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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 19, 2013 7:23:33 GMT -6
The man was carrying a provocative weapon in a provocative manner during his little hike. Says who? Butterbean? The LAW should protect all equally, no? What qualifies his weapons as "Provocative"?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 19, 2013 7:28:45 GMT -6
No, sadly bootlickers miss it. Outlaw, Who are the "bootlickers"? g Guess if the Boots fit, wear them.
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Post by northsider on Aug 19, 2013 8:29:34 GMT -6
I have to disagree with Sniper here. I think you do have to follow the police's orders. There are all kinds of codes that are the law of the land besides our Constitution. OK, then a Cop rushes up to you, a private citizen doing NOTHING wrong,you are just walking to the grocery store ( no gun on you ) and orders you to the ground. Do you do it? This is the point, he CLEARLY was violating no "codes", just a rouge cops sensibility. At what point do we give up all Sovereignty? I take it that in your scenario you feel the cop would somehow violate the citizens rights outside of the grocery store. Would the cop have a right to order the citizen to the ground if the cop was responding to an armed robbery two blocks away and he saw the private citizen entering the grocery store who matches the description of the suspect? In a civilized society, police officers are authority figures who are tasked with keeping the peace and investigating crimes and when authority figures tell you to do something you probably should do it. If you are doing nothing wrong you may be inconvienenced but the truth should come out and you will be on your way. I can't tell if you have a problem with authority or a severe case of that little man syndrome due to years of gun toting.
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Post by Blue Star on Aug 19, 2013 8:37:12 GMT -6
It's too bad peeps don't want to preserve ALL rights, instead of picking & choosing for themselves, instead of for ALL citizens!!
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Post by dog on Aug 19, 2013 11:47:11 GMT -6
OK, then a Cop rushes up to you, a private citizen doing NOTHING wrong,you are just walking to the grocery store ( no gun on you ) and orders you to the ground. Do you do it? This is the point, he CLEARLY was violating no "codes", just a rouge cops sensibility. At what point do we give up all Sovereignty? I take it that in your scenario you feel the cop would somehow violate the citizens rights outside of the grocery store. Would the cop have a right to order the citizen to the ground if the cop was responding to an armed robbery two blocks away and he saw the private citizen entering the grocery store who matches the description of the suspect? In a civilized society, police officers are authority figures who are tasked with keeping the peace and investigating crimes and when authority figures tell you to do something you probably should do it. If you are doing nothing wrong you may be inconvienenced but the truth should come out and you will be on your way. I can't tell if you have a problem with authority or a severe case of that little man syndrome due to years of gun toting. In your scenario, Northsider, you are adding an element the could legitimately lead the police to stop and question you. Actually, I dont know that even in your situation, the police could leagally order someone to the ground, based soley on just matching the description. Sniper's reference to the grocery store was made to suggest that someone walking into a grocery store in Streator, is just as normal and legal as someone walking down the road with a rifle in the state of Texas. I read some of the comments on You Tube and someone posted this: Here's an example from the 3rd Circuit Court: "...it is not a crime to possess a firearm... even when standing in a crowd. Second, the anonymous tipster who approached the authorities had said nothing that would indicate that Ubiles possessed the gun unlawfully... Therefore, the stop and subsequent search were unjustified because the precondition for a Terry stop was not present in this case." US v. Ubiles, 224 F.3d 213 (2000) So even if a call was received, the police, werent justified in their handling of the situation the way they did.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 19, 2013 14:59:24 GMT -6
It's too bad peeps don't want to preserve ALL rights, instead of picking & choosing for themselves, instead of for ALL citizens!! Some people clearly get it........... Thanks Blue.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 19, 2013 15:03:46 GMT -6
Masked Man, as the first in 5 generations not to serve as a LEO, I do understand what they go through. That being said, given the amount of "rouge" LEOs serving now, one cannot presume they are the good guys any longer.
WAY, WAY too many innocent people being shot down like dogs by those supposedly sworn to serve and protect.
