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Post by dog on Aug 3, 2011 22:32:56 GMT -6
dog is self-employed, by his own admission, and perhaps many of the Union Workers in town and the Retiree's and those on Medicare would take there work to someone else if they knew disdain for their plight. Perhaps no matter how good his product or ability they not go to his store. Lets set the record straight here Greek. When you have unions in Chicago that wont let you run an extension cord at a trade show, and you have to get a union electrician to do that, something is wrong and needs to be fixed. I think unions, by their design, penalize the few exceptional worker and keeps the few mediocre worker employed. When you have people abusing medicaid and medicare, something is wrong and needs to be fixed. Its easy to say if I question certain aspects of government programs that I want to END these programs rather than try to fix them.
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Post by toshiko on Aug 4, 2011 6:25:59 GMT -6
The sad part sniper, Medicare and Medicaid have been abused for years, by ppl all over the country. It is like the overseers turned a blind eye. It is not gonna be fixed overnoc.
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Post by twista on Aug 4, 2011 7:17:43 GMT -6
make suicide legal. no more locking someone up in a mental hospital for trying to kill themselves. people shouldn't have to suffer.
in reality it would cost the taxpayers less if the state forces doctors and the emergency room to search for the root of the problem and treat the root. not keep putting a quick fix (bandaid )on the problem. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is why people on medicaid keep returning to the er. put a bandaid on the problem and that is what happens. they didn't get to the root of the problem that is causing this person to come to the er in the 1st place.
treating the root of the problem will cut down on return visits to the er.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 4, 2011 11:10:10 GMT -6
The sad part sniper, Medicare and Medicaid have been abused for years, by ppl all over the country. It is like the overseers turned a blind eye. It is not gonna be fixed overnoc. So you are good calling us "teabaggers" while giving tact support to faceless poseurs? With an attitude like that, it can never be fixed.
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Post by greekgod on Aug 4, 2011 20:40:12 GMT -6
dog is self-employed, by his own admission, and perhaps many of the Union Workers in town and the Retiree's and those on Medicare would take there work to someone else if they knew disdain for their plight. Perhaps no matter how good his product or ability they not go to his store. Lets set the record straight here Greek. When you have unions in Chicago that wont let you run an extension cord at a trade show, and you have to get a union electrician to do that, something is wrong and needs to be fixed. That can be done in the "bargaining agreement", can't it? [/quote] I think unions, by their design, penalize the few exceptional worker and keeps the few mediocre worker employed. [/quote] So, are you AGAINST UNIONS OR NOT? Now you seem to be hedging. The G"TEA"P are on a mission of UNION BUSTING in Wisconsin and several other States aren't they? You do profess to support the G"TEA"P don't you? [/quote] When you have people abusing medicaid and medicare, something is wrong and needs to be fixed. Its easy to say if I question certain aspects of government programs that I want to END these programs rather than try to fix them. [/quote] dog, do you simply want to end the "fraud and waste" in these programs, which I believe everybody can agree upon, or do you want to "FIX" them in a way you do not care to share, other than support the G"TEA"P? Yep, dog, Streator is a Union town and and many of our citizens of Steator depend on Medicare and Medicaid. Now your post suggest that you might be afraid to offend these possible customers. g
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Post by dog on Aug 4, 2011 21:24:12 GMT -6
Lets set the record straight here Greek. When you have unions in Chicago that wont let you run an extension cord at a trade show, and you have to get a union electrician to do that, something is wrong and needs to be fixed. That can be done in the "bargaining agreement", can't it? I think unions, by their design, penalize the few exceptional worker and keeps the few mediocre worker employed. [/quote] So, are you AGAINST UNIONS OR NOT? Now you seem to be hedging. The G"TEA"P are on a mission of UNION BUSTING in Wisconsin and several other States aren't they? You do profess to support the G"TEA"P don't you? [/quote] When you have people abusing medicaid and medicare, something is wrong and needs to be fixed. Its easy to say if I question certain aspects of government programs that I want to END these programs rather than try to fix them. [/quote] dog, do you simply want to end the "fraud and waste" in these programs, which I believe everybody can agree upon, or do you want to "FIX" them in a way you do not care to share, other than support the G"TEA"P? Yep, dog, Streator is a Union town and and many of our citizens of Steator depend on Medicare and Medicaid. Now your post suggest that you might be afraid to offend these possible customers. g [/quote] I support bits and pieces from evey political persuasion. Some tea party ideas, some republican ideas and some democrat ideas. As for unions, I have no need for them. I treat my workers in a good way that they have no need for a union. The problem I have is when public sector unions protect unsatisfactory workers that are paid with my tax dollars. You always want to put things in an "either or" mode. If I am not a democrat, I must be a republican. If I dont support Obama, then I must like Bush. If I dont like something about a union, I must not like unions. If I think medicaid needs to be reformed, then I must want to end medicaid. It amazes me that you cant understand something as simple as this Greek. If I was worried about losing business based on what I believe about unions, I would join the union and advertise that fact. I can only think of one person I know who is very vocal about being union, and he wont buy a "foreign car"because of his union beliefs, but the "american" car that he bought, has more foreign parts in it than the foreign car. But yet, I do work for him and I am not union, and he knows it.
