthy filibuster, and what was that all about? Didn't he serve in the Senate at the same time as Sen. Joe McCarthy (R), WI.? However, and I hope you take no offense, when I agree with your response of "the Republicans deserve the chutzpah of the year award for their argument that the Democrates should "negotiate" over an existing law. What is next? .............." g P.S. Please forgive any errors in speling, sintax, or punctunation, they were purely intentional!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 20:16:04 GMT -6
It's water under the bridge. Obamacare is good for those who don't work. Not too good if you are middle income and have to buy the insurance. But you could buy the insurance before Obamacare. I don't like communism nor socialism. So I may lean for republican but i was antiwar and still am. People Killing people is not civilization. However Chicago does it everyday. I'm not big on war either,,but have the democrats shown themselves to be less war hungry than the republicans-ever? I think if you study it you will be surprised........
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Post by chevypower on Oct 2, 2013 22:43:32 GMT -6
Vals post... read it, it's no secrete they want to take over and control us.....I been saying this for years.
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Post by lgvideoman on Oct 2, 2013 23:48:36 GMT -6
Jesse Ventura was on CNN last night and said he is very much thinking of running for President as a independent candidate and with all the Childless games going on now he just may pull it off.
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Post by chevypower on Oct 3, 2013 0:32:12 GMT -6
Jesse Ventura was on CNN last night and said he is very much thinking of running for President as a independent candidate and with all the Childless games going on now he just may pull it off. Jesse was a navy seal, most do not agree with Him but.........what He says, He can back up most of it. The problem is most people rather not believe what He say's.
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Post by rocket on Oct 3, 2013 6:29:06 GMT -6
Who would you vote for?
A)republican B)democrat C)independent D)abolishing the gov't altogether and let us be free from government
I vote d
I think the united states would be better without gov't intrusion into everything we do.
This is suppose to be the land of the free.
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