Do a bit of research and you might come away with the same conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 17:51:07 GMT -6
It's too bad peeps don't want to preserve ALL rights, instead of picking & choosing for themselves, instead of for ALL citizens!! Yep, too bad. Welcome to reality...it's peopled with fallible humans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 18:00:07 GMT -6
It's too bad peeps don't want to preserve ALL rights, instead of picking & choosing for themselves, instead of for ALL citizens!! Some people clearly get it........... Thanks Blue. Everybody "gets it"...some of us just don't grind the axe against authority as fast as you do. You're wound pretty tight and immediately defend just about any type of anti-authoritarian stance...even the dorks "on patrol" and armed against coyotes with a semi-auto rifle who decide to **** with LEOs while on a 10 mile day hike with their son for an Eagle badge. Pick your battles. They're NOT all equal in importance.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 19, 2013 18:33:06 GMT -6
Butters, you might want to re-read the postings and ask yourself which one is "wound tight"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 18:41:28 GMT -6
Masked Man, as the first in 5 generations not to serve as a LEO, I do understand what they go through. That being said, given the amount of "rouge" LEOs serving now, one cannot presume they are the good guys any longer. WAY, WAY too many innocent people being shot down like dogs by those supposedly sworn to serve and protect. Do a bit of research and you might come away with the same conclusion. What time period /era here in America had fewer rogue cops than now, in your opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 18:43:05 GMT -6
Butters, you might want to re-read the postings and ask yourself which one is "wound tight" Pick your battles more wisely.
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Post by Blue Star on Aug 19, 2013 18:57:21 GMT -6
It's too bad peeps don't want to preserve ALL rights, instead of picking & choosing for themselves, instead of for ALL citizens!! Some people clearly get it........... Thanks Blue. You're welcome Snipe. The only thing I saw wrong, was the PO should have "Asked" for his FOID FIRST, NOT taking his wallet out, as there was NO need to cuff etc... Of course the man could have offered, but states vary on when it should be shown, esp. when stopped & detaind, while being perfectly legal. ISP or others NEVER take your wallet, they always have you take it OUT & then give it to them. The guy was legal.! The next stop for the Off.'s should have been to educate the caller, as Dog said. Texas is NOT a cc state, it's fully legal TO carry one & he was carrying it, NOT in an aggressive manner either. Sorry MM, there was no reason to submit TO anything other than showing his FOID. Comparing the behaviors as in adult to children ISN'T the same scenerio either. It IS "out of line" to surrender your weapon when perfectly legal, IN Texas. The danger DOES exist when hiking or near the borders, as it's common knowledge to the locals (of Tx., N. Mex., Az. & Nev.) just WHO crosses & exist far into the US! I've hiked all over the SW & know where to hike, who to watch out for & follow the warnings TO stay safe! Which ... brings me to bb, I DO know reality TYVM! Don't bother stepping down from your pedistal, for I really don't care for your senseless meandering, fallibileties, ASSuming etc....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 19:08:19 GMT -6
Some people clearly get it........... Thanks Blue. You're welcome Snipe. The only thing I saw wrong, was the PO should have "Asked" for his FOID FIRST, NOT taking his wallet out, as there was NO need to cuff etc... Of course the man could have offered, but states vary on when it should be shown, esp. when stopped & detaind, while being perfectly legal. ISP or others NEVER take your wallet, they always have you take it OUT & then give it to them. The guy was legal.! The next stop for the Off.'s should have been to educate the caller, as Dog said. Texas is NOT a cc state, it's fully legal TO carry one & he was carrying it, NOT in an aggressive manner either. Sorry MM, there was no reason to submit TO anything other than showing his FOID. Comparing the behaviors as in adult to children ISN'T the same scenerio either. It IS "out of line" to surrender your weapon when perfectly legal, IN Texas. The danger DOES exist when hiking or near the borders, as it's common knowledge to the locals (of Tx., N. Mex., Az. & Nev.) just WHO crosses & exist far into the US! I've hiked all over the SW & know where to hike, who to watch out for & follow the warnings TO stay safe! Which ... brings me to bb, I DO know reality TYVM! Don't bother stepping down from your pedistal, for I really don't care for your senseless meandering, fallibileties, ASSuming etc....
Evidently the police side with my side of the argument.
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Post by northsider on Aug 19, 2013 19:34:37 GMT -6
I really doubt this guy had a FOID card, it happened in Texas not illinois.
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