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Post by dog on Aug 5, 2011 17:00:09 GMT -6
Now, go back and look at those questions I asked of you, they are the same questions I have asked of faceless posters like 4iam, Dancingfool, Northsider, and yes, Greek. For all their conviction of courage, they sure appear to be scared sh!tless of someone finding out who they are. Sniper, Why is a person's identity so important. Your income is not dependent upon the public but the Corporation., so is Tosh's, so is JimmyB's. dog is self-employed, by his own admission, and perhaps many of the Union Workers in town and the Retiree's and those on Medicare would take there work to someone else if they knew disdain for their plight. Perhaps no matter how good his product or ability they not go to his store. Viper has stated that point very well in the past. I have never asked anyone their identity on this forum and when someone offer one to me I was offended and rejected the information. It's totally unimportant to me your identity or that of any other poster. Why is it so important to you? g Its time to call you out 4iam. Like Greek said, I am self-employed. I know he is self-employed. We know Sniper works for a company in a management position and that he was once a business owner himself. We know Jimmyb's experience. We know nothing about you 4iam. Are you currently employed, self-employed, work in a private sector job, public sector job, ever had any job where you controlled policy or finances of a buisness. Surely you can provide us with that type of information without the risk of divulging your identity, cant you? Why should we believe that you are anything more than just a talker?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 5, 2011 17:16:50 GMT -6
Like Greek said, I am self-employed. I know he is self-employed. You KNOW he is self employed, or does he say he is self employed? I have serious doubts.
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Post by dog on Aug 5, 2011 17:18:50 GMT -6
Like Greek said, I am self-employed. I know he is self-employed. You KNOW he is self employed, or does he say he is self employed? I have serious doubts. You know Sniper, he trusts me when I say I am self employed. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and at least believe that much about him.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 5, 2011 17:21:02 GMT -6
Sniper, Your income is not dependent upon the public but the Corporation. Greek, this is why I say you have no business acumen. My paycheck is COMPLETELY dependent upon the public. Not only that, we have 2 other competitors trying every SECOND of the day to knock us off for preferred supplier to that public. When you forget that is the day you start the march to no paycheck from that "Corporation" Given them more than they expected, for less than they expected to pay.................. Or is that "Greek" to you?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 5, 2011 17:22:33 GMT -6
You KNOW he is self employed, or does he say he is self employed? I have serious doubts. You know Sniper, he trusts me when I say I am self employed. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and at least believe that much about him. You are a better man than I Gunga Din........ His rhetoric does not match his resume.
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Post by dog on Aug 5, 2011 17:26:46 GMT -6
You know Sniper, he trusts me when I say I am self employed. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and at least believe that much about him. You are a better man than I Gunga Din........ His rhetoric does not match his resume. I dont think he is serious half the time. I think he says things opposite of what he thinks or does at times just to try to get a rise out of some of us. He is probably more like us than he lets on but enjoys the bantering.
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Post by greekgod on Aug 5, 2011 17:54:37 GMT -6
Sniper, Why is a person's identity so important. Your income is not dependent upon the public but the Corporation., so is Tosh's, so is JimmyB's. dog is self-employed, by his own admission, and perhaps many of the Union Workers in town and the Retiree's and those on Medicare would take there work to someone else if they knew disdain for their plight. Perhaps no matter how good his product or ability they not go to his store. Viper has stated that point very well in the past. I have never asked anyone their identity on this forum and when someone offer one to me I was offended and rejected the information. It's totally unimportant to me your identity or that of any other poster. Why is it so important to you? g Its time to call you out 4iam. Like Greek said, I am self-employed. I know he is self-employed. We know Sniper works for a company in a management position and that he was once a business owner himself. We know Jimmyb's experience. We know nothing about you 4iam. Are you currently employed, self-employed, work in a private sector job, public sector job, ever had any job where you controlled policy or finances of a buisness. Surely you can provide us with that type of information without the risk of divulging your identity, cant you? Why should we believe that you are anything more than just a talker? dog, I do not KNOW JimmyB's experience. Who cares. Why don't you "call out"Butterbean? Oh, that's right no need since he agrees with you ideologically the vast majority of the time. The only thing I know about him is his wife is a Law Professor at NIU, and he enjoys "Prime Rib Dinner's at TAXPAYER EXPENSE, usually around Christmas while many Streatorites may be receiving Christmas Baskets from various caring organizations. He might be on SSI, Medicaid and IDPA who cares? g
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Post by greekgod on Aug 5, 2011 18:18:19 GMT -6
Sniper, Your income is not dependent upon the public but the Corporation. Greek, this is why I say you have no business acumen. My paycheck is COMPLETELY dependent upon the public. Not only that, we have 2 other competitors trying every SECOND of the day to knock us off for preferred supplier to that public. When you forget that is the day you start the march to no paycheck from that "Corporation" Given them more than they expected, for less than they expected to pay.................. Or is that "Greek" to you? Sniper, I do not care if you believe I have any business acumen or not. I have succeeded being self-employed for a few decades. Oh, I know you like to "pretend" you are employed by the private sector, ah Sniper who signs your checks? Right the Corporation! dog and I write our own checks from our businesses to move to our personal account. Who pay you health insurance, provides your retirement benefits, and vacation pay, who sets your hours, , is it the Corporation? dog and I have that responsibility ourselves. Do you write the checks for those you supervise? I didn't think so. dog and I do. Oh, Sniper should you be doing EVERYTHING CORRECTLY and your shop be very profitable could all those working there lose their jobs by decisions of the ''CORPORATION"? So Sniper, tell me again how "your job" is Solely dependent on the public! No Sniper, you are fed by the ''CORPORATION". You question my business acumen. I just do not "fit" your idea of how a "businessman" should believe. g ;D
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Post by dog on Aug 5, 2011 18:18:46 GMT -6
Its time to call you out 4iam. Like Greek said, I am self-employed. I know he is self-employed. We know Sniper works for a company in a management position and that he was once a business owner himself. We know Jimmyb's experience. We know nothing about you 4iam. Are you currently employed, self-employed, work in a private sector job, public sector job, ever had any job where you controlled policy or finances of a buisness. Surely you can provide us with that type of information without the risk of divulging your identity, cant you? Why should we believe that you are anything more than just a talker? dog, I do not KNOW JimmyB's experience. Who cares. Why don't you "call out"Butterbean? Oh, that's right no need since he agrees with you ideologically the vast majority of the time. The only thing I know about him is his wife is a Law Professor at NIU, and he enjoys "Prime Rib Dinner's at TAXPAYER EXPENSE, usually around Christmas while many Streatorites may be receiving Christmas Baskets from various caring organizations. He might be on SSI, Medicaid and IDPA who cares? g It is your perogrotive not to care. I would like to be able compare some of these posters views in relationship to where they fall in the business world. Sorta like the "all hat and no cattle" phrase you throw about. But to make you happy, I will throw those very general questions out to all posters here in the political section. Anyone care to answer those questions that I posed to 4iam?